NCAA College Football 2019-20: Official Thread

MannishBoy wrote:

Vols Slay the Taxes and beat Indiana in a game they kept trying to give away.

Wild game ending. Touchdown followed by onside kick recovery with 4:00 left. A run for a first down by our senior receiver that wasn't really a first down that's marked back a yard on a review, followed by the center running up to the line and shifting the ball to earn a penalty. Stopping IU to keep them from kicking a go ahead field goal.

I half-watched a good part of that game. I was entertained! Wish I had felt better and stayed up for the end.

PS: Why in the world was Tenn starting a QB from New Jersey? I didn't think the SEC was allowed to recruit north of Virginia.

Enix wrote:

PS: Why in the world was Tenn starting a QB from New Jersey? I didn't think the SEC was allowed to recruit north of Virginia.

I think a lot of Vol fans would wonder why JG is still starting. He's exceptionally average most of time, with scattered in moments of horribleness (AL game) and greatness (Auburn last year).

Cal appears to have hired NFL veteran Bill Musgrave as its new Offensive Coordinator. Maybe Legion can chime in with some thoughts about his NFL successes (or lack thereof). Not sure how any of that translates to the college game (especially recruiting) .

MannishBoy wrote:
Enix wrote:

PS: Why in the world was Tenn starting a QB from New Jersey? I didn't think the SEC was allowed to recruit north of Virginia.

I think a lot of Vol fans would wonder why JG is still starting. He's exceptionally average most of time, with scattered in moments of horribleness (AL game) and greatness (Auburn last year).

And then they benched him last night because he apparently thought the end zone added five feet to the height of his receivers. Then he came back in and led his team to a win. Go figure.

Speaking of, doesn't Guarantano have a full-sleeve tattoo on his right arm and the other QB (I forget his name) have a full sleeve on his left? Like I said, I was only half-watching the game, but it occurred to me that maybe the Vols are going to try to make one good (and fully-tatted) QB out of the two guys they rolled out there in the Gator Bowl last night.

Enix wrote:
MannishBoy wrote:
Enix wrote:

PS: Why in the world was Tenn starting a QB from New Jersey? I didn't think the SEC was allowed to recruit north of Virginia.

I think a lot of Vol fans would wonder why JG is still starting. He's exceptionally average most of time, with scattered in moments of horribleness (AL game) and greatness (Auburn last year).

And then they benched him last night because he apparently thought the end zone added five feet to the height of his receivers. Then he came back in and led his team to a win. Go figure.

Speaking of, doesn't Guarantano have a full-sleeve tattoo on his right arm and the other QB (I forget his name) have a full sleeve on his left? Like I said, I was only half-watching the game, but it occurred to me that maybe the Vols are going to try to make one good (and fully-tatted) QB out of the two guys they rolled out there in the Gator Bowl last night.

I think you're right on the tattoos.

Mauer is the other quarterback that played last night. That guy has potential, but is currently too much of a risk taker for Pruitt to stomach IMO until he learns what Pruitt can allow on the field.

Pruitt you have to remember is from the Saban school where you win with defense and a competent QB that just doesn't beat you with mistakes. Until recently, Saban has won and won with mostly average QB's. Difference is, TN doesn't recruit at AL levels, so you're not as good across the board to make that style of play work.

I hope Harrison Bailey comes in and can make strides quickly. From the film I've seen on him, he could be the real deal and quickly take over from the QB's already on campus.

Something I saw on Reddit earlier:

Georgia high school passing leaders all time = Trevor Lawrence, Deshaun Watson, Jake Fromm, Harrison Bailey

Fed, looking like you guys won/lost the Zachary Evans saga as evidently the Dawgs have let him out of his NLI and the crystal balls are pointintg your way. I hope he can figure things out as he's obviously very talented.

Clemson vs. LSU next Monday night, featuring this year's Heisman winner and probable No. 1 overall pick vs. the guy who probably will win the Heisman/go first overall a year from now.

Who you got?

The Tigers.

LSU by two touchdowns. I just don't think their offense can be slowed down this season.

The champs are still the champs until someone beats them. 29 in a row is impressive.

