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England to announce 3 tier lock-down system

In response to the virus’ resurgence, Prime Minister Boris Johnson is expected to announce in Parliament on Monday a three-tier local lockdown system, formally known as “Local COVID Alert Levels,” for England, his office said.

Under the new system, the country will be placed into “medium,” “high” and “very high” alert levels. Johnson’s office said the government is working with local leaders to decide which areas are covered by the very high alert level, and the appropriate interventions in those areas.

In response to the impending restrictions that are designed to SAVE f*ckING LIVES....

Spoiler:

I truly hope karma is a real thing.

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Prederick wrote:

I saw that NYT article about the long-term effects of COVID today and man everything is awesome right now.

The one about cognitive fog and memory loss? This one?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/11/h...

Mr GT Chris wrote:
Mixolyde wrote:

Timothy Snyder has written a new book called Our Malady that recounts his personal experience with the healthcare system and uses that as a launching point to analyze all the systemic issues with healthcare in the US, how we got here, the pandemic response, and policy suggestions for fixing it.

https://www.amazon.com/Our-Malady-Le...

I thought his interview on Gaslit Nation was strong.

Me, too. Loves it. He did one on Yascha Mounk's show a while ago that was also quite good.

The one about cognitive fog and memory loss? This one?

Yeah, that is pretty scary and disheartening. One wonders whether this will effect young people or children and the potential staggering effects that will have. Trump may have a metric ton more blood on his hands in the next decade or two.

Man gets Covid twice and second hit 'more severe'

BBC wrote:

A man in the United States has caught Covid twice, with the second infection becoming far more dangerous than the first, doctors report.

The 25-year-old needed hospital treatment after his lungs could not get enough oxygen into his body.

Reinfections remain rare and he has now recovered.

But the study in the Lancet Infectious Diseases, raises questions about how much immunity can be built up to the virus.

The man from Nevada had no known health problems or immune defects that would make him particularly vulnerable to Covid.

Scientists say the patient caught coronavirus twice, rather than the original infection becoming dormant and then bouncing back. A comparison of the genetic codes of the virus taken during each bout of symptoms showed they were too distinct to be caused by the same infection.

"Our findings signal that a previous infection may not necessarily protect against future infection," said Dr Mark Pandori, from the University of Nevada.

"The possibility of reinfections could have significant implications for our understanding of Covid-19 immunity."

This was one we'd already heard about, from back in June. As far as I know, there are only two documented, certain cases of people catching it twice, one in China and this person in Nevada.

That pretty strongly implies that most people end up immune for at least awhile. But we presently have no idea how long that will last.

One of the doctors from the IMHE was on cable news today saying that they aren't 100% but it looks like you can/will get COVID again and catching it gives you 4 months of immunity. There are long term effects from inflammation of kidney, lungs, arteries and brain.

So medicine is apparently facing a task equivalent to curing the common cold if we ever want to go back to being a social species.

BadKen wrote:

So medicine is apparently facing a task equivalent to curing the common cold if we ever want to go back to being a social species.

You know what causes about a fifth of colds? Coronaviruses. In some ways, covid is the common cold. The common cold just isn't usually so deadly.

Yeah, I thought our understanding was that there was a possibility we’d need to be putting all of humanity on a *series* of regularly scheduled vaccines until it was stamped out. Quite the tall order without competent leadership.

Anyone know where the new "WHO no longer recommends lockdowns" thing is coming from that's all over social media? I cannot seem to find anything.

lunchbox12682 wrote:

Anyone know where the new "WHO no longer recommends lockdowns" thing is coming from that's all over social media? I cannot seem to find anything.


As with most things, it's nuanced.

Recent commentary from the World Health Organization's (WHO) special envoy on COVID-19 has sparked questions about the legitimacy of lockdowns to stop the spread of coronavirus.

"We in the World Health Organization do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus."

"The only time we believe a lockdown in justified is to buy you time to reorganise, regroup, rebalance your resources; protect your health workers who are exhausted," Dr Nabarro said.

"But by and large, we'd rather not do it."

Dr Nabarro told The Spectator the economic impact on small countries that rely on tourism and increased poverty levels are two major effects of shutting communities down.

