NCAA College Football 2019-20: Official Thread

Fedaykin98 wrote:

I still like the bowl system, though. It's fun, and lets any decent team get one last game, take a trip, and entertain us during the holidays.

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Seriously... this doesn't doesn't happen without the bowl system. I don't even know who played in the CFB playoffs last year.

Jeff Tedord has stepped down as coach at Legion's beloved Fresno State over health concerns.

Hopefully he will be able to just retire and move on. This is the 2nd or 3rd time he's had to step away from Football for health concerns.

Cal fans certainly appreciate everything he did for this program. He elevated the program as high as it has ever been (F-U Mack Brown for denying us the pinnacle), got us the needed stadium renovations and filled the stadium in a way it has never come close to since.

Get healthy coach and enjoy your life. You've given enough already.

Carlbear95 wrote:

Jeff Tedord has stepped down as coach at Legion's beloved Fresno State over health concerns.

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Wishing nothing but the best for Jeff. Things did not go well for Fresno's season this year, and hearing this news, it makes more sense.

We don't need 16 teams, that is wayyyy too many. There are about 4-7 teams every year that have a legitamate claim to having a shot at the national title. If you lose in your conference championship game then you shouldn't be in a national playoff. You essentially just lost your first playoff game. There are times when a group of 5 team might deserve to be in it, but theres never been a time when 5 or even 3 of them had a legitimate claim.

pizzaddict wrote:

but theres never been a time when 5 or even 3 of them had a legitimate claim.

What determines if a claim is legitimate or not is actually playing the game.

*Legion* wrote:
pizzaddict wrote:

but theres never been a time when 5 or even 3 of them had a legitimate claim.

What determines if a claim is legitimate or not is actually playing the game.

By that argument, would an undefeated team like UCF (or back in the day Marshall) not have a legitimate claim because 1) they are in a small conference and 2) no big-boy school will play them because they are too scared to lose?

That team should defintely be in a playoff. In my earlier scenario of 6 teams that would have been the 1 at large team for sure. I'm just saying a team like UAB this year shouldn't be considered for a playoff spot. They don't deserve it, nor does Fla Atlantic. Both those teams have 3 losses, have beaten absolutely nobody and one of them would be in the playoffs if we say that each of the group of 5 conference winners should be in too.

I'm also probably the odd one here who doesn't like having 64 teams in the basketball tourney and would prefer it to be more like 24. There's no point in all these 10-16 seeds that have no shot at winning it being included in the tourney. With that said, in baseketball there is nothing else after the regular season so it at least gives these teams something to play for during the season. In football you still have all the bowl games for teams to play in that didn't make it to the championship playoffs.

If the NCAA recognizes a conference and they have a championship game then they deserve a chance even if they are one and done. Having only the sure winners play is BORING.

Like I said, the other football conferences has done it for years so just copy what they do.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:
*Legion* wrote:
pizzaddict wrote:

but theres never been a time when 5 or even 3 of them had a legitimate claim.

What determines if a claim is legitimate or not is actually playing the game.

By that argument, would an undefeated team like UCF (or back in the day Marshall) not have a legitimate claim because 1) they are in a small conference and 2) no big-boy school will play them because they are too scared to lose?

My point is that legitimacy is determined on the field, and any system which denies teams a path to establishing that legitimacy on the field is itself illegitimate.

A system that says, "well you play in our league, and you won your conference, but we don't think you could actually win the tournament, so you're out" is unacceptable.

The only system in which every team has a true path to competing in the league is one in which every conference winner goes into the postseason tournament. It's why every other sport with conferences/divisions works that way. It's why all of college football outside the FBS works that way.

Yep. 16 with 10 conference winners is the only fair way.

And guess what, when those other small conferences have a realistic shot to win the whole thing, those smaller schools will start keeping 4 and 5 star talent home in town/state instead of losing them to Alabama or Clemson.

That's why you have programs like Gonzaga or Butler in men's basketball that compete and sometimes make the final four.

Stele wrote:

Yep. 16 with 10 conference winners is the only fair way.

And guess what, when those other small conferences have a realistic shot to win the whole thing, those smaller schools will start keeping 4 and 5 star talent home in town/state instead of losing them to Alabama or Clemson.

That's why you have programs like Gonzaga or Butler in men's basketball that compete and sometimes make the final four.

EXACTLY this.

The system as-is creates the inequality, then dismisses the Group of 5 teams for losing with the deck stacked against them.

Almost game Time! As an Oregon fan I obviously want them to win, but there is a little part of me that would like to see Utah win so the pac12 would at least have a shot of being represented in the playoffs. If it wasn’t for recruiting I suppose I would pull for Utah since the Ducks season is basically over anyway.

*Legion* wrote:

A system that says, "well you play in our league, and you won your conference, but we don't think you could actually win the tournament, so you're out" is unacceptable.

Half the SEC AD’s just had heart attacks. Their damn paychecks would be at risk if they had to actually play quality group of five schools. The entire SEC philosophy is “earning” championships without playing the best teams. Hell, their 14 team conference schedule brings that same philosophy to conference games.

For me, it’s either all champions get invited, or no playoffs. What they have now is worse, because it pretends to be real. At least with a slate of bowl games we don’t have to pretend. It was always mythical, and the bowls contributed to the discussion. Then money got big conferences screwed the smaller ones out of bowl appearances. They added bowls so that 6-6 losers could get a bigger payday than champions of smaller leagues.

Enix wrote:
Fedaykin98 wrote:

I don't see how LSU could miss out with anything other than a terrible loss. They're currently undefeated, have decisively won most of their games, and their QB is likely to win the Heisman.