Monday might be that time finally. But I wouldn't bet against Clemson yet.

I too think LSU just looks stronger than Clemson. I think this is LSU's year.

Badferret wrote:

Fed, looking like you guys won/lost the Zachary Evans saga as evidently the Dawgs have let him out of his NLI and the crystal balls are pointintg your way. I hope he can figure things out as he's obviously very talented.

What a crazy ride. I've been following his recruitment for at least a year, and it still isn't settled somehow! Do you have any insight into why UGA is letting him walk? Is it just as simple as holding onto a kid who has had a change of heart makes you look bad?

Also, the analyst at TexAgs who follows him is only giving us a 20% chance right now.

Enix wrote:

Clemson vs. LSU next Monday night, featuring this year's Heisman winner and probable No. 1 overall pick vs. the guy who probably will win the Heisman/go first overall a year from now.

Who you got?

It has been LSU's year, and I think it will continue to be. Also, we played both Tigers in both Death Valleys, and we hung with Clemson better but couldn't get out of our own way. With LSU, we weren't even in the game.

I don't know what the point spread is, but I'm calling toss-up. LSU is tremendous, but so is Clemson, and Dabo & Co with an extra few days to prep will come up with something great. Then again, LSU's Joe Brady is a pretty smart guy, too.

Fingers crossed for a fun, close game.

Fedaykin98 wrote:
Badferret wrote:

Fed, looking like you guys won/lost the Zachary Evans saga as evidently the Dawgs have let him out of his NLI and the crystal balls are pointintg your way. I hope he can figure things out as he's obviously very talented.

What a crazy ride. I've been following his recruitment for at least a year, and it still isn't settled somehow! Do you have any insight into why UGA is letting him walk? Is it just as simple as holding onto a kid who has had a change of heart makes you look bad?

Also, the analyst at TexAgs who follows him is only giving us a 20% chance right now.

Nobody really knows. I've heard everything from test scores to his suspension from his high school state title game was over something more serious than a cell phone and that it's Kirby's decision. Personally, he seems talented enough that I'd say roll the dice. /Shrug

As a football fan I'm really looking forward to Monday Night's game. As a marching band guy I'm really NOT looking forward to hearing Tiger Rag every few minutes.

Well now.

ACC folks, tell me about Jamie Newman. Fed, know anything about D'Eriq King. Carl, if you can stand talking about them, KJ Costello?

Things are definitely going to be different in Athens later this year.

Carlbear95 wrote:

Cal appears to have hired NFL veteran Bill Musgrave as its new Offensive Coordinator. Maybe Legion can chime in with some thoughts about his NFL successes (or lack thereof).

If you want to have the 18th ranked offense in the NFL, Musgrave is your guy.

No idea how he translates to the college game. In the NFL, he's been a pretty old school West Coast guy, not much in the way of an innovator. But well respected and never a disaster.

Badferret wrote:

Well now.

ACC folks, tell me about Jamie Newman. Fed, know anything about D'Eriq King. Carl, if you can stand talking about them, KJ Costello?

Things are definitely going to be different in Athens later this year.

Is he the QB from Houston?

Fedaykin98 wrote:
Badferret wrote:

Well now.

ACC folks, tell me about Jamie Newman. Fed, know anything about D'Eriq King. Carl, if you can stand talking about them, KJ Costello?

Things are definitely going to be different in Athens later this year.

Is he the QB from Houston?

Yes, and your answer, answers my question about your knowledge of him.

All I know about Jamie Newman is he might be quarterbacking for the Ducks next year. However, to be honest I like what I've seen from Tyler Shough so it would be ok if Newman went to Georgia instead.

Don't really know too much about Costello. I know he was highly regarded, but in a conference that is always known for its QBs, I'm not sure he was in that category. He was given high props coming into this year mainly because he was one of the few above average returning QBs, but he was injured for most of it.

That being said, he did get into stanfurd, so he's no dummy. I'm sure he's a very capable quarterback, that won't lose games for wherever he ends up.

Badferret wrote:

Well now.

