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Soooooo now that Democrats have control of the executive and legislative branches, how quickly y'all think we'll get those $2k checks back on the table?

Chairman_Mao wrote:

Soooooo now that Democrats have control of the executive and legislative branches, how quickly y'all think we'll get those $2k checks back on the table?

Not immediate as Mauchin wants vaccine stuff first I think. Then he seemed to be on board.

Why not both?

We should put together a big list of things the Democrats should finally do, but somehow will find a way to screw up.

But I am only going to live so long.

Mixolyde wrote:

We should put together a big list of things the Democrats should finally do, but somehow will find a way to screw up.

I really want them to put into laws the things we used to consider norms. Rs have shown they don’t have respect for normal behavior so everything must be explicitly defined.
Kind of reminds me of then I was a teenager. I had no curfew but then I stayed out till 1 or 2 one night and then a curfew was laid down.
No more filibuster, no more delaying judicial appointments, etc.

farley3k wrote:
Mixolyde wrote:

We should put together a big list of things the Democrats should finally do, but somehow will find a way to screw up.

Rs have shown they don’t have respect for normal behavior so everything must be explicitly defined. No more filibuster, no more delaying judicial appointments, etc.

Democrats don't have the required # of votes to accomplish that and Republicans aren't going to support it.

We're right back where we started. My hope is that we can limp along without destroying ourselves until 2022. At that point, Democrats gain more seats to actually make some changes, and the angry mob of racist seditionists doesn't destroy it all because they lost, again.

I fear we're going to be walking this knife edge for a very long time.

Democrats should use the Coronavirus to make it so that any return to power by Republicans comes with consequences.

Use the Coronavirus as a cover for a UBI/B.I.G..

Get it through using huge hikes to the estate tax and rolling back the Trump tax cuts to get it under the spending limit of the bills they're allowed to pass that are fillibuster proof (Byrd rule I think?)

and if they have trouble getting centrist democrats on board, have the 'coronavirus stimulus' expire right after the next presidential election if they can, midterms if they must, and let the estate taxes kick in then, too. If democrats still control government? great--extend them. If republicans take (edit) any part of the government? Oh look, rich people get taxed and republicans took your monthly check away.

campaign on it every cycle--if the Republicans win, no more checks.

The sad thing is that repealing the Trump taxes just gets us back to the W. taxes which are still disgustingly low. Should repeal back to the 50s and close loopholes and pay for more reinforcing of those laws.

Also a wealth tax. If your money, sitting in a bank doing nothing at all, is gaining 6% every f*cking year, then the government should take half of that and do something useful with it.

I remember supporting a presidential candidate who wanted to tax every dollar above $50 million two cents. Whatever happened to her?

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OG_slinger wrote:
UpToIsomorphism wrote:

I remember supporting a presidential candidate who wanted to tax every dollar above $50 million two cents. Whatever happened to her?

Forcing the military to rename bases named after Confederate traitors, laying the foundation with Sen. Chuck Schumer to cancel $50,000 in student debt loan for millions, relaunching a bill to prevent anyone in Congress from trading individual stocks, and, most recently, endorsing Michelle Wu for the mayor of Boston.

Yeah, but besides all that what has the Romans Warrens done for us?

Mixolyde wrote:

Also a wealth tax. If your money, sitting in a bank doing nothing at all, is gaining 6% every f*cking year, then the government should take half of that and do something useful with it.

A wealth tax doesn't tax the growth of wealth, it taxes the wealth itself. So if the wealth itself doesn't grow at a rate greater than the tax, it will eventually disappear. While I'm all about a progressive tax rate that taxes higher income at a greater rate, I'm against a wealth tax. It's also incredibly hard to implement, especially when the wealth is in assets that are difficult to value. How much is that house/yacht/car/painting worth this year?

On the other hand, if the wealth is generating income - like most money "sitting in a bank doing nothing at all" - then that income is taxed just like any other income.

If you look at stocks - where most of the country's wealth is kept - then until that stock is sold for a greater value than it was acquired for, no income has been acquired by the holder. Dividends on stock holdings are taxed as income.

I think Warren's wealth tax would only affect about 700 families, which would be pretty easy to track and manage, relatively, and depending on the percentage should overwhelmingly pay for itself.

And yes, interest gains are taxed, but at a pathetic rate for the obscenely rich. Every billionaire is a policy failure. No one needs that amount of money to live, and millions of other people could actually use it.

Yeah if I remember correctly it would affect like 1/1000 of a percent yet pay for free college and M4A

If we came from a position of equality, then taxing only new wealth generation would make a lot of sense. But since the damage has already been done, for a long time, it seems reasonable to try and target existing wealth as well.

If we want to pursue this further, it should probably be in D&D or something else than the Coronavirus thread.

However:

Mixolyde wrote:

I think Warren's wealth tax would only affect about 700 families, which would be pretty easy to track and manage, relatively, and depending on the percentage should overwhelmingly pay for itself.

Except you didn't stipulate a minimum wealth above which the taxation would occur. So everybody's savings would be subject to the tax based upon your initial comment.

And yes, interest gains are taxed, but at a pathetic rate for the obscenely rich.

Actually, no. Income tax, Long Term Capital Gains, Short Term Capital Gains is the same for everyone, irrespective of income. You are conflating tax avoidance/minimization schemes (like incorporating, charitable funds, etc) with taxation rates. Want to even the playing field? Remove the loop holes.

Pathetic rate for the obscenely rich can still be the same rates for everyone.

None of this discussion is on topic for the coronavirus thread, guys.

