Playstation 5 Catch-All

PlayStation 5 Launches Holiday 2020

The 9th console generation begins Winter 2020.

What do you expect it to do that the current generation can’t?

I hope it's really backwards compatible and with psn purchases. I've kept my PS3 all this time with my PS4 because I have persona 3, 4 and various other psn games that I can only play on it.

It would be a day one purchase for me - if it is backwards compatible. I know from their business plan sense it might not make sense but I want it.

Otherwise I guess I will finish up what I have for the PS4 and wait until I can get a PS5 used.

I'm always happy that we get more alive & detailed world's with a general improvement in graphics. I just love minute detail in games that you adds the overall atmosphere like in The Witcher 3.

The SSD should really make a massive difference in not just loading but in games that your quickly traversing large environments, like Insomniac's inevitable Spiderman sequel which should be insane.

The much improved CPU for more realistic & advanced physics as well as much improved A.I.

The most exciting feature is on the controller, adaptive triggers & the haptic feedback could be a mini revolution in how weapons, surfaces, vehicles, impact on characters, elements like fire, wind, water etc feel in the form of nuanced feedback in the form of force, vibration & sound on the controller.

Can't wait to see what's in store game wise & how developers utilize the features of the PS5.

One thing I do hope is that a big tent pole game like Horizon Zero Dawn 2 isn't rushed out just to make the launch, keep on giving the first party devs the time they need to really make the best games possible.

Backward compatibly would likely be a very early purchase for me as well. I only have so much space on my tv stand.

What I'm really interested in though is PSVR. I'm hopeful all existing games will work but that they rev the headset as well.

I've been holding off until next gen to pick up the PSVR.

Stele wrote:

I hope it's really backwards compatible and with psn purchases. I've kept my PS3 all this time with my PS4 because I have persona 3, 4 and various other psn games that I can only play on it.

First thing I thought is that whether to get a PS5 or a heavily discounted PS4 will entirely be based on where I can play Persona 5 Royal and hopefully a release of Persona 4 Golden for consoles.

If this can play PS3 games I'll buy it day one. And I mean actual, physical copies of PS3 games.

Otherwise, I'll by a refurbed PS3 for cheap and wait for it to go down in price.

I think it might have been confirmed to be backwards compatible with the PS4 at least, and that alone would suit me.

Squeeeeee.

I'd like to see how the Division 2 works on PS5. I adore that game but too often elements in the environment look like weird arty metal sculptures for a good long while as the engine works on assembling a more convincing version of the object or objects before my eyes.

I want it to cook my breakfast and massage my back.

Spikeout wrote:

One thing I do hope is that a big tent pole game like Horizon Zero Dawn 2 isn't rushed out just to make the launch, keep on giving the first party devs the time they need to really make the best games possible.

Horizon Zero Dawn 2 seems to be being over shadowed by other games for me at the moment but I suspect, when we get to see a trailer, it's going to be incredibly exciting. The first game was superb but the things they could do with the sequel...

ccesarano wrote:

If this can play PS3 games I'll buy it day one. And I mean actual, physical copies of PS3 games.

Otherwise, I'll by a refurbed PS3 for cheap and wait for it to go down in price.

It'll never, ever happen until PS3 software emulation is possible and it really isn't.

LarryC wrote:

I want it to cook my breakfast and massage my back.

Good news, that's been confirmed!

Backward compatibility would make me much more likely to buy one early.
Other than that, Horizon Zero Dawn 2 would be the big one to bring me in.

Based on the specs it still seems like the price could be way too unreasonable though.

garion333 wrote:
ccesarano wrote:

If this can play PS3 games I'll buy it day one. And I mean actual, physical copies of PS3 games.

Otherwise, I'll by a refurbed PS3 for cheap and wait for it to go down in price.

It'll never, ever happen until PS3 software emulation is possible and it really isn't.

This has always confused me. The PS3 is 13 years old. When the (deep breath), NES, SNES, N64, GameCube, and Wii were 13 years old their emulators were arguably better than the originals.

What is it about the PS3 that makes it so hard to emulate?

jrralls wrote:
garion333 wrote:
ccesarano wrote:

If this can play PS3 games I'll buy it day one. And I mean actual, physical copies of PS3 games.

Otherwise, I'll by a refurbed PS3 for cheap and wait for it to go down in price.

It'll never, ever happen until PS3 software emulation is possible and it really isn't.

This has always confused me. The PS3 is 13 years old. When the (deep breath), NES, SNES, N64, GameCube, and Wii were 13 years old their emulators were arguably better than the originals.

What is it about the PS3 that makes it so hard to emulate?

Well, it's not just the PS3. We're only now getting god results with PS2 games. And 360 games are also not well emulated atm.

With more complex hardware inside the devices themselves they become harder and harder to emulate.

Because of that a main issue is that software emulation takes a ton more power than the original systems used. And we used to have exponentially more power coming out for PCs every year. That speed doubling every year hasn't happened in forever, so it's a tougher cookie to crack.

But that's just the processing power, the systems were also doing multi-threading and whatnot.

Systems also got more varied by adding in more online connectivity and, I assume, more DRM. You have to code that in.

The Wii is a special case because it was, literally, a revised Gamecube with some extra power.

BC to PS4 will prob be much easier. The PS3 was a special unicorn with a processor that worked in a completely different way from x86 code that will probably make it all but impossible to emulate for a few more console generations. If people really want to play those games, Sony will have to remaster them.

Also, doesn't this ask for BC come up every console generation, and then it ends up being a whole bunch of nothing because the console makers see it has an infinitesimal impact on sales?

Chairman_Mao wrote:

Also, doesn't this ask for BC come up every console generation, and then it ends up being a whole bunch of nothing because the console makers see it has an infinitesimal impact on sales?