ACC folks, tell me about Jamie Newman. Fed, know anything about D'Eriq King. Carl, if you can stand talking about them, KJ Costello?

Things are definitely going to be different in Athens later this year.

Newman's a lot of fun. He's a great runner and a decent passer, someone who can be a good college QB. He made Wake Forest watchable, which is a rare feat.

Downside: He has played only about one full season -- the latter part of 2018 and most of 2019 (minus a couple of games with a hurt non-throwing shoulder). Wake slid toward the end of the season, and I don't know how much of that's on him or the fact that Wake's Wake.

How do you feel about losing Fromm? And does Fromm really think he's going to get an NFL job?

Once upon a time, a college All American O-Lineman goes to the NFL, but has an off season knee injury that ends his career. He then has some kids, some strapping young lads. Moves back to his old college town near where he was raised.

His oldest kid seems like a chip off the old block and is a 5 star OL recruit. He commits to the old man's Alma Mater way early, because the family loves the legacy home town school. The school seems to be recovering some of its past glory, and the kid wants to be a part of it.

The son's senior year starts to look bad for the school. Then it turns really bad, and the coach that had been there for a few years is fired mid-season. A coaching search begins, and quickly becomes a debacle. The kid is getting calls from other powerhouse programs.

The committed to school finally settles on a coach after looking high and low. It's a first time head coach, but he has some pedigree. The school also gets a new AD, who is actually the father's beloved old coach. Thing seem to be settling down, but the school is still a bit of a laughing stock for how embarrassing the whole coaching change was handled on top of nearly a decade of football missteps.

What's the kid to do? What's best for his career? How does he fulfill his destiny to play in the NFL?

He decides to go to another school that is doing better right now. School has a renowed position coach that has put a bunch of kids in the NFL. During his signing ceremony, he decides to play it up and throw the hat of the father's school across the room and show the new school's shirt off from underneath his button down. Fans of the dad's school are upset. Give the kid a lot of grief on social media. Bad scene all around in the home town.

Then the dad's school shows some signs of improvement with the new coach. Things are looking up for the home town college, and excitement is high. The younger brother is now a 4 star OL, and commits early to the dad's school. Seems to be a fan favorite because not only is he going to the school, he's recruiting all kinds of other kids. Brother signs early and starts school early.

Now the real drama starts to come to light. During the older brother's recruitment, the dad literally has a finger partially amputated at a function at the new school during a function on campus in an incident with a folding chair. Lawsuits are filed before the statute of limitations run out against the school, the chair manufacturer, and others.

Older brother decides his situation may not be the best there with his dad suing the school. Maybe I should just go play with my brother at the home school?

He notifies his school's coach that he's going to leave. Rumors are the old school's administration leaks the lawsuit info to make the family look bad after they hear he's leaving. Older brother is now going home to play with his brother at his father's old school.

Attorney's are hired to try to get immediate eligibility. Will the fan base accept the talented player?

This is the story of Cade Mays, UT, UGA, his brother Cooper, and his father Kevin Mays.

You couldn't make this crap up.

https://volswire.usatoday.com/2020/0...

Yeah, no.

UGA didn't leak the story of the lawsuit. Reporter who found the filing on the internet has confirmed as much and UGA has officially stated that as well.

I won't be shocked if Cade gets his wavier but I also think it's equally likely that he doesn't as I think there is a growing resistance to the "hardship" wavier.

I hope this is what Cade really wants because he's risking not ever playing another down of college ball maybe just to please pops.

In other SEC news. Because a kid pretended to pee like a dog, Lane Kiffin and Mike Leach now coach in the SEC.

Enix wrote:
Badferret wrote:

Well now.

ACC folks, tell me about Jamie Newman. Fed, know anything about D'Eriq King. Carl, if you can stand talking about them, KJ Costello?

Things are definitely going to be different in Athens later this year.

Newman's a lot of fun. He's a great runner and a decent passer, someone who can be a good college QB. He made Wake Forest watchable, which is a rare feat.

Downside: He has played only about one full season -- the latter part of 2018 and most of 2019 (minus a couple of games with a hurt non-throwing shoulder). Wake slid toward the end of the season, and I don't know how much of that's on him or the fact that Wake's Wake.

