[News] Coronavirus

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WellAdjusted wrote:

There's an op-ed in the NY Times today about vaccine hesitancy that gave a perspective on it I hadn't really considered before, tying it to a reduction in the belief in the common good and healthcare being viewed as something the individual (rather than the state) is ultimately responsible for, which the op-ed links with the reduction in public funding of all sorts that took off in the 80's.

This has been the Republican fallacy/mantra forever. Bootstraps, personal responsibility, I got mine, I’m exceptional and did it all myself. Welfare queens, stealers and takers, Blah blah blah.

Not surprising that these behaviors, and the massive efforts that have been underway since the 70s to blast it into everyone, are having an impact.

It’s not a flaw, it’s a feature.

Actually off topic and not important, nevermind.

10 points for creativity. Also 10 points for stupidity.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...

So now that ivermectin has faded from the new and revolutionary miracle cure, guess what comes next?
1. Black Goo or Magic Dirt (at $200 per sandwich baggie no less)
2. Nebulizing Hydrogen Peroxide

Good gawd this report from South Africa is overwhelmingly positive: https://www.samrc.ac.za/news/tshwane...

I could quote half the damn thing, but the biggest takeaway is that oxygen is rarely required in the covid ward. It's more rare than in the past.

Also, for those waiting on vax vs unvaxx you are indeed seeing pretty much everyone with Covid pneumonia is unvaxxed.

Things are still looks really really really good that Omicron is out way out of this morass.

Except for long COVID, strokes/clots, lung/heart scarring and things like COVID mind fog...

Sigh. Another month, another set of studies showing that natural immunity is *not* as good as vaccination. And, conversely, people who get COVID and then get vaxxed are better protected and less likely to spread it.

This really has become a political dogma rather than a rational response.

Johns Hopkins wrote:

Vaccines add protection.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) released a report on Oct. 29, 2021, that says getting vaccinated for the coronavirus when you’ve already had COVID-19 significantly enhances your immune protection and further reduces your risk of reinfection.
A study published in August 2021 indicates that if you had COVID-19 before and are not vaccinated, your risk of getting re-infected is more than two times higher than for those who got vaccinated after having COVID-19.
Another study published on Nov. 5, 2021, by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) looked at adults hospitalized for COVID-like sickness between January and September 2021. This study found that the chances of these adults testing positive for COVID-19 were 5.49 times higher in unvaccinated people who had COVID-19 in the past than they were for those who had been vaccinated for COVID and had not had an infection before.
A study from the CDC in September 2021 showed that roughly one-third of those with COVID-19 cases in the study had no apparent natural immunity.

fangblackbone wrote:

Except for long COVID, strokes/clots, lung/heart scarring and things like COVID mind fog...

Which doesn't appear to be happening at the rate it used to be.

Heck, even Fauci is saying early reports are good, but they're early reports.

Dr. Fauci wrote:

“Thus far, it does not look like there’s a great degree of severity to it,” Fauci said. “But we have really got to be careful before we make any determinations that it is less severe or it really doesn’t cause any severe illness, comparable to delta.”

Emphasis mine.

garion333 wrote:

Good gawd this report from South Africa is overwhelmingly positive:

I want to be an optimist, but so far everything I have heard from South Africa can be boiled down to this part of the report:

The relatively low number of COVID-19 pneumonia hospitalizations in the general, high care and ICU wards constitutes a very different picture compared to the beginning of previous waves. A detailed analysis comparing the current picture with previous waves is still being conducted. This may very well be related to the early upswing of the fourth wave, with the more classical pattern becoming evident over the next two weeks. What is clear though is that the age profile is different from previous waves. It may be that this is a vaccination effect as 57 % of people over the age of 50 have been vaccinated in the province compared to 34% in the 18-to-49-year group.

Symptoms might simply be milder because it is hitting younger people. That is still a relatively good thing, since it would indicate the vaccine is still working. But not positive in the sense that it means Omicron is weaker. Hopefully it is, but yeah, more data.

Oh, there's wrinkles upon wrinkles, for sure.

Keep in mind they're testing everyone that comes into the hospitals for Covid, so some of the young people numbers are because they're coming in for other reasons and happen to test positive.

