[News] Coronavirus

A place to discuss the now-global coronavirus outbreak.

PoderOmega wrote:

My mother in law is not from the US and a "successful businessman" means blessed by the almighty to her. Plus all the Facebook garbage. And apparently saying you are pro-life goes a long way.

Successful businessmen don't file for bankruptcy SIX TIMES!

Prederick wrote:

It is amazing to see people trying to "These colors don't run" through a pandemic.

Like, a virus doesn't care if you're not scared of it. It doesn't care if you are scared of it. It's a virus, it'll do virus things, unless you take proper precautions.

MFers (not you obviously), "colors don't run" in this case means smartly working to slow and stop the pandemic, not just giving up!!

No, no, we've gotta punch it.

Well now, this is disconcerting news if true.

The son of a friend of my mother-in-law has just come down with Covid. He's in his 30s and very sick. In ICU. Not sure of on life support or not.

Here's the concern. Supposedly, he had Covid a few months ago (no idea how long) and had a mild reaction. This time the reaction is very severe and one of the new strains.

Don't know anything more about this (only heard an hour ago) and details are a bit sparse. I'm sure that if true, the news will come out with more detail.

I'll share any more non-identifying information as I hear it.

Supposedly, he had Covid a few months ago (no idea how long) and had a mild reaction

Did they actually have a positive test? To many people say "Yeah I probably had it so and so month" when really they were just sick with something else. To me, if a person was sick and did not have a positive test then they did not have covid unless they have taken an antibody test down the road and that was positive.

karmajay wrote:
Supposedly, he had Covid a few months ago (no idea how long) and had a mild reaction

Did they actually have a positive test? To many people say "Yeah I probably had it so and so month" when really they were just sick with something else. To me, if a person was sick and did not have a positive test then they did not have covid unless they have taken an antibody test down the road and that was positive.

Honestly, don't know. I'll update as I hear more.

I hope you're right...

Moggy wrote:

Well now, this is disconcerting news if true.

The son of a friend of my mother-in-law has just come down with Covid. He's in his 30s and very sick. In ICU. Not sure of on life support or not.

Here's the concern. Supposedly, he had Covid a few months ago (no idea how long) and had a mild reaction. This time the reaction is very severe and one of the new strains.

Don't know anything more about this (only heard an hour ago) and details are a bit sparse. I'm sure that if true, the news will come out with more detail.

I'll share any more non-identifying information as I hear it.

The last thing I heard is that the new British variant is both more infectious and about 30% more dangerous, in that if ten people died before, about 13 will die now.

There's another American variant out that has even more changes than the British one, and those changes are concentrated in the spike protein. We don't know much about it, yet, but since that new variant is outcompeting the original COVID, chances are nearly certain that it's more infectious. Whether that also translates to increased mortality, or evading immune responses of regular COVID sufferers, I don't think anyone knows yet. My guess would be "yes" to the first (if it can spread better, it can probably spread internally better, too, so it can make you sicker), and "maybe" to the second. It doesn't seem like evading existing immune responses would yet be a strong selective pressure, although that will change over the next few months.

Moggy wrote:

Well now, this is disconcerting news if true.

The son of a friend of my mother-in-law has just come down with Covid. He's in his 30s and very sick. In ICU. Not sure of on life support or not.

Here's the concern. Supposedly, he had Covid a few months ago (no idea how long) and had a mild reaction. This time the reaction is very severe and one of the new strains.

Don't know anything more about this (only heard an hour ago) and details are a bit sparse. I'm sure that if true, the news will come out with more detail.

I'll share any more non-identifying information as I hear it.

...and here’s the deal. The anti-science Fox News trough eaters will claim it’s no big deal; however, if this is like the flu (and it is like the flu), then we’ll be facing this for a long time now because viruses Are highly mutable. But [email protected] it, Hannity and Carlson, our modern doomsday prophets have said it’s no big deal while reading off a teleprompter.

Yet another thing to thank Trump for, because the fewer cases there are, the fewer mutations can happen.

It sounds like there have been a fair amount of second cases so far. Also long before the current mutations.
The explanation I have heard is that if you had a very mild first round, or if you happened to roll 1 on a 1 million sided die... your immune system might never have gotten around to creating much of a response, leaving you open to a second infection later.
Feels like it just shows that nothing is 100% when it comes to biology. If/when a mutation happens which would not be stopped by a proper immune response from a previous infection or vaccine, presumably we would see a ton of cases of people who had covid before, and not just these somewhat rare ones.

Malor wrote:

The last thing I heard is that the new British variant is both more infectious and about 30% more dangerous, in that if ten people died before, about 13 will die now.

While the new British variant is most definitely easier to spread and infect, there is still quite a lot of debate over whether or not it’s actually more deadly. There are a lot of scientists in the UK right now saying that the Government jumped the gun a little on that, but did so to try and get people to respect the lockdown we’re currently in. Lockdown fatigue is definitely now a factor in the UK - a lot of people are so thoroughly fed up they are really not good at following the rules any more and given how much more infectious the ‘UK strain’ is, the NHS right now is pretty much overwhelmed.

