NFL 2019: Week 16

I mean maybe he watched that Cleveland Hype Video and got super excited??

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Alternatively, if I'm Mike McCarthy, why would I want to go to Cleveland?

The assumption would be that there would not be a better offer elsewhere. Teams weren't exactly lining up to bring him in after he departed Green Bay. There may be more interest in him this year, but that does not mean there will necessarily be any offers.

Also, if he could get his QB's head screwed on straight, there's enough talent on that offense to make an immediate impact. The WRs might change their tune about wanting to skip town when an adult that knows what he's doing enters the room. OBJ wouldn't be wasted in a Mike McCarthy offense.

whispa wrote:
TheGameguru wrote:

You know what was cool on Sunday. That both the Giants and Eagles fans in the stadium in unison started chanting “Dallas Sucks!”

:D

The one thing that each set of fans can agree on!

Maybe Cleveland should offer LeBron the coaching gig?

Hrdina wrote:
whispa wrote:
TheGameguru wrote:

You know what was cool on Sunday. That both the Giants and Eagles fans in the stadium in unison started chanting “Dallas Sucks!”

:D

The one thing that each set of fans can agree on! :D

Exactly!

As to why Cleveland? If a coach just happens to bail that franchise out of the gutter, they would be immortalized as a god.

How'd that work out for Ty Lue?

Rat Boy wrote:

How'd that work out for Ty Lue?

Hahaha! The difference being that NFL coaches are glorified for their authoritarian ways. Team success is massively attributed to the head coach, more so than in any other sport, probably because of the nature of the game and play calls.

Ron Rivera is going to Washington.

Before they have a GM?

The GM does stuff in Washington?

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

I just don't get the Mike McCarthy hate; .618 career winning percentage, consistently in playoffs. What, he didn't win enough SBs with Aaron Rodgers? The guy has a good offensive mind, and I'd think he could do all sorts of interesting things with McCaffery. It's not like McCarthy is some retread who keeps getting jobs over and over, he's had one HC gig and did pretty damn well at it.

Here's the pushback: McCarthy failed to manage his HoF QB, didn't innovate and overall was a weak and ineffective leader.

Also, McCarthy doesn't have a clue how to use a timeout. Rivera was awful until lately on that front, too, and it's absolutely maddening to see someone burn TOs when they don't have to.

garion333 wrote:

Ron Rivera is going to Washington.

Before they have a GM?

Snyder is horrible. I like the Rivera pick for them as I think he is a sound coach but this already undermines the GM.

Enix wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

I just don't get the Mike McCarthy hate; .618 career winning percentage, consistently in playoffs. What, he didn't win enough SBs with Aaron Rodgers? The guy has a good offensive mind, and I'd think he could do all sorts of interesting things with McCaffery. It's not like McCarthy is some retread who keeps getting jobs over and over, he's had one HC gig and did pretty damn well at it.

Here's the pushback: McCarthy failed to manage his HoF QB, didn't innovate and overall was a weak and ineffective leader.

Also, McCarthy doesn't have a clue how to use a timeout. Rivera was awful until lately on that front, too, and it's absolutely maddening to see someone burn TOs when they don't have to.

Yeah, not sure if I'd say "failed to manage his QB" as they were playing well and winning for a long time. It's abundantly clear that Rodgers is a prima donna.

McCarthy admits he was wrong not to innovate and he's been working on that in his time off. He was stale. No doubt. And his in-game choices tended to be awful. Hopefully he can fix his not going for it on 4th ways, but I doubt he'll suddenly figure out how to use a timeout (see: Andy Reid).

Enix wrote:

McCarthy failed to manage his HoF QB, didn't innovate and overall was a weak and ineffective leader.

Wait, there’s a reasonable chance that Rodgers is not a Hall of Famer. I’d say a reasonably good chance. So maybe McCarthy was actually let down by his QB in the last few years.

staygold wrote:

Wait, there’s a reasonable chance that Rodgers is not a Hall of Famer.

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This phrase "reasonable chance". I do not think it means what you think it means. A guy who has been one of the best QBs in the league during an era of arguably the best QB play ever is going to walk into the HOF on the first ballot. He won't even walk in. People will carry him to the ceremony so he doesn't have to even put that effort in. He could have retired a few years ago and still gotten in easily.

I guess I just am thinking about the log jam that’s going to happen at quarterback in the next 15 years. Rodgers has had 6 years of top-3 quarterback play. If that’s a sufficient bar to get into the Hall of Fame then I guess he’s in. But then you should also warmly welcome Phillip Rivers, Matt Ryan, Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Stafford, and Eli Manning. Each of those guys hasn’t had the peak brilliance of Rodgers, but have had more consistent and long term success (except Eli because he’s an oddity)

Rodgers has the best ever QB rating. He won a Super Bowl. Two MVPs. Three AP awards.

Rivers. None of the above.

Ryan. One MVP. One AP.

Ben. Won Super Bowls.

Stafford. None of the above.

