NFL 2019: Week 4

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* Monday came and went, and as expected, the Patriots did not pay Antonio Brown the signing bonus check he is owed. Thus begins a battle that, for once, I actually want the Patriots to win.

* Blaine Gabbert has been put on IR, dashing all of our hopes for him to make some garbage starts in place of a benched Jameis Winston.

* The quarterback with the most turnovers over the past 16 regular season games is not named Mariota, Mayfield, or Winston. It's Jared Goff, who has 13 INTs and 14 lost fumbles over that span.

The Rams offense has been trending downward since about the midpoint of last season. This year, they're currently in the middle of the pack, 16th in total offense.

* Rookie edge rushers ranked by PFF's Pass Rush Productivity (sacks/hits/hurries per pass rush snap), with a 20% of snaps threshold applied to filter out low snap count players, and with a few UDFA types left out:

- Nick Bosa (1st, highest rate in the league)
- Rashan Gary (5th)
- Josh Allen (15th)
- Brian Burns (25th-T)
- Oshane Ximines (25th-T)
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- Chase Winovich (61st)
- Clelin Ferrell (74th)
- Montez Sweat (101st)

Bosa, Allen, and Burns is looking like the best young edge rusher group we've seen in a while, in terms of immediate impact. Rashan Gary barely makes this list as his number of pass rush snaps only meets the threshold by a hair, but he's making things happen when he gets in there. And the Raiders still aren't looking great for passing on better guys to take Clelin Ferrell.

* Joe Staley with free time:
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* The new Daniel Jones vs. Baker Mayfield comparison narrative:
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* Self-inflicted kicker woes:
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The Bucs drafted Aguayo. The Chargers cut Josh Lambo, who has a 93.6% FG% with the Jags. The Bears cut Robbie Gould, who has a 94.0% FG% for the Niners

Right now, Chiefs Nation are convincing themselves that Mahomes is going to have the greatest game of his short career in Detroit on Sunday because he once through a pass 70 yards in the air in a dome. If they work hard enough, maybe they can get Mahomes to request a trade to Atlanta.

My old man and I were talking about things this week. He's one of them Boomer types that fancies himself a Managerial type in whatever position that has Managers, so naturally he thinks he knows how to run the Eagles. Nevertheless, Eagles practice was soft on Tuesday and soft Yesterday, which has me wondering if they're really gonna be ready for tonight's game (the answer: no, they're not).

The question is: do any teams do a hard practice when they have a game in less than a week from their previous? Also: what constitutes a "soft" practice?

I mean, unless Agholor learned how to catch and Darby learned how to cover, Eagles pretty screwed either way.

*falls through a time warp from 15 years ago*

"Hey, wow, that sounds like an exciting and totally relevant show!'

ccesarano wrote:

My old man and I were talking about things this week. He's one of them Boomer types that fancies himself a Managerial type in whatever position that has Managers, so naturally he thinks he knows how to run the Eagles. Nevertheless, Eagles practice was soft on Tuesday and soft Yesterday, which has me wondering if they're really gonna be ready for tonight's game (the answer: no, they're not).

The question is: do any teams do a hard practice when they have a game in less than a week from their previous? Also: what constitutes a "soft" practice?

Under the current CBA, teams are allowed to practice in pads 1 a week during most of the season, and then towards the very end, they get 3 practices to split between the final 6 weeks (so, averaging 1 every 2 weeks).

Therefore, by definition, most practices during the league year are not full contact. They will involve non-contact drills (eg. 9-on-7 passing drills), as well as walkthroughs (basically low-speed acting out of the plays in the gameplan, mental reps but with the physical component of actually moving your body through the intended path).

*Legion* wrote:

* The quarterback with the most turnovers over the past 16 regular season games is not named Mariota, Mayfield, or Winston. It's Jared Goff, who has 13 INTs and 14 lost fumbles over that span.

Ever since the Lions gave the blueprint to slow down the Rams passing attack Goff has been decidedly average. With Kupp back this year there's no excuse. They simply haven't adjusted and found new wrinkles that work. Plus teams are disguising things until the very last moment to f- with Goff.