How do you feel about losing Fromm? And does Fromm really think he's going to get an NFL job?

Newman has supposedly made his decision, so get ready for "Hello, Newman" being said by Ducks or Dawgs.

As for Fromm, he is probably going to be QB 4 or 5 this year, but that's the same range he would be in next year and I've seen some analysis that there might be more day one QBs taken this year than next, based solely on need.

In the future, Kirby clearly wants to go Dual, see the recruitment of Fields. We have a 4 star Pro style kid coming in this year's class but he is much more mobile than Fromm and we are after the top rated Dual and Pro QBs for 21, likely taking who ever commits first.

Finally, for Fromm's actual prospects, I think he will be a long time NFL back up. His game IQ is great but his skillset ceiling probably caps out at average at best. I'm sure Legion could offer more insight.

Badferret wrote:

Yeah, no.

UGA didn't leak the story of the lawsuit. Reporter who found the filing on the internet has confirmed as much and UGA has officially stated that as well.

I've heard that, but also heard that another reporter confirmed he was told about it by GA. Which came first? Who knows.

In the end, it's public info. The lawsuit was filed leading up to a legal deadline. Could it have been filed to help the transfer? Maybe? But it was also before Pittman accepted the job at Arkansas.

It's a crazy story. And I don't think it's to please his dad. I suspect if his dad's suing the school and his respected position coach leaves, he'd want out with a bonus of playing with his brother.

I grew up in a small town in the same county as the town his dad grew up in (dad played high school in Kingston, TN). His dad was rumored to be not-the-nicest guy in high school. Don't know if that was true or not, as I was in college when he played. Cade in high school IIRC was known for lots of personal fouls, so may be more like his dad in that way.

End the end, UT traded a Wolf brother for a Mays to be named later?

(Alternative punch line: The Mays just gave GA the finger?)

As to waivers, I think there's a growing movement that a lot of people buy into that these kids should get one free immediate eligibility transfer. Then if you want to move again, you sit out.

I'm all for it. But they'll need to adjust the scholarship allowances for the schools to allow for this. Last year, UT was down something like 25 scholarship players (out of their 100 allotment) due to the coaching changes and transfers related to that. Maybe not a 1 transfer to 1 new signee to try to keep schools from running off kids, but something to keep things level.

After all, coaches change all the time with no penalty to them. Why should the kids be stuck, when they're not getting paid millions to play?

Yeah, I think that's where things are heading with waivers in the long run but last year's QB carousel happening while lower profile cases of actual family members with medical hardships we're denied soured many of the apparent randomness of the current position. And I'm getting the sense that Georgia fights this one, where as the didn't challenge Fields last year.

Dawgs will be fine at OL even though Mays is the fourth departure. Pittman stacked up 4 and 5 star linemen like firewood.

Vols visit to Athens later this year is going to be spicy.

Badferret wrote:

And I'm getting the sense that Georgia fights this one, where as the didn't challenge Fields last year.

I think Pruitt and Smart generally don't like each other

As for whether he plays, I don't know enough about that stuff. But the lawyer he's retained (Tom Mars) to work with the NCAA is actually a consultant with NCAA on a lot of stuff, and one of the Athletic reporters today says the guy's never lost a case to the NCAA when he's worked on eligibility cases. He represented Fields and others.

This could be the Vols line next year after Trey Smith decides to come back:

Smith (#14 recruit in 2017)

Cade Mays (#22 recruit in 2018)

Darnell Wright (#10 recruit in 2019)

Wanya Morris (#28 recruit in 2019)

Brandon Kennedy (6-year player)

From @SECMike

After years of sucky line play, maybe we'd be OK with that?

Looks like Newman to Georgia.

Enix wrote:

Wake slid toward the end of the season, and I don't know how much of that's on him or the fact that Wake's Wake.

Wake is always going to be Wake. Losing to them with Lamar should have been enough to fire Petrino before the 2-10 disaster. Losing to Wake should have been a sign.

Satterfield will never let such shame come to my school.