Help me build my PC 2020 Catch All

Funny that I just got a thing from Comcast saying they upped my connection from 600 mbit to 800mbit at no cost. Sadly, the upload is still 18-19 mbit

I literally just swapped ISPs (well scheduled the installation for Monday anyway). We have two fiber providers in my neighborhood (Cox and AT&T) and I am tried of dealing with the first one.

Oh a newegg shuffle with a $400 3060, I think I can swing that.

Click enter shuffle... You're signing up for a video card plus an unnecessary $300 monitor combo. Items in the combo can't be returned individually. WTF.

When did newegg become sh*tty like GameStop selling new consoles with accessory bundles only? Screw this.

I’ve almost given up on shuffle and Best Buy and am starting to reconcile myself to the fate of eventually succumbing to an eBay scalper. Maybe I’ll make it a Christmas present to myself or something.

Stele wrote:

When did newegg become sh*tty like GameStop

Right about the time a Chinese tech company bought a majority stake, with whom they have since merged and gone public.

Stele wrote:

Oh a newegg shuffle with a $400 3060, I think I can swing that.

Click enter shuffle... You're signing up for a video card plus an unnecessary $300 monitor combo. Items in the combo can't be returned individually. WTF.

When did newegg become sh*tty like GameStop selling new consoles with accessory bundles only? Screw this.

You're odds of getting the shuffle is something like 1 in 100,000 anyway.

So, if what I read/watch is to be believed, the COVID pandemic plus crypto miners are inflating the gpu market. So the main thing really keeping me from building a pc again is that I can't get a decent gpu for less than 1k. Even brick and mortar options are gone because they never have replacements in stock. Is that correct?

Grenn wrote:

So, if what I read/watch is to be believed, the COVID pandemic plus crypto miners are inflating the gpu market. So the main thing really keeping me from building a pc again is that I can't get a decent gpu for less than 1k. Even brick and mortar options are gone because they never have replacements in stock. Is that correct?

I don't know about every brick and mortar store. It's possible some of the smaller stores might get some on rare occasions.

As for why it's so hard to get one. While Covid was part of the problem to begin with, not as much anymore. But the major factors are a drought, which affects production. Crypto miners, and scalpers. Way more demand for chips. Not just consumers, but car manufacturers especially for EVs etc. Also very few companies producing chips. TSMC being the major one! It's seems like just about everyone is using TSMC these days and they are trying to build new factories but those are years away from helping.

The scalpers are mostly just adding insult to injury, and are only a problem because the storefronts let them be. They sell it to the scalpers then let the scalpers jack the price up and sell it to the actual consumers, letting them double dip on each card they sell.

Ok. That blows. Looks like breaking into 4k won't be possible for less than $2000. Looks like I'll be getting something mid tier that I can build off of later if the market cools down.

Here's a question, though. My monitors are 10 years old so replacing them was always in my plans. I do eventually want to get a 4k capable machine. Would it be a good idea to get a couple 4k monitors now to be ready for the future?

I would look into it. Monitors are easier to get than GPUs at this point.

Depends on what your timeline for "the future" looks like.

If it's a year or two out, sure, good idea to get a couple 4k monitors. Beyond that, you're better off waiting until then - 4k monitors are still niche $$$ items. Give it a few years and prices will tumble.

That logic hold particularly true if your monitors are "good enough for now".

Grenn wrote:

So, if what I read/watch is to be believed, the COVID pandemic plus crypto miners are inflating the gpu market. So the main thing really keeping me from building a pc again is that I can't get a decent gpu for less than 1k. Even brick and mortar options are gone because they never have replacements in stock. Is that correct?

If you want a whole new build, you can get an Alienware or Origin PC with a current video card for regular price. I bought an Alienware with a 3080 and while it claimed it would be a 40ish day build, it shipped 8 days after I ordered it.

Yeah, pre-built systems aren't having a scalper issue, just delays.

fangblackbone wrote:

Funny that I just got a thing from Comcast saying they upped my connection from 600 mbit to 800mbit at no cost. Sadly, the upload is still 18-19 mbit :(

Yep, I actually went out to get a new cable modem, as my previous was only capable of going up to 400Mbit (I was able to squeeze about 450 out of it). Still very disappointed about the paltry upstream. I've been on the fence about cutting the cord to Sonic every year our cable comes up for renewal but once I add up the costs it ends up being nearly a wash. Once I consider the indirect switching costs, we just agree its not worth the hassle.

I calculated the costs and came to the same numbers, but completely different conclusion. Why pay Comcast all that money for crappy service when I can just buy episodes of shows I watched on Amazon or Google (or many other services), use an antennae for local content and get a better ISP (not everyone may have that last option though as cable is usually the better ISP option).

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GPU price trend line

From Reddit.

I wonder if there's going to be a crossover point where the mining economics stop being profitable and the market suddenly gets flooded with used/overdriven high performance cards.

BTW, according to the post, that trend line is normalized by the GPU's hash rate. Doesn't change the story though.

The crazy thing is, these sorts of trends and short term greed have historically led to crashes. Which means gamers will possibly get double f*cked.

fangblackbone wrote:

Which means gamers will possibly get double f*cked.

Yes! Finally!

What do you guys and gals think of this one? I could add another hard drive eventually. It could last me a good while, maybe?

Best Buy apparently had some 3am restocks according to Twitter. Heck I had just got woken up by the toddler at 2am. If only I stayed awake...

@Grenn - I see no mention of PSU. In the comments they said Thermaltake 600W which is kind of meh. Hypothetically the 3060ti will last you a while but you'd need a 750W for anything more powerful from Nvidia or AMD. Hopefully you have a better PSU in your current rig?

Or just buy a replacement power supply separately. In the current market, you could do a lot worse for extra expenditure.

The specs tab says 600w 80 Plus Gold, but it doesn't specify a manufacturer. 750W psu seems to cost around $100, so that's not so bad.

edit* Not that it matters since that one is out of stock and unlikely to be restocked in the near future. sigh

Ok, what do you guys and gals think of this one? Same issue with the power supply, but that can be fixed.

I really don't know what is good with intel anymore. I've heard the i5's are good but the i7's are lackluster. You could get some clearer advice from others here on that. But my gut tells me the other one is a better deal since the 3060ti is a noticeably above the 3060 despite it being paired with an i5 over an i7. Both are also a generation old intel cpus though again apparently the 11000 series is not appreciably better than the 10000 series.

My gut tells me I would not pay $100 more for an i7 with a 3060 over an i5 with a 3060ti.

Grenn wrote:

Ok, what do you guys and gals think of this one? Same issue with the power supply, but that can be fixed.

10700 is about on par with a Ryzen 5 3600. That's decent, if slightly dated.

The motherboard doesn't appear to allow for an 11th gen Intel CPU, so you'll be stuck having to replace everything if you ever want to do a CPU upgrade. But the upside is it's an ASUS board.

And while the high end of Intel's 11th gen stuff is awful (price/performance-wise), the mid tier is competitive with Ryzen. Problem is, good luck finding a prebuilt with 11th gen Intel. There's only so many to choose from, ya know? This one looks decent, but lacks the ASUS-branded motherboard.

Amazon with a bunch of PC parts on prime day. No video cards but lots of other stuff.

There's also a PC monitor category, a networking category, and a portable hard drive category. Some decent PC adjacent stuff today if you need it

This is what's so frustrating. Every pc I find seems to be sacrificing something important. I'm fine with Ryzen as well, I'm just not used to it.

edit* This one is more expensive but not outside the realm of possibility.