[News] Coronavirus

A place to discuss the now-global coronavirus outbreak.

Trumps base believes Mexico paid for his wall through his wheeling and dealing with Nafta. Regardless of the fact that trade deals don't really result in government revenue of signifance. So I'm 100% they will believe China will pay.

China will pay for an actual health package that will certainly materialize just as much as Mexico certainly paid for a wall that actually materialized.

Kehama wrote:

Just get a mask with programmable LED's on the front to give a nice smile or even just scroll across the word "Okay!". That way you get all the expressiveness you want without having to hide your actual expression like you would a mask with a clear plastic window on the front.


We could all just imitate the Elcor....

"With great apprehension, I am greeting you. Sighing, I am resigned to this conversation."

Meanwhile, in the UK the Government's vaunted "3 tier" approach to lockdown (each tier represents the severity of the lockdown in each localised area, depending on the rate of infection in that area) has basically ground to a halt because the local government of areas being told "you need to be in tier 3" (the highest level) are refusing to support those decisions.

While on the face of it it's not a good idea not to implement a severe lockdown in those areas, the point that it's too late across the UK and a national lockdown is probably the better solution at this stage - make no mistake, the UK and pretty much the whole of the rest of Europe is now fully starting its second wave.

The 3 tier system was only ever going to cause to strife between areas ( the UK's North v South divide is in full effect here), confusion in the general populous (the UK has a lot of people living in a relatively small landmass) and various political mudflinging because it's really very hard to argue that these lockdown decisions are being made as much on a political level as a "what's in the national best interest" model. It's also not supported by the UKs scientific advisory group(s) - we still have these and they are moderately independent, it's just the government doesn't listen to them.

Shambles is taking some time off now because it knows the UK government has it beaten all ends up now.

Shambles is taking some time off now because it knows the UK government has it beaten all ends up now.

This sentence didn't parse to me at all. Is Shambles a person?

(edit: if I'm being stupid, please accept my apologies, but I just don't get that part of your post.)

farley3k wrote:

Look at that miracle of it disappearing.

It did mostly disappear.... in blue states that took it seriously. Look at NY and California.

We had 63,000 new cases today...

And it is just the start too. It will get much worse

Wrong thread

The Washington Post had a decent article this morning featuring the selfish dumbf*cks who went to the Sturgis motorcycle rally this year and--shocker of all shockers--got sick.

The article also reveals how the patchwork of state responses to the virus and the lack of a nationally-coordinated contact tracing program have left scientists guessing about the rally's true impact on the health of the country.

Officially, state health officials have only linked about 330 infections and one death to the rally. Unofficially, the Midwest is now the epicenter of the pandemic.

South Dakota went from a rolling seven-day average of 84 new COVID-19 cases a day before the rally to 214 ten days after it ended. Today that number is 655.

On a per 100K population basis South Dakota has triple the rate of daily infection that the Harvard Global Health Institute recommends that stay-at-home orders be issued. North Dakota has well over triple the rate while Montana, Wisconsin, and Nebraska are all clocking in with double the rate. And yet all those states are still wide open.


I assume this is Trump's effort to keep the media spotlight on himself and nothing else? I don't think it's going to work the way he expects it to. Especially with the debate coming on Thursday.

President Trump told campaign staff on a call a few moments ago that people are tired of hearing about coronavirus and called Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), a "disaster" who has been around for "500 years."

Trump claimed without evidence that if Fauci was in charge, over half a million people would be dead in the US.

"People are tired of Covid. I have these huge rallies," Trump said. "People are saying whatever. Just leave us alone. They’re tired of it. People are tired of hearing Fauci and all these idiots...Fauci is a nice guy. He’s been here for 500 years."

Trump went on, "Fauci is a disaster. If I listened to him, we’d have 500,000 deaths," before later saying it would be 700,000 or 800,000. "If there’s a reporter on, you can have it just the way I said it, I couldn’t care less." (Note: CNN was given access to the call by a source.)

Trump is personally responsible for at least two superspreader events with his Tulsa rally and the Rose Garden event for Amy Coney-Barrett. He's not exactly in the best position to complain about covid.

Even the White House taskforce knows that things are going toes-up. There's no longer a single state in the "green zone" for infection rates:


And less encouraging news about long-term effects:

In a young, low-risk population with ongoing symptoms, almost 70% of individuals have impairment in one or more organs four months after initial symptoms of SARS-CoV-2 infection. There are implications not only for burden of long COVID but also public health approaches which have assumed low risk in young people with no comorbidities.

Well that is worrying.

...Until the next six to 12 weeks probably.

That can't be, the girl at the coffee shop drive through told my eight year old in the back seat that things are opening back up and we can do more and more.

Meanwhile, he hasn't seen any of his friends in seven months.

I think it’s month seven of 14 days to flatten the curve.

Two weeks!

Everything always takes two weeks. This was a constant at pretty much every software job I worked.

LouZiffer is quick on the draw.

"Write me check quick, before I come to my senses."

“Hang in there with us,” he said on Sunday on the NBC program “Meet the Press.” “We’re so close. We’re weeks away from monoclonal antibodies for you, for safe and effective vaccines. We need a bridge to that day.”

This is a straight up lie. We are not weeks away from a vaccine.

We are, however, 2 weeks from flattening the curve.

Okay, 3 sets of 2 weeks, but it could still be done, all joking aside.

I mean... he didn’t say how many weeks

ClockworkHouse wrote:


(looks in the right column) Where are all the deep-red Republican strongholds?

(looks in the left column) ... oh.

Keldar wrote:

(looks in the right column) Where are all the deep-red Republican strongholds?

(looks in the left column) ... oh.

You're right, but the numbers are going up in all the states. New York and New Jersey, for example, have had 53% and 35% spikes in hospitalizations since the start of October. Being in the red on that list is bad, but being in the yellow or orange is also not good at all.

One of my concerns is that as the virus has become so politicized in the US that Democrats and others on the left will grow complacent. They'll think of the virus as a conservative problem or a red state problem, and they'll let their guard down.

A public health expert was quoted on NPR recently about the concept of "waves" of infection in the US. He said that thinking of it in waves wasn't a good model, because the virus has never receded. Instead, he said the country was like a big pool of virus sloshing around from place to place, going up more in some places than others at different times, but never going away.

The virus can (and will) come back to the coasts and the cities. It already is.

'It's going to disappear':
A timeline of Trump's claims that Covid-19 will vanishl

Love a well done timeline. He spews so much that it is nice to have one topic detailed.

ClockworkHouse wrote:
Keldar wrote:

(looks in the right column) Where are all the deep-red Republican strongholds?

(looks in the left column) ... oh.

You're right, but the numbers are going up in all the states.

*looks at Canada*

Most of Canada has followed the science. Lockdowns, masks, social isolation, etc.

And our cases are still going up.

Granted, they are not going up as fast as in the US, but they are still going up.

Given the newness of the virus, there is lots we don't know about it and how it is transmitted.