Eli. Won Super Bowls. None of the rest.

Rodgers is in. The rest aren't. Except maybe Ben, unfortunately.

In the era of Manning-Brady-Brees Rodgers is the only name that qualifies to be in that list too. You say "top three for six years" and I don't think you're giving enough weight to that statement. Six years of outplaying Peyton Manning. Six years of being Brees-like. Yeah, that's special. Only Matt Ryan has had one single season that good. The rest haven't even done that. Rivers on a different organization ... maybe. He throws too many INTs and has done jack s**t in the playoffs. That stuff matters (to voters).

Only part of that I don't agree with is the idea that Eli won't go in.

"Shouldn't", but not "won't".

Yeah 1 super bowl he could be left out, like Flacco and some other QBs. But 2 probably gets Eli in, eventually.

Are the on field problems Jameis Winston has addressable with off season QB coaching? I haven't watched any of his games, but just watching his INT's, it looks like most of them are overthrows he makes while his feet are either not set or his stance is too high. I would think that three months working with Tom House or Joshua Harris would help to clean up his footwork and follow through.

We’ve had this discussion. Eli is in. Don’t make me hurt anyone.

*Legion* wrote:

Only part of that I don't agree with is the idea that Eli won't go in.

"Shouldn't", but not "won't".

Stele wrote:

Yeah 1 super bowl he could be left out, like Flacco and some other QBs. But 2 probably gets Eli in, eventually.

I'm a believer! I'm going to act like he won't get in, as he shouldn't, and my language going forward will reflect that.

The only thing Eli has ever led the league in is interceptions and beating Tom Brady.

Fwiw, Ben gets in because he played in Pitt.

Paleocon wrote:

Are the on field problems Jameis Winston has addressable with off season QB coaching? I haven't watched any of his games, but just watching his INT's, it looks like most of them are overthrows he makes while his feet are either not set or his stance is too high. I would think that three months working with Tom House or Joshua Harris would help to clean up his footwork and follow through.

I don't believe he can even follow instructions. Has a real hard time with "No" and "Stop".

Time to clean house in CLE... again.

I hate rooting for this team.

Jags officially keeping Marrone.

So, uh, go Niners.

Paleocon wrote:

Are the on field problems Jameis Winston has addressable with off season QB coaching? (...) I would think that three months working with Tom House or Joshua Harris would help to clean up his footwork and follow through.

If 5 years with 3 different NFL coaching staffs didn't do it, I'm not sure what 3 months with a tutor is going to do.

Coaching like that is for high level refinement, not rebuilding fundamentally broken mechanics.

*Legion* wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

Are the on field problems Jameis Winston has addressable with off season QB coaching? (...) I would think that three months working with Tom House or Joshua Harris would help to clean up his footwork and follow through.

If 5 years with 3 different NFL coaching staffs didn't do it, I'm not sure what 3 months with a tutor is going to do.

Coaching like that is for high level refinement, not rebuilding fundamentally broken mechanics.

Funnily enough, there were a LOT of "experts" saying that Lamar Jackson's mechanics were fundamentally broken and three months with Joshua Harris turned him into the NFL MVP.

*Legion* wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

Are the on field problems Jameis Winston has addressable with off season QB coaching? (...) I would think that three months working with Tom House or Joshua Harris would help to clean up his footwork and follow through.

If 5 years with 3 different NFL coaching staffs didn't do it, I'm not sure what 3 months with a tutor is going to do.

Coaching like that is for high level refinement, not rebuilding fundamentally broken mechanics.

Are his mechanics even that broken or is it more intuition that he can't make reads? Imo pick 6s are not recognizing there's a defender camping your route and Jameis loves a pick 6.

As for the Rodgers stuff I think he's lost a tad of his shine for a combination of things. Until Mahomes came in there wasn't really anyone making the throws Rodgers could. Brees being ageless while Rodgers dips also doesn't help.

If Rodgers wants to play to 40 I'm expecting a strong finish where he gets back into 30+ TD range and continued record low picks. This year was a show and prove year for everyone on the offense besides Adams. Aaron Jones obviously gets an A+. Otherwise I expect some serious investment in weapons for Rodgers which will obviously have a positive impact on his #s.

jowner wrote:
*Legion* wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

Are the on field problems Jameis Winston has addressable with off season QB coaching? (...) I would think that three months working with Tom House or Joshua Harris would help to clean up his footwork and follow through.

If 5 years with 3 different NFL coaching staffs didn't do it, I'm not sure what 3 months with a tutor is going to do.

Coaching like that is for high level refinement, not rebuilding fundamentally broken mechanics.

Are his mechanics even that broken or is it more intuition that he can't make reads? Imo pick 6s are not recognizing there's a defender camping your route and Jameis loves a pick 6.

Of course he can't read a situation and make the right decision.

Vector wrote:

I don't believe he can even follow instructions. Has a real hard time with "No" and "Stop".

And that.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Time to clean house in CLE... again.

I hate rooting for this team.

Now that's stupid.