"We really do appeal to all world leaders, stop using lockdown as your primary method of control," he said.

"Lockdowns have just one consequence that you must never ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer."

JC wrote:
lunchbox12682 wrote:

Anyone know where the new "WHO no longer recommends lockdowns" thing is coming from that's all over social media? I cannot seem to find anything.


As with most things, it's nuanced.

Recent commentary from the World Health Organization's (WHO) special envoy on COVID-19 has sparked questions about the legitimacy of lockdowns to stop the spread of coronavirus.

"We in the World Health Organization do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus."

Thanks.
I figured it wasn't what was being spread, but my initial searching missed any real update.

lunchbox12682 wrote:
JC wrote:
lunchbox12682 wrote:

Anyone know where the new "WHO no longer recommends lockdowns" thing is coming from that's all over social media? I cannot seem to find anything.


As with most things, it's nuanced.

Recent commentary from the World Health Organization's (WHO) special envoy on COVID-19 has sparked questions about the legitimacy of lockdowns to stop the spread of coronavirus.

"We in the World Health Organization do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus."

Thanks.
I figured it wasn't what was being spread, but my initial searching missed any real update.

It's so frustrating. If a country has its sh*t together with testing/tracing and all that other stuff, then of course lockdowns aren't going to be the prime solution. Sadly, there aren't many places that have that level of control over things especially when a large majority is being encouraged to ignore everything by their leaders.

I haven't been scrutinizing the details, but it seems like in the last few days I've read:
1. Post-infection immunity may only last a few months
2. There are confirmed cases of reinfection
3. More documentation of severe, lingering symptoms after the acute infection, including even cognitive issues
4. I think at least 2 vaccine trials were halted because they might have caused undisclosed but presumably serious reactions

In the last couple of weeks, I've personally witnessed or spoken with multiple people who were worked up about being asked to wear masks in public places. In two cases, they simply refused and were allowed to continue on with their business without masks (in Home Depot and a medical clinic respectively). I've also heard people assert that right after the election, the virus will just "go away" as if it's just some kind of political ploy. Compassion and reason seem to be foreign concepts to them.

Even with new, more competent leadership, I'm not sure public behavior is even capable of changing much at this point- at least until we get images of crowded ER's with people lying on the floor dying of respiratory failure because there's nowhere to put them. Is that where we're headed? Cause right now it feels to me like that's where we're headed.

the limbo this plague has us in made me decide it's worth going for those last couple of Persona 5 trophies--missed the Confidants one because of misunderstanding how the trophy worked the first one-and-a-half playthroughs. Went to the cinema in the game, and thought "wow people in a theater without masks" until I saw a couple of audience member NPC's were wearing them (the game is set in Japan) (edit) and then had that funky mental process of stitching the recent past--especially pre-corona mask wearing--back together with the present day.

oh, and on the subject of Covid-19, coronaviruses, and the common cold:

The Great Russian Flu of the early 1890s may have been a Covid-like virus that crossed to humans from cows, scientists suggest

However, a group of Belgian scientists has since argued that the pandemic was caused by a different agent: a coronavirus. “It’s a very convincing analysis,” Dr David Matthews, a coronavirus expert at Bristol University, told the Observer. “The scientists used very sophisticated, advanced research and their claim is worth taking seriously.”

The study was led by Belgian biologist Leen Vijgen and her team’s results were published in the Journal of Virology several years ago. Their work, which has re-emerged with the appearance of Covid-19, suggests the coronavirus linked to the 1890 outbreak is likely to have leapt from cows to humans before spreading worldwide. In the case of Covid-19, it is thought bats were the source of the virus.

The Vijgen argument is based on the close genetic match between the human coronavirus OC43, a frequent cause of the common cold, and another coronavirus that infects cows. By studying mutation rates in the two viruses, researchers concluded they probably shared a common ancestor from around 1890, indicating the virus jumped from cows to humans at that time. Thus, that year’s epidemic “may have been the result of interspecies transmission of bovine coronaviruses to humans,” the researchers say.

(oh, and maybe everybody else knows this by now, but you can keep quote from jamming your paragraphs together by starting the box with a blank line between the quote tag and the beginning of the text--I just figured that out the other day)

(oh, and maybe everybody else knows this by now, but you can keep quote from jamming your paragraphs together by starting the box with a blank line between the quote tag and the beginning of the text--I just figured that out the other day)

I know this, but keep forgetting, so the reminder is always nice.