It's on the Rams to find a new way.

garion333 wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

* The quarterback with the most turnovers over the past 16 regular season games is not named Mariota, Mayfield, or Winston. It's Jared Goff, who has 13 INTs and 14 lost fumbles over that span.

Ever since the Lions gave the blueprint to slow down the Rams passing attack Goff has been decidedly average. With Kupp back this year there's no excuse. They simply haven't adjusted and found new wrinkles that work. Plus teams are disguising things until the very last moment to f- with Goff.

It's on the Rams to find a new way.

The problem is, Goff is a dumbbell. That's why waiting until after the coms shut off works so well.

I'm just here so I don't get fined.

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I've brought it up in the past and apparently there is no stats that back it but... Week 4 byes for SF and the Jets.

I guess it helps the Jets get over their mono but doubt the 49ers want to stop their momentum.

Something I didn't realize is how random the byes are. 2 teams this week? 4 teams some weeks? 6 others?

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jowner wrote:

I guess it helps the Jets get over their mono but doubt the 49ers want to stop their momentum.

Actually it could not have come at a better time for the Niners.

Nick Bosa and Dee Ford have both been playing limited snap counts because of preseason injuries they're playing through (high ankle sprain for Bosa, knee swelling for Ford). On top of that, Ahkello Witherspoon (who currently is one of the top 10 corners in PFF grading) suffered an ankle injury this past week and will be out a month.

As if that wasn't enough, they've been missing Tevin Coleman from a preseason injury as well, who was supposed to be their starting RB, as well as rookie WR Jalen Hurd.

Everyone in Niners-land is extremely happy for the timing of this bye week. A lot of lingering injuries get a week of rest. Hurd and Coleman are expected back after the bye week, and Bosa is expected to be back to 100%. And considering how critical Witherspoon has become for the defense, having the bye week land during the time he's out is a blessing.

The injuries don't wait for the regular season to start piling up.

Jayhawker wrote:
garion333 wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

* The quarterback with the most turnovers over the past 16 regular season games is not named Mariota, Mayfield, or Winston. It's Jared Goff, who has 13 INTs and 14 lost fumbles over that span.

Ever since the Lions gave the blueprint to slow down the Rams passing attack Goff has been decidedly average. With Kupp back this year there's no excuse. They simply haven't adjusted and found new wrinkles that work. Plus teams are disguising things until the very last moment to f- with Goff.

It's on the Rams to find a new way.

The problem is, Goff is a dumbbell. That's why waiting until after the coms shut off works so well.

I don't think he's dumb, I think he's vastly inexperienced in the same way many Air Raid QBs are. I'm not sure he's reached his peak in terms of understanding defenses, but diagnosing them was one of the huge knocks on him coming from college as the system he was in tended to give easy reads and open receivers.

Sound familiar?

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Didn't realize the 49ers were that banged up.

Or that Lil Wayne is a Packers fan?

Ugh.

2 plays.

2 helmet to helmet hits. :/

Yeah I am not happy about that. First play with Sanders and Seumalo(?) tripping on each other, then two helmet to helmets. This is a lousy start.

Eagles D needs to do something different. They're seemingly worse than last year.

And, yes, more Jordan Howard. Miles Sanders needs some time to adjust to NFL.

Maybe also hypnotize the Eagles receivers into thinking those footballs are babies.

More Marcedes Lewis please!

garion333 wrote:

Eagles D needs to do something different. They're seemingly worse than last year.

And, yes, more Jordan Howard. Miles Sanders needs some time to adjust to NFL.

I'm starting to believe that Chris Long and Michael Bennett were part of the only reason our defense was doing as well as they did last year, and I wasn't happy then. Sidney Jones wasn't even on the receiver one of those plays. Cox hasn't been crushing quarterbacks either.

Jim Schwartz either needs a new play book or a new job.

garion333 wrote:
Jayhawker wrote:
garion333 wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

* The quarterback with the most turnovers over the past 16 regular season games is not named Mariota, Mayfield, or Winston. It's Jared Goff, who has 13 INTs and 14 lost fumbles over that span.

Ever since the Lions gave the blueprint to slow down the Rams passing attack Goff has been decidedly average. With Kupp back this year there's no excuse. They simply haven't adjusted and found new wrinkles that work. Plus teams are disguising things until the very last moment to f- with Goff.

It's on the Rams to find a new way.