I believe that article I linked said 30-39 is an outsized portion of the sick for Covid at the hospital, but only when compared to past waves. And that points almost entirely to unvax status.

So, yeah, lots of work to be done, but it's clear that it's not the same disease as Delta when you look at the ones who are truly ill from Covid.

I sure do hope people don't take is potentially lower severity as a sign that it's not as important to get vaccinated against it, giving it a greater chance to mutate again into something more severe.

Oh, they will, but if it is less severe it also has less chance to mutate in folks because it's cleared sooner.

I mean, the likely reason we have a variant of an older version of Covid instead of Delta is because they believe it was an HIV individual who had long covid who mutated into Omicron. (Or it was in animal populations.) South Africa has the highest rate of HIV positive in the world, so it makes some sense.

Not that it matters where it came from, just that it's here.

If the adoption of the flu vaccine is any indication, if COVID starts to become a mild infection instead of a deadly disease, I am certain the number of people who get the annual shot will diminish.

100% agree, though I'd argue we probably have higher adoption of the Covid vaccine than we've ever had for the flu vaccine.

I think the issue here is that taking a sliver of good news about something and projecting that the future looks bright is probably not the best path to take ESPECIALLY if we look how many times this exact same thing has happened a dozen times since covid started.

karmajay wrote:

I think the issue here is that taking a sliver of good news about something and projecting that the future looks bright is probably not the best path to take ESPECIALLY if we look how many times this exact same thing has happened a dozen times since covid started.

I'm sorry but have you met our news cycle? Answers now, be damned the consequences!

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Omicron will mutate again, guaranteed.

I don't see how it could not. That is how life works. Almost a natural selection process...an evolution.

That's the worry. Mild symptoms with fast spread, people let their guard down, that means many more bodies to change in.

Its how you win in Plague Inc.

polypusher wrote:

Its how you win in Plague Inc.

Plague Inc. needs an update to account for anti-vaxxers and the freedumb crowd.

Even after a cure is found, many still die. I wonder if it does calculate that, or if it is just calculating the time to get the cure to the people. They should add a chance to mutate to evade the cure due to people not taking the cure. Though that could make it too easy for the player.

garion333 wrote:
fangblackbone wrote:

Except for long COVID, strokes/clots, lung/heart scarring and things like COVID mind fog...

Which doesn't appear to be happening at the rate it used to be.

Heck, even Fauci is saying early reports are good, but they're early reports.

As someone who has been severely impacted by long COVID I applaud your cavalier attitude to people getting Covid.

Omicron is spreading like wildfire (article is a day old, went up another 50% today) where I live. After just a few days it has put pressure on our local eldercare, due to too many employees either being sick or close contacts. So I guess we will know in a week or two, how hard it hits an elderly population
At least my own test turned out negative today, so I get to roll the dice on work tomorrow again. Sure looking forward to the holidays right now. Maybe that will slow it down a bit.

Good luck Shadout. Stay safe as much as possible.

TheGameguru wrote:
garion333 wrote:
fangblackbone wrote:

Except for long COVID, strokes/clots, lung/heart scarring and things like COVID mind fog...

Which doesn't appear to be happening at the rate it used to be.

Heck, even Fauci is saying early reports are good, but they're early reports.

As someone who has been severely impacted by long COVID I applaud your cavalier attitude to people getting Covid.

Sorry to hear that, Guru. I wish you the best in your recovery. My cousin is a hair dresser and suffering from long Covid after two ER visits. My buddy in NY hasn't smelled or tasted anything in a couple of months. It's a dumb virus with dumb lingering effects and it sucks. I apologize for minimizing that in any way.

OG_slinger wrote:
polypusher wrote:

Its how you win in Plague Inc.

Plague Inc. needs an update to account for anti-vaxxers and the freedumb crowd.

no one wants to play a game you can't win.

Speaking of unwinnable games, it strikes me that the wargames quote is probably the worst possible strategy to overcoming a pandemic involving humans.

Not really any new news here, but figured some folks like hearing directly from a South African doc spearheading things.

Choice bit is that she said unvaxxed individuals are having the same symptoms as vaxxed, but with greater severity. Bad headache, bad muscle aches (like flu/cold) and very tired. Still very little cough happening.