Oh, I agree. I think Ohio State and LSU would stay in the top 4 with a loss because they'd be one-loss teams who lost to other high-ranked teams. Quality loss, baby!

If Clemson loses to UVa, I think it's only 50-50 that they drop out. They're defending champs, after all. Let 'em lose it on the field instead of in the board room. But it's Clemson, and they're due for a CFB selection committee Clemson-ing.

Also, it would make Dabo SUPER MAD, and that's the best Dabo there is.

If Georgia loses, they'll definitely drop out, and either Utah (only if they win) or Oklahoma-Baylor winner gets the 4 seed.

My prediction: Ohio State, LSU, Clemson and Oklahoma in that order. I'd rather see Utah, tbh, but the committee loves nothing more than to d!ck over the Pac 12.

I think this is all correct, but the really funny thing would have been if Dawgs hadn't beaten themselves against USCe, there would have been a very high likelihood that the playoffs would have been set already with the UGA/LSU game not mattering.

As far as the playoffs, let's go with 16.

I actually don't think it would have much impact on recruiting, 5 stars largely care about getting to the NFL and right now they think maybe 8 schools help that cause more than the rest. But, the occasional rare year where App beats Michigan (or even Georgia) in the first round of the playoffs would be worth it.

Sure, let’s reward teams for losing 3 games while playing absolutely nobody but winning the championship in their lousy conference. No thanks! If you want to realign the conferences to make them more fair I’m all for that. If you want to force teams to play at least 1 group of 5, I’m all for that. If you want to put a lousy UAB or Central Michigan or Fla Atlantic, No Thanks!

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Seriously... this doesn't doesn't happen without the bowl system.

My favorite part of bowl season last year. The Mona Lisa of bad football.

I thought Utah’s defense was supposed to be good? Nice way to end the season for Oregon. Next year should be a bit of a transition year with a new QB and a new offensive line.

pizzaddict wrote:

Sure, let’s reward teams for losing 3 games while playing absolutely nobody but winning the championship in their lousy conference. No thanks! If you want to realign the conferences to make them more fair I’m all for that. If you want to force teams to play at least 1 group of 5, I’m all for that. If you want to put a lousy UAB or Central Michigan or Fla Atlantic, No Thanks!

This. There is no system without issues.

How about twelve teams, auto-bids for conference winners plus two at-large, and bys for the top four?

If power five schools would schedule the top team in those “lousy” conferences, you might have a point. But in the NCAA, they get to write their own schedules.

The other part of this is that those lousy conferences could grow and become better if they weren’t frozen out of good bowls and the playoffs. It would take a few years, but you would see more parity if Group of Five were treated as conferences and not pawns.

Because the next step towards becoming a reputable league would be for the NCAA to set all schedules for all conferences. Force 1st place teams to play first place teams like the NFL does.

Right now, college football championships are the most pathetic awards in sports. It’s so bad, some schools look to jump conferences, to find one that will game the system for them better instead of actually improving their programs.

I don't disagree. I'd love to see a restructuring of conferences or scheduling to get more parity. I just don't want to reward mediocre teams to do it.

There is no proof the conferences would become more powerful if they were invited every year. We haven't seen that in basketball. It's still the power 5 and then the others where each year you get a few good teams from the group of 5. You have Gonzaga in basketball that has found a way to be competitive every year just like you have Boise State in football but it's not like the whole West Coast conference has gotten competitive with the ACC because Gonzaga gets to go to the tourney ever year.

We need to find a way to reward teams like UCF or Boise State in football, just don't do it by letting a team not worthy get into a playoff. Maybe the compromise is 8 teams, the 5 power conference champions and 3 at large where at least 1 or 2 must be from the group of 5.

Anyway, LSU looking good early. I hope they win and Georgia is out. If we are only going to have 4 teams than I really think they shouldn't allow 2 from the same conference. I'm ok with LSU, Ohio State, Oklahoma and Clemson. Those are probably the 4 most deserving teams this year anyway.

Proposition: If you complete a pass to yourself and get a first down, you get a point.

Well, thanks for coming Georgia.

Related: Do we really even need to have a Heisman ceremony this year? Can't they just mail it to LSU now?

Clemson with the strong start, INT then TD drive

I was expecting LSU to win, but maybe not as definitively as that. Best of luck to them in the playoffs.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

I was expecting LSU to win, but maybe not as definitively as that. Best of luck to them in the playoffs.

I kinda was. Swift being banged up was our last gasp of a chance. We were constipated on offense to begin with, but losing Cager, Pickens for a half and Swift being gimpy....

I thought the D played okish, but they needed the offense to apply some pressure.

I'll be rooting for the Tigers from here on.

Badferret wrote:

I'll be rooting for the Tigers from here on.

Clemson or LSU?

Haha.

Considering Auburn with a lake is occasionally kinda of a rival, let's go with LSU.

My Non-Georgia SEC rooting interest for anyone who thinks I'm just being an SEC homer. I generally root for LSU (my parent's grad school alma mater) and I'll root for Fed's Aggies and that's about it.

I will actively root against the orange schools plus Bama.

I'll also root for OU.

If the title game is OSU vs Clemson, uh I might go get some kind of painful surgery just for fun instead.

YOU BETTER NOT BLOW THIS NOW WISCONSIN, I DEMAND CHAOS

I can't decide which hafltime locker room speech I'm more curious about: Ohio State's to get them back in the game or the one in Wisconsin's that made them forget how to football.