I’ll absolutely say the baseline numbers don’t look good but really they more to be sure. We’ve got a good monitoring system here in the UK so we’re picking up new strains well, it’s one of the few things we’ve got right in all of this.

Oh great, Trump wasn't wrong. Covid is going away! The original version is being replaced with more infectious/deadly versions. Which is clearly the fault of Joe Biden and the Democrats. [/s]

Have we started to see an uptick in cases attributed to Christmas and New Years? We're right in that window now. and I assume the insurrection uptick is around the corner next.

In other news of the "you should have done this much earlier" variety because sports aren't as important as lives...

The University of Michigan will pause all sports programs after a more transmissible variant of the Covid-19 virus was detected in several individuals linked to the Michigan Athletic Department.

In my area people have just stopped getting tested. Getting confirmed positive forces those around you to quarantine and why would you be a dick about it?

Also my spouses family is quarantining because someone sent their kids back to school while waiting for test results.

At least 5 positive cases from that decision so far.

Fun.

Where I live 6000 people made appointments at a single clinic that actually only had access to about 300 doses. At least their hearts were in the right place...

My state (MA) is reducing some restrictions this week, at the same time my local HS and one of the elementary schools are closed for a week due to large numbers of kids in some level of quarantine and a general jump in cases. The restrictions were just closing-time limits, so maybe not a big deal one way or another.

What bugs me a bit is that the cases by age are now really tilted towards younger people; 29k cases for ages 0-29, while only 14k among ages 60+. I read that as spread because of schools and people being foolish and that's worrisome.

Young people are always to "blame"

We expected cases to go up after Christmas, but instead cases are down by 75% over the last month. I bet a significant reason has been closed schools in the same period. Well, closing down restaurants, bars etc. again might also have helped... somewhat. But young people were a large part of that too.
UK mutation is "slowly" growing though, so the situation is likely to turn around again.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...

“This period is going to be a bit like a tsunami, in the way you stand on the beach and then suddenly you can see all the water retracts,” as cases drop, Krause said. “Afterward, you will have the tsunami coming in and overwhelming you.”

Fun times all around.

Successful businessmen don't file for bankruptcy SIX TIMES!

Or bankrupt casinos...

If you listened to Fauci, there are mutations based in South Africa and Brazil that apparently so far have not made it to the US. Hopefully being a part of the WHO again will prevent us from being further in the dark.

And I had been thinking that while limiting the infections would not have prevent mutations, it certainly would have mutated over a longer schedule, giving us more time to adapt and develop better therapeutics in addition to vaccines. But no, that would prevent bushy hair on our thumping paper tiger chests...

Moggy wrote:

Well now, this is disconcerting news if true.

The son of a friend of my mother-in-law has just come down with Covid. He's in his 30s and very sick. In ICU. Not sure of on life support or not.

Here's the concern. Supposedly, he had Covid a few months ago (no idea how long) and had a mild reaction. This time the reaction is very severe and one of the new strains.

Don't know anything more about this (only heard an hour ago) and details are a bit sparse. I'm sure that if true, the news will come out with more detail.

I'll share any more non-identifying information as I hear it.

Sad news. The guy has died. Covid related heart failure. He (and his entire family, including 2 kids) all caught Covid late last summer. They all had tests that came back positive.

At this point, I do not know if any of his family have caught it a second time.

That was in an article posted a few pages ago. That 1/3 of all who survive COVID are back in the hospital within 5 months. I don't recall the percentage of those that die but it is much more than zero

It has led many to speculate that there are 1,000s more COVID deaths that aren't counted because they are outside the 60(?) day limit to label a death COVID related.

Sorry to hear that Moggy. Condolences.

I was talking with a friend last night about how pandemic fatigue has just warped our brains. Because it is objectively worse right now than it was in, say, March/April of last year (nationally, at least) and yet, I think that beyond the basic choices, most of the nation is just "over" it.

Meanwhile, in Brazil

Manaus made international headlines in April after a torrent of Covid deaths forced authorities to carve mass graves out of the city’s rust-red earth. Nine months – and more than 210,000 Brazilian deaths – later, the situation is even worse.

Some days about 200 bodies are being interred in Manaus, compared with the usual 40. Last week many hospitals ran out of the oxygen sustaining Covid patients, apparently because of a catastrophic government failure to foresee the magnitude of the impending disaster.

“Nothing like this as ever happened – not even last year. I never imagined there would be a wave of reinfections as big as the one we’re now seeing in Manaus,” said Lacerda, one of the region’s top infectologists, blaming a variant “that appears to be more contagious”.

Lacerda said he had hoped the scale of last year’s epidemic might have provided the riverside city some immunological protection from such a shattering second wave. “But the truth is there’s just no way. The fall-off in people’s immunity and the changes in the virus mean this second wave is uncontrollable.”

