[News] Coronavirus

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Mixolyde wrote:
Keldar wrote:
fangblackbone wrote:

Practically everyone majorly wrong with this country is a sick game played by adults acting like infantiles. "I don't wanna." "I know you are but what am I?" "You can't make me!" "Ooh busted!" "I'm taking the ball and going home." "You think you're so smart." "You've got cooties." "You're not one of us."

Did I miss any?

"It doesn't say in the rules that we can't." (or in the Constitution)

Air Bud, but for assholes.

I was picturing this when I read it:
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Bruce wrote:

I'm not aware of any doctrines being changed in the last 8 years with any of the major Christian denominations, so it seems like they are talking out of their ass when they claim religious exemption on this one.

Maybe they’re in a faith healing Christian denomination that’s against vaccines but somehow totally fine with a liver transplant.

Bruce wrote:

Which religion is against vaccination?

https://www.vumc.org/health-wellness...

This was published in 2013 back when it was vaccination causing autism that needed to pushed back against.

I'm not aware of any doctrines being changed in the last 8 years with any of the major Christian denominations, so it seems like they are talking out of their ass when they claim religious exemption on this one.

My money is on the same religious denominations that overwhelmingly vote Republican.

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And just like Two Corinthians says, you can bet your ass it has absolutely nothing to do with changing beliefs and doctrines.

Seth wrote:

CNBC isn’t usually knows for their hot takes, but: r/HermanCainAward is saving lives by scaring antivaxxers with facts.

The headline says “fence-sitters” but what they really mean is “some fence-sitters” Besides, most MAGA hats think sitting on the fence will give you COVID.

Bruce wrote:

Which religion is against vaccination?

https://www.vumc.org/health-wellness...

This was published in 2013 back when it was vaccination causing autism that needed to pushed back against.

MAGA is a religion, innit?

Colin Powell dies of Covid.

I was just coming to see if someone posted that.
I really hope this is a kick in the pants for more POC to get vaccinated.

Paleocon wrote:

Colin Powell dies of Covid.

Link to CNN

And this may sound horrible but how come only black republicans die of it? The rest all seem to get the trump cocktail and survive.

I'd call him a former republican. He was vaccinated, too.

A former Republican who lost his career and eventually his life because of two Republican fiascos.

JLS wrote:

I'd call him a former republican. He was vaccinated, too.

Looking forward to the experts saying that we shouldn't get vaccinated because CP was and died anyway

UpToIsomorphism wrote:
JLS wrote:

I'd call him a former republican. He was vaccinated, too.

Looking forward to the experts saying that we shouldn't get vaccinated because CP was and died anyway

My first thought as well.

I think the only thing it proves is that while the vaccines offer significant protection, stay away from gatherings in general and avoid Republicans like the plague. Instead of the China Virus, this should be named the Republican Plague. Or perhaps we call it "RAP" Republican Authoritarian Plague.

I do love the huffpost headline

STATESMAN, TRAILBLAZER, SELLER OF A BLOODY LIE — COLIN POWELL DEAD

I remember very clearly listening to his testimony about Iraq and their yellow cake uranium, mobile trains etc. Maybe he was lied to was duped maybe he knew it was a load of BS. Either way he put his credibility behind a fabrication that cost billions.

It should also be noted that he was suffering from blood cancer, and was immunocompromized.

fangblackbone wrote:

I really hope this is a kick in the pants for more POC to get vaccinated.

Your comment reminded me that I forgot to post Kaiser Family Foundation's September update to their COVID vaccine monitor for the reading pleasure of one of this thread's lurkers.

KFF COVID Vaccine Monitor--September 2021 wrote:

As the U.S. continues to grapple with the “third wave” of the COVID-19 pandemic, the latest KFF COVID-19 Vaccine Monitor finds that more than seven in ten U.S. adults (72%) now report being at least partially vaccinated, with the surge in cases, hospitalizations, and deaths due to the Delta variant being the main motivator for the recently vaccinated and other factors like full FDA approval of the Pfizer vaccine and an increase in vaccine mandates playing a more minor role. The largest increases in vaccine uptake between July and September were among Hispanic adults and those ages 18-29, and similar shares of adults now report being vaccinated across racial and ethnic groups (71% of White adults, 70% of Black adults, and 73% of Hispanic adults). Large gaps in vaccine uptake remain by partisanship, education level, age, and health insurance status.