JC wrote:

*sigh*

I know I shouldn't expect anything else...

(CNN)Six House Republicans were captured on video refusing masks offered by a colleague during the US Capitol insurrection on Wednesday.

Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, Oklahoma Rep. Markwayne Mullin, Arizona Rep. Andy Biggs, Pennsylvania Rep. Scott Perry, Texas Rep. Michael Cloud and California Rep. Doug LaMalfa were captured unmasked and gathered closely together. They all refused the masks.

Greene's office responded in a statement to CNN, "Congresswoman Greene is a healthy adult who tested negative for COVID at the White House just this week. She does not believe healthy Americans should be forced to muzzle themselves with a mask. America needs to reopen and get back to normal."

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That's the shot. Here's the chaser: Lawmakers may have been exposed to coronavirus during Capitol lockdown.

At this point, they're declining to say who was exposed and for how long, but this was basically the perfect environment for spreading covid: lots of people, close quarters, poor ventilation, for an extended period, with inconsistent mask wearing. This could get really ugly.

Greene's office responded in a statement to CNN, "Congresswoman Greene is a healthy adult who tested negative for COVID at the White House just this week. She does not believe healthy Americans should be forced to muzzle themselves with a mask.

Why do they keep spewing that crap. Yes you are a healthy adult but you will spread it to unhealthy adults and they will die.

I wish some reporter would just say "no one gives a f*ck if Greene lives we are concerned about the elderly she will spread it to - who will die"

It is all about selfishness to the point of absurdity.

Got my first dose of the Pfizer vaccine this morning.

thrawn82 wrote:

Got my first dose of the Pfizer vaccine this morning.

Nice! I got the second dose today. Definitely some arm soreness at the injection site, but otherwise thus far I feel completely fine. Still no secret messages from Bill Gates, so I'm assuming my microchip is broken.

Coldstream wrote:

Still no secret messages from Bill Gates, so I'm assuming my microchip is broken.

That's exactly what a drone-body being remote-piloted by Bill Gates would say.

Coldstream wrote:
thrawn82 wrote:

Got my first dose of the Pfizer vaccine this morning.

Nice! I got the second dose today. Definitely some arm soreness at the injection site, but otherwise thus far I feel completely fine. Still no secret messages from Bill Gates, so I'm assuming my microchip is broken.

The conspiracy got it wrong. He's not taking over your brain to control what you do, he's taking over your brain to mine bitcoins while you sleep.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

That's the shot. Here's the chaser: Lawmakers may have been exposed to coronavirus during Capitol lockdown.

At this point, they're declining to say who was exposed and for how long, but this was basically the perfect environment for spreading covid: lots of people, close quarters, poor ventilation, for an extended period, with inconsistent mask wearing. This could get really ugly.

Double-tap:
Congresswoman tests positive for coronavirus after sheltering with some maskless lawmakers during siege of Capitol

Rep. Bonnie Watson Coleman, a 75-year-old cancer survivor, has tested positive for the coronavirus after taking shelter in a room with other lawmakers, some of whom refused to wear masks, during last week’s violent takeover of the U.S. Capitol by a pro-Trump mob.

“I received a positive test result for COVID-19, and am home resting at this time,” she said in a statement. “While I am experiencing mild, cold-like symptoms, I remain in good spirits and will continue to work on behalf of my constituents.”

She's gotten the first dose of a vaccine, though, so hopefully her immune system is primed to fight it off.

Has anyone seen a good breakdown of how vaccinations are catching up to infections?

Back of the napkin calcs on my phone, we've got 39m positives in the US which is ~11% of the pop infected.

We're now up to ~2.75% of the pop inoculated with at least one shot.

We're getting 600k vaccinations done/day which is 3x the 200k+ infections/day (this could be lower than actual infections).

If we keep upping the volume of shots/day we should be getting ahead of this thing even faster.

Why is no one presenting this in an easily understood manner on a daily basis with, like, charts and stuff?

Math is hard and people are dumb.

Top_Shelf wrote:

Has anyone seen a good breakdown of how vaccinations are catching up to infections?

Back of the napkin calcs on my phone, we've got 39m positives in the US which is ~11% of the pop infected.

We're now up to ~2.75% of the pop inoculated with at least one shot.

We're getting 600k vaccinations done/day which is 3x the 200k+ infections/day (this could be lower than actual infections).

If we keep upping the volume of shots/day we should be getting ahead of this thing even faster.

Why is no one presenting this in an easily understood manner on a daily basis with, like, charts and stuff?

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra...

Also, the vaccine requires 2 shots over a 3-4 week period. So even if you distribute more vaccines, you're still battling against time and exponential growth of infections. Covid is winning. Not to mention that vaccines don't alleviate the overwhelming load currently on our healthcare system and medical staff, first responders.

If people would wear masks and stop trying to overthrow our government, that would do more to help things, and we know how well that's going.

Stengah wrote:
Top_Shelf wrote:

Has anyone seen a good breakdown of how vaccinations are catching up to infections?

Back of the napkin calcs on my phone, we've got 39m positives in the US which is ~11% of the pop infected.

We're now up to ~2.75% of the pop inoculated with at least one shot.

We're getting 600k vaccinations done/day which is 3x the 200k+ infections/day (this could be lower than actual infections).

If we keep upping the volume of shots/day we should be getting ahead of this thing even faster.

Why is no one presenting this in an easily understood manner on a daily basis with, like, charts and stuff?

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra...

Yes.

Am looking for a comparison chart that shows vaccs vs infections. I'd do it myself but, like, I've got other things to do.