Distressing stories of suffocating patients and the evacuation of premature babies have generated a public revolt against Amazonas’s leaders who critics accuse of failing to plan for, let alone prevent its second cataclysm in a year.

“There’s an atmosphere of disgust, abandonment, despair and impunity,” said one staff member at the Alvorada health clinic in Manaus, where medics were filmed pleading for divine intervention. “What we’re watching is a complete massacre, a desperate situation, a horror film,” added the worker, who asked not to be named.

fangblackbone wrote:

That was in an article posted a few pages ago. That 1/3 of all who survive COVID are back in the hospital within 5 months.

If I remember correctly, an important piece of that article is that it is people that were admitted to the hospital and then discharged for COVID that end up back there. It's not 1/3 of all people that contract it.

fangblackbone wrote:

That was in an article posted a few pages ago. That 1/3 of all who survive COVID are back in the hospital within 5 months. I don't recall the percentage of those that die but it is much more than zero

It has led many to speculate that there are 1,000s more COVID deaths that aren't counted because they are outside the 60(?) day limit to label a death COVID related.

Farley posted it a few pages back.
It was 29.4% of people with a severe case of COVID that required hospitalization that had to go back within 5 months. 12% of the people who required hospitalization (not those readmitted within 5 months) died. The cutoff point for recording COVID deaths is 28 days. The numbers for people who only had mild initial cases are much much better, but even 1/3rd of them have some form of "long COVID".

Sorbicol wrote:
Malor wrote:

The last thing I heard is that the new British variant is both more infectious and about 30% more dangerous, in that if ten people died before, about 13 will die now.

While the new British variant is most definitely easier to spread and infect, there is still quite a lot of debate over whether or not it’s actually more deadly. There are a lot of scientists in the UK right now saying that the Government jumped the gun a little on that, but did so to try and get people to respect the lockdown we’re currently in. Lockdown fatigue is definitely now a factor in the UK - a lot of people are so thoroughly fed up they are really not good at following the rules any more and given how much more infectious the ‘UK strain’ is, the NHS right now is pretty much overwhelmed.

I think it was Fauci that said it in his first press conference under President Biden, that the new strain of the virus itself is not more lethal. Your chances of death do not appear to be worse with this strain. But it is effectively more deadly because it spreads faster, which means more people will get it and so more people will die from it. Public health measures are the only way to prevent this from happening until the vaccine has reached everyone.

kazar wrote:
Sorbicol wrote:
Malor wrote:

The last thing I heard is that the new British variant is both more infectious and about 30% more dangerous, in that if ten people died before, about 13 will die now.

While the new British variant is most definitely easier to spread and infect, there is still quite a lot of debate over whether or not it’s actually more deadly. There are a lot of scientists in the UK right now saying that the Government jumped the gun a little on that, but did so to try and get people to respect the lockdown we’re currently in. Lockdown fatigue is definitely now a factor in the UK - a lot of people are so thoroughly fed up they are really not good at following the rules any more and given how much more infectious the ‘UK strain’ is, the NHS right now is pretty much overwhelmed.

I think it was Fauci that said it in his first press conference under President Biden, that the new strain of the virus itself is not more lethal. Your chances of death do not appear to be worse with this strain. But it is effectively more deadly because it spreads faster, which means more people will get it and so more people will die from it. Public health measures are the only way to prevent this from happening until the vaccine has reached everyone.

The country with the most experience with the variant so far disagrees.

DSGamer wrote:

The country with the most experience with the variant so far disagrees.

It has been a few days since he said it and I just saw an interview where he retracted that comment, saying that there is evidence that is still being looked at that indicates the increased lethality. He did say it was only to a specific age group but he didn't expand on it.

Dammit, diseases are not supposed to have breaking news.

Malor wrote:

Dammit, diseases are not supposed to have breaking news.

How about outbreaking news?

Ouch.

Take the damn Like, but I'm not happy about it.

I appreciate what Fauci does he often will refute anything unless he is up to speed on the research at that moment. I think he needs a I need to research the issue further response or something. I am glad he will admit when what he read has changed but this and his mask comments a year ago seem like they could be done better. This is total trash panda arm chair quarter backing of the pandemic response that understands the political climate and that he is a doctor not a PR person.

As an aside, for those looking to get vaccinated; after I was (both doses), they hit me really hard the next day. If you get side effects after the first dose, then expect an extra helping after the second. The first dose made me lethargic and tired- like I slept for almost 20 hours and had zero energy. The second dose gave me a low grade fever, joint aches, and serious lethargy to the point I could’ve fallen asleep on a bed of nails and convinced myself it were comfortable enough not to roll off of it.

Just an FYI for planning a possible sick day after a vaccination. Stay safe out there y’all. My family is now getting hammered with it, as two of my great aunts/uncles just passed from it, which makes me so happy that I’ve managed to convince my Fox News loving parents to take it seriously considering my grandmother since they’re the primary caregivers.