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The largest increases in self-reported COVID-19 vaccination rates between July and September were among younger adults (up 11 percentage points among 18-29 year-olds) and Hispanic adults (up 12 percentage points). The largest remaining gap in vaccination rates is by partisanship, with 90% of Democrats saying they have gotten at least one dose compared to 68% of independents and 58% of Republicans. In addition, large differences in self-reported vaccination rates remain between older and younger adults, between those with and without college degrees, and between those with higher and lower incomes, while rural adults continue to lag behind those living in urban and suburban areas. Non-elderly adults without health insurance also continue to report one of the lowest COVID-19 vaccination rates of any group (54%).

Similar shares of Hispanic (73%), Black (70%), and White (71%) adults now report having received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, a change from earlier in the vaccination effort when Black and Hispanic adults were much less likely to report being vaccinated than White adults, and reflecting other data showing that people of color make up a disproportionate share of recent vaccinations. KFF’s analysis of state data on vaccination rates by race and ethnicity suggests that, when looking at people of all ages (including children who are not yet eligible to be vaccinated), White people continue to be vaccinated at higher rates than either Black or Hispanic people, although those gaps have narrowed over time.

Rat Boy wrote:

A former Republican who lost his career and eventually his life because of two Republican fiascos.

The death of a former Republican who killed hundreds of thousands of people by backing a lie is now going to be used to back another Republican lie that will cause even more deaths.

mudbunny wrote:

It should also be noted that he was suffering from blood cancer, and was immunocompromized.

Yes. Multiple Myeloma. My dad died of it at 63. Incurable.

mudbunny wrote:

It should also be noted that he was suffering from blood cancer, and was immunocompromized.

Should, but never mentioned in every mainstream media outlet headline in the US. They only mention that he was fully vaccinated.

Rat Boy wrote:
mudbunny wrote:

It should also be noted that he was suffering from blood cancer, and was immunocompromized.

Should, but never mentioned in every mainstream media outlet headline in the US. They only mention that he was fully vaccinated.

That's because they all only care about views.

OG_slinger wrote:
fangblackbone wrote:

I really hope this is a kick in the pants for more POC to get vaccinated.

Your comment reminded me that I forgot to post Kaiser Family Foundation's September update to their COVID vaccine monitor for the reading pleasure of one of this thread's lurkers.

KFF COVID Vaccine Monitor--September 2021 wrote:

As the U.S. continues to grapple with the “third wave” of the COVID-19 pandemic, the latest KFF COVID-19 Vaccine Monitor finds that more than seven in ten U.S. adults (72%) now report being at least partially vaccinated, with the surge in cases, hospitalizations, and deaths due to the Delta variant being the main motivator for the recently vaccinated and other factors like full FDA approval of the Pfizer vaccine and an increase in vaccine mandates playing a more minor role. The largest increases in vaccine uptake between July and September were among Hispanic adults and those ages 18-29, and similar shares of adults now report being vaccinated across racial and ethnic groups (71% of White adults, 70% of Black adults, and 73% of Hispanic adults). Large gaps in vaccine uptake remain by partisanship, education level, age, and health insurance status.

...

The largest increases in self-reported COVID-19 vaccination rates between July and September were among younger adults (up 11 percentage points among 18-29 year-olds) and Hispanic adults (up 12 percentage points). The largest remaining gap in vaccination rates is by partisanship, with 90% of Democrats saying they have gotten at least one dose compared to 68% of independents and 58% of Republicans. In addition, large differences in self-reported vaccination rates remain between older and younger adults, between those with and without college degrees, and between those with higher and lower incomes, while rural adults continue to lag behind those living in urban and suburban areas. Non-elderly adults without health insurance also continue to report one of the lowest COVID-19 vaccination rates of any group (54%).

Similar shares of Hispanic (73%), Black (70%), and White (71%) adults now report having received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, a change from earlier in the vaccination effort when Black and Hispanic adults were much less likely to report being vaccinated than White adults, and reflecting other data showing that people of color make up a disproportionate share of recent vaccinations. KFF’s analysis of state data on vaccination rates by race and ethnicity suggests that, when looking at people of all ages (including children who are not yet eligible to be vaccinated), White people continue to be vaccinated at higher rates than either Black or Hispanic people, although those gaps have narrowed over time.

Lurker wasn't wrong about some things, but the fuzzy math said lurker used of "70% urban vaxxed = 10 million unvaxxed while 40% rural vaxxed = 10 people unvaxxed" never quite added up to me.

farley3k wrote:

I do love the huffpost headline

STATESMAN, TRAILBLAZER, SELLER OF A BLOODY LIE — COLIN POWELL DEAD

I remember very clearly listening to his testimony about Iraq and their yellow cake uranium, mobile trains etc. Maybe he was lied to was duped maybe he knew it was a load of BS. Either way he put his credibility behind a fabrication that cost billions.