With Microsoft kicking Sony's ass on messaging because of backward compatibility I think it's more important to Sony now than it was when they built the PS4.

Ok. I guess I haven't seen any messaging from either side on the issue. But I forget a lot of stuff pretty quickly still it's hard for me to imagine a significant number of people choosing to not buy a console or buy the competitor's console because of BC vs factors like what systems their friends play on. Seems like one of those things people say they want but then act on very differently.

jrralls wrote:

This has always confused me. The PS3 is 13 years old. When the (deep breath), NES, SNES, N64, GameCube, and Wii were 13 years old their emulators were arguably better than the originals.

What is it about the PS3 that makes it so hard to emulate?

No, they really weren't. At best they were able to plug in some functionality or graphics filters that made superficial improvements, but the emulators themselves were inaccurate to the original hardware. Put an emulation of a SNES game next to the game running on proper hardware and you'd usually find yourself able to spot different behaviors in A.I. and other factors.

Emulation has been getting better with more powerful machines, but it takes a surprising amount of horsepower to pretend to even be a comparatively weak gaming console. What you have are close enough approximations that you'll rarely, if ever, notice the inaccuracies, and more often than not a lot of the ported ROMs are hacked to behave as they're intended.

With PS3's ridiculous hardware structure, it's unlikely that you'd be able to emulate those games. Backwards compatibility is my wishful thinking, but I'm pretty sure it's never going to happen and they'll just keep emphasizing PS Now for PS3 games.

While BC would be super nice to have in the early months of the console cycle, I can hardly see myself putting in a PS4 game into my PS5 unless it's for one of our clubs here. The moment I got my PS4 my PS3 immediately began collecting dust, regardless of how man unplayed games I had for it.

For peace of mind it would be nice to see your entire PS4 digital library transfer over to PS5, but I don't think its really a deal breaker. Just look at the Switch vs Wii U

One thing that has changed in the gaming landscape, that might make backwards compatibility a valuable thing to offer, is the advent of ‘service games’ like Destiny, The Division and Rainbow Six. A lot of folks might want to upgrade but still play those games. It might not make an impact on which console folks buy but it could easily impact how early they make the switch to next gen (and I guess the longer people delay moving to the PS5 the more chance the Xbox has to lure them away.)

Xbox could lure me away from the PS ecosystem with things like better family control features that sync across devices.

MS almost has me just with GamePass. They really knock it out of the park with offerings. PS+ is just pale comparison.

There are too many incredible exclusives for me to easily leave PS. Microsoft is going to have to go some to beat Sony’s offerings. Sony must have a direct tap into my brain because every game they create appeals to me so much.

Fastmav347 wrote:

While BC would be super nice to have in the early months of the console cycle, I can hardly see myself putting in a PS4 game into my PS5 unless it's for one of our clubs here. The moment I got my PS4 my PS3 immediately began collecting dust, regardless of how man unplayed games I had for it.

For peace of mind it would be nice to see your entire PS4 digital library transfer over to PS5, but I don't think its really a deal breaker. Just look at the Switch vs Wii U

Switch offered the ability to take a game anywhere. I may have bought Mario Kart 8 again, but now I can take it anywhere with me rather than exclusively playing it in my living room.

PS4 > PS5 doesn't offer that ability.

......even though I ended up buying Arkham and Bioshock collections again so guess I'm the idiot anyway.

Still, being able to at least pull in my PS4 games physically and digitally to the PS5 would be preferential to my current PS3 situation, which is that I either have to repurchase games for the 360 that I bought for PS3 and aren't getting remasters (games like Remember Me) or get a new PS3 for the titles that...well, also aren't getting remasters and are exclusive (inFamous 1 & 2, Resistance 3).

Chairman_Mao wrote:

Also, doesn't this ask for BC come up every console generation, and then it ends up being a whole bunch of nothing because the console makers see it has an infinitesimal impact on sales?

I think the statistics show that very (really, very very very) few people actually use backwards compatibility, other than maybe trying out a few old games the first week they own the console. But having it as a bullet point gets you a lot of positive discussion, and enough people think that they'll use it (although they're wrong) that not having it when the competition does may make a dent in sales.

As it turns out, you make more money selling people what they think they need rather than what they actually need.

I just finished The Frozen Wilds and am about to start a NG+ on Ultra hard of Horizon finally and I'm giddy just like the first time I played it two years ago. This game still impresses me, I can't imagine what the sequel on the PS5 will do but I am so ready for it.

I would guess the statistics on how much people use backward compatibility is not particularly good, since so few consoles have it. Isn't it pretty much only Wii U that had it from the start in modern time?
In the long run backward compatibility isnt particularly useful, as people move unto newer games. But at release, when a new console has nearly no games, it seems like being able to play your old games on it, is a nice bonus. Allows you to get rid of the old console.
Then there are the people who did not own the previous console, who are suddenly able to get two consoles in one. Pretty decent back catalogue on PS4 now.

I need to see more before I consider a launch purchase, but I'll inevitably cave with the release of the first big exclusive that interests me.

Bloodborne 2 when?

Dyni wrote:

Bloodborne 2 when?

Also Spider-Man 2

For me it's more about ways in which we can continue to preserve games. At the same time, I actually try to go back and replay old games I bought, and the entire industry and culture has pushed more towards playing a game once then tossing it aside... which is also in part why so many developers are trying to turn everything into a games-as-service model.

So while most consumers have no need of backwards compatibility and simply wish to know they can return to old games if they want, I think there's a niche audience that it would be a crucial feature for. Right now, Microsoft is doing far better in terms of backwards compatibility.