Something bananas I've come to realize is that I always have the state of my mute button memorized in my head. I rarely forget when I need to avoid drinking water, etc, bc I'm always aware of the state of the mute button. This isn't a skill I had 7 months ago

I habitually make the Zoom window the top window in my desktop every time I step away from my desk just in case I need to quickly unmute while microwaving some food, getting some water, etc.

If the chat window I'm talking in is Teams or Slack rather than Zoom I always move the correct window to the top before I leave my desk, because my brain is also keeping track of which app I'm currently chatting in.

The point is, brains are weird and it's surprising the things we've adapted to that weren't even imaginable as recently as 7 months ago.

State of calamity declared here.
The number of infections is the highest, but the deaths and intensive care numbers haven't reached the March/April numbers. It's been mostly hitting "young" people.

State of emergency declared yesterday in France.

I realized something while running an errand the other day. Much like the Belters in the Expanse, while our societies are wearing masks we're going to have to be more expressive with our hands rather than our faces. While waiting in line the clerk asked me to wait a second while they complete a quick task. I smiled in acknowledgement before realizing that they couldn't see that. I need to remember to give a thumb's up in the future.

Just get a mask with programmable LED's on the front to give a nice smile or even just scroll across the word "Okay!". That way you get all the expressiveness you want without having to hide your actual expression like you would a mask with a clear plastic window on the front.

Kehama wrote:

Just get a mask with programmable LED's on the front to give a nice smile or even just scroll across the word "Okay!". That way you get all the expressiveness you want without having to hide your actual expression like you would a mask with a clear plastic window on the front.

Until people figure out how to hack it (because OF COURSE it will be Bluetooth or something) and make you 'say' all sorts of stuff.

imbiginjapan wrote:

Until people figure out how to hack it (because OF COURSE it will be Bluetooth or something) and make you 'say' all sorts of stuff.

ORANGE SUS!

Interesting...

Authorities have carried out raids of the homes and offices of several senior French government officials as part of an investigation into the management of the Covid-19 outbreak in the country, a spokesperson for senior public prosecutor Francois Molins told CNN.

Among them were French Health Minister Olivier Véran; the director of the country’s national health agency, Jerome Salomon; and former Prime Minister Edouard Philippe.

A spokesperson for Philippe confirmed to CNN that his home, as well as the city hall of Le Havre, where he is the mayor, had been searched. They added that “everything took place in a very courteous manner, with the full cooperation of the mayor.”

The raids followed 99 complaints from several non-profits and a collective of doctors to the Court of Justice of the Republic, which tries cases of misconduct committed by government officials.

Molins opened a judicial investigation on July 7 based on nine of those complaints for “failure to combat a disaster,” a charge that could be punished by two years' imprisonment and a 30,000-euro ($35,102) fine.

The Ministry of Health confirmed the searches into Veran’s and Salomon’s homes and offices, adding that the operation was “conducted with no difficulties."

Kehama wrote:

Just get a mask with programmable LED's on the front to give a nice smile or even just scroll across the word "Okay!".

Astral Chain holomasks are our future.

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Trump was encouraging the pandemic in NC today and had this to say about his son contracting it.

My Barron. My tall Barron. He’s very tall. My beautiful Barron. Handsome. He is handsome. But my beautiful Barron had it. He recovered, like, so fast. I said, wait a minute: how long did that take?

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Immediately had me think of this (apologies to Zbigniew Krycsiwiki, Roger Moore, and Lois Chiles)
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Don't worry, y'all.

President Trump on Fox Business asserted three or four times today without evidence or explanation that China would pay for a coronavirus relief package of more than $1.8 trillion

Trump is going to build the coronavirus relief package and make China pay for it.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

Don't worry, y'all.

President Trump on Fox Business asserted three or four times today without evidence or explanation that China would pay for a coronavirus relief package of more than $1.8 trillion

Trump is going to build the coronavirus relief package and make China pay for it.

LOL guess "China" is the 2021 code word for U.S. taxpayers this time around.