When Powell comes up it is shocking to me how rarely anyone mentions that he was key in the early cover up/whitewashing of the My Lai massacre.

wikipedia wrote:

Powell was charged with investigating a detailed letter by 11th Light Infantry Brigade soldier Tom Glen, which backed up rumored allegations of the My Lai Massacre. He wrote: "In direct refutation of this portrayal is the fact that relations between American soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent."

As I see it, leading the charge into Iraq with deadly lies shouldn't be seen as an aberration, but rather as exactly the type enabling of deadly crimes against humanity that his career was built on from the get go. I don't believe for a second that he would have been able to make a career for himself in the military at all, much less rise to the level that he did if he had done an honest and diligent job with that investigation and exposed the war crimes at My Lai. His motives are understandable, but the behavior is inexcusable.

He knew to lie and enable the powerful regardless of the ethics from the get go, and no one who looked into his past should have trusted him on Iraq in the first place.

On the subject of religions opposed to vaccination, there are none officially. However I did finally get to the bottom of where some of this misinformation and religion ties together. My source is a very close (and vaccinated!) friend who runs Catholic outreach programs at Canadian post secondary institutions. He was mentioning one of his team members wasn’t vaccinated and a lot of the reason some Catholics and Christians in general are vaccine hesitant is due to the misconception that vaccines are made with stem cells. For the highly religious, anti-abortionists this would absolutely make any vaccine intolerable.

Interestingly, and something I didn’t know, (but also only did a quick 10 minute google on it so not an expert), the J&J shot was made using fetal retinal cells. https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-ingredients/fetal-tissues

The issue there is that they always pick and choose which drugs to apply that standard to. If they won't take any covid vaccine because it was developed using fetal cell lines, they also need to give up Tylenol, Pepto Bismol, aspirin, Tums, Lipitor, Senokot, Motrin, ibuprofen, Maalox, Ex-Lax, Benadryl, Sudafed, albuterol, Preparation H, MMR vaccine, Claritin, Zoloft, Prilosec OTC, and azithromycin, because they all were too.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021...

Jehovah Witness is against all doctors and medicine… I think.

Yeah, but they are against so many other things, it’s kind of just along for the crazy ride… I know they hate blood transfusions…

And this is an example of a horrible headline

Colin Powell was vaccinated, but still died from COVID complications. How rare is that?

Why not "Colin Powell may have also had multiple myeloma, according to media reports, which is a type of blood cancer that affects the body’s immune system. How common is it for people with that to die?"

When was he even vaccinated? Isnt it proven beyond any doubt now, that the vaccines only stays highly efficient for about 6 months among elderly people with weakened immune systems. Hence the booster shot.

Meanwhile CNN keeps doing a stelar job

How Powell's cancer could have impacted his Covid vaccine

This needs to be the discussion Not that he was vaccinated and still died.

farley3k wrote:

Why not "Colin Powell may have also had multiple myeloma, according to media reports, which is a type of blood cancer that affects the body’s immune system. How common is it for people with that to die?"

Maybe "Powell was one of the vulnerable people that needed the protection of herd immunity, which is why 'your choice' isn't just about you, Karen, you half-wit."

farley3k wrote:

Meanwhile CNN keeps doing a stelar job

How Powell's cancer could have impacted his Covid vaccine

This needs to be the discussion Not that he was vaccinated and still died.

"could"?

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This pandemic is showing exactly why humans are terrible. Many people are going about their lives thinking 80%+ vaccination rates will bring a return to normalcy. Perhaps for them!

But those that vaccines cannot truly protect, whether seniors, surgery patients, those with pre-existing vulnerabilities or simply the young presently ineligible for a vaccine (even those who abstain from vaccinating) - we should still be taking all reasonable efforts to limit transmission. Whether that is from ongoing testing, wearing masks (increasingly dispensed with as it is deeply unpopular and elections are around the corner), or limiting our gatherings and movements.

The problem with statistics on COVID deaths is that cases like Colin Powell are not accurately reported by media. I know everyone here understands the immunocompromised position and limits of vaccines but some people will extrapolate that case as evidence the vaccines do not work. It just frustrates me.

I can only imagine what it's like in other countries which weren't fortunate or wealthy enough to have adequate vaccine supplies (or citizens willing to take them).