The problem is, Goff is a dumbbell. That's why waiting until after the coms shut off works so well.

I don't think he's dumb, I think he's vastly inexperienced in the same way many Air Raid QBs are. I'm not sure he's reached his peak in terms of understanding defenses, but diagnosing them was one of the huge knocks on him coming from college as the system he was in tended to give easy reads and open receivers.

Sound familiar?

No.

Some said Mahomes was too much of a gunslinger, and would throw a ton of INTs due to overconfidence, a la Favre. And Mahomes intelligence was one of the reasons the Chiefs were high on him.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...

The Chiefs invited Mahomes on an official visit to Kansas City, spending six hours peppering him with questions and tests. Reid gave a brief primer of Kansas City's offense, then asked him to diagram some plays.
"Patrick went up to the chalkboard and did the pro plays perfectly, which you're not supposed to be able to do," Steinberg said. "He was instantly able to adapt to the Chiefs terminology, and it showed how instantaneous his learning pattern is."

Goff couldn't figure out where the sun rises and sets, even after living in California his whole life, where, you know, he might have seen a sunset or two over the ocean, while living on the west coast. And there is a reason teams figured out that audibling late would screw with Goff. McVay doesn't trust him to make decisions, and talks him through presnap reads until the audio cuts off.

How many games should it take for him to figure it out, anyway. He's got nearly three seasons worth of starts in, although 7 of those games were with Fischer. I'm pretty sure he is who he has shown himself to be now. The fact that teams figured out the late audibles last season, yet, those still pose an issue for him this season is telling.

Was I the only one who just heard someone yell "Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Miss It?"

I thought the rule was the ground can't cause a fumble? Both knees were down before the ball came out as well. Is this part of the whole "officiating makes no sense" or am I just desperate for it to not count?

Guess that answered my question.

I might be in disagreement with you on Sanders, Garion. Boy is the MVP so far.

This feels much more Monday Night than it does Thursday Night so far.

If this was MNF, we would've gotten a Star Wars trailer, not one for the Joker.

That was awful Defense to close the half out. Why does Schwartz thing the best idea is to give each wide receiver ten to fifteen yards free? Is he hoping they'll make a mistake on their own?

Rogers is really good, though. Dunno if I've ever had the opportunity to watch a Packers game but he's really good at keeping his cool, he's really accurate, and that helmet makes him look old but that kind of says a lot given his ability.

Jayhawker wrote:
garion333 wrote:
Jayhawker wrote:
garion333 wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

* The quarterback with the most turnovers over the past 16 regular season games is not named Mariota, Mayfield, or Winston. It's Jared Goff, who has 13 INTs and 14 lost fumbles over that span.

Ever since the Lions gave the blueprint to slow down the Rams passing attack Goff has been decidedly average. With Kupp back this year there's no excuse. They simply haven't adjusted and found new wrinkles that work. Plus teams are disguising things until the very last moment to f- with Goff.

It's on the Rams to find a new way.

The problem is, Goff is a dumbbell. That's why waiting until after the coms shut off works so well.

I don't think he's dumb, I think he's vastly inexperienced in the same way many Air Raid QBs are. I'm not sure he's reached his peak in terms of understanding defenses, but diagnosing them was one of the huge knocks on him coming from college as the system he was in tended to give easy reads and open receivers.

Sound familiar?

No.

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How many games should it take for him to figure it out, anyway. He's got nearly three seasons worth of starts in, although 7 of those games were with Fischer. I'm pretty sure he is who he has shown himself to be now. The fact that teams figured out the late audibles last season, yet, those still pose an issue for him this season is telling.

Good gawd, Jay, I wasn't comparing him to Mahomes or talking down or about Mahomes at all. I was trying to say that Goff went from a college scheme that gave him easy reads with open receivers to an NFL team that gave him easy reads with open receivers.

I'm not sure how many games it should take, but I certainly wouldn't count his rookie year as anything but damage. Until midway through last season, Goff wasn't being made to diagnose things on his own. The passing manes were being opened by the scheme and he didn't have to do much more than read and react. Now that he has to do more he's struggling more, obviously. When will his knowledge ascension be complete? f*ck if I know, is Brady still learning sh*t? I have to believe he is.

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