2019/20 Soccer Thread

Roke wrote:

I know it was every two years so Chuck Blazer and Jack Warner could embezzle more TV money but it really should be an every 4 year tournament in the non-WWC part of the cycle.

It really, really should. But $$$$$$$.

Sorbicol wrote:

Edit: Good choice of Thread banner too!

Either that or a bunch of Fulham players looking dejected they let in another goal.

I like the Gold Cup being every two years. Is there such a thing as too much international soccer? The men could use the practice...

I knew it was going to happen, but it's still sad to see the powers that be set upon Ajax and begin taking all their best players.

Prederick wrote:

I knew it was going to happen, but it's still sad to see the powers that be set upon Ajax and begin taking all their best players.

You can't say Lucas Moura didn't try to throw them off the scent. What a hero.

Rafa is leaving Newcastle United...

Ashley not prepared to give him the funds. Gary Monk is the current leading contender to take over. A couple of bookies have already paid out on Newcastle getting relegated next season.

Sorbicol wrote:

Rafa is leaving Newcastle United...

Ashley not prepared to give him the funds. Gary Monk is the current leading contender to take over. A couple of bookies have already paid out on Newcastle getting relegated next season.

Checked the relegation odds a few days ago when it looked to me like Rafa staying wasn't going to happen. Think they were 6-1, which seemed high if he left but low if he stayed.

I was expecting this but I'm still disappointed. A part of me still can't believe he stayed after we got relegated, and for last season as well. If we had an owner with more ambition than to cut costs everywhere and use the club as a billboard for his primary business Rafa might have been able to do something special.

Names I've seen tossed out there are Gary Monk (could be worse, I guess) and Avram Grant (which would be worse, but thankfully been rubbished).

I did a trade list last summer, and figure I'd do one for this year as well.

Shifted
* Williams - ✅ out of contract
* Jagielka - ✅ out of contract, hope he gets to play somewhere though
* Jonjoe Kenny - ✅ (Schalke 04) Loan
* Vlašić - ✅ (CSKA Moscow) Undisclosed

Outbounds
* Maarten Stekelenburg - my assumption is that Lössl has been brought in to fill a similar role, but with more ability.
* Cuco Martina - that he is still on our books is an embarrassment. Cannot imagine we will get anybody to take him even for free. Probably my top priority to get rid.
* Brendan Galloway - hasn't performed well enough to keep, in my opinion. If the staff still sees potential, maybe a loan to give him a last chance to shine.
* Luke Garbutt - as with Galloway, sell or loan.
* Antonee Robinson - probably would benefit from going on loan. Not convinced he's Digne's understudy long-term, but up for giving him a chance.
* Matthew Pennington - I think Mason Holgate edges him as cover, though that's assuming we get Zouma (or some other senior CB). If not, Holgate / Pennington may be our cover.
* Idrissa Gueye - I would like to keep him, but if PSG are willing to pay a good fee, we should sell and reinvest in the squad
* James McCarthy - never the same player after his injury. May still do a job for a newly-promoted side, or a team in the Championship.
* Morgan Schneiderlin - flog him to a team in Ligue 1, if any will take him.
* Muhamed Bešić - breaks my heart, but given that he wasn't bossing things at Boro, don't think he's going to do cut it here. (Don't tell Psych)
* Kieran Dowell - give him the preseason to make an impression, but my gut is that it's time for him to move on.
* Theo Walcott - had a decent first half-season with us, but his pace is largely gone, and I think his wages are far too high for what he offers. Maybe back to Southampton for a swan song?
* Ademola Lookman - like Vlašić, clearly not interested in being here. Like Vlašić, showed some potential, but hasn't earned a starting spot, and seems unwilling to work at it.
* Henry Onyekuru - hopefully we have learned that any signings need to be contingent on the players being able to get a work permit and actually play for our team.
* Yannick Bolasie - the biggest value he provided was keeping Lukaku happy. That isn't a role we have needed for quite a while. Sell to anyone who will have him.
* Kevin Mirallas - struggled at Fiorentina on loan, and reportedly was a nexus of bad morale before going on loan. Sell or give away.
* Cenk Tosun - I feel bad that he hasn't done better, but for whatever reason doesn't seem to be a match for the Premier League. Maybe he could go back to Beşiktaş?
* Oumar Niasse - not suitable for this level.
* Sandro Ramírez - the most expensive free transfer we've ever had I think. His wages make offloading him a problem. I don't know how much it'd cost us to get out from under his contract, but the situation is probably grim enough that it should be considered.

Inbounds:
* Jonas Lössl - (Huddersfield) free transfer

For some reason I thought Aaron Lennon was still at Everton but nope, I was actually thinking of Theo Walcott.(Please stop giving post-prime English players big wage contracts Everton. You could be doing so much better).

Don't think I've ever been as wrong about a signing anywhere than I was with Schneiderlin. No idea if his good form at Southampton was all Poch whispering (Sissoko was good in central midfield this year for Spurs in a pinch. SISSSOKO!).

Please stop giving post-prime English players big wage contracts Everton.

And you think you are tired of that...

Everything I'm reading says Tanguy Ndombele will be a really nice signing for Spurs.

Dimmerswitch wrote:

* Theo Walcott - had a decent first half-season with us, but his pace is largely gone, and I think his wages are far too high for what he offers. Maybe back to Southampton for a swan song?

YOU TOUCHED IT IT'S MOTHER WON'T TAKE IT BACK NOW DIMMER!

Zaha wants to leave Palace for Arsenal, and Aaron Wan-Bissaka to ManU for £50m seems to be a done deal.

United have offered Wan-Bissaka a long-term contract and wages of up to £80,000 a week.

He is on £10,000 a week at Selhurst Park, the lowest-paid player in Palace's first-team squad.

I feel reasonably sure that any living human being would jump at that.

Prederick wrote:

I feel reasonably sure that any living human being would jump at that.

Yeah. Even for Man U.

Wait, one of their most desirable players was receiving the lowest wage on the first team? That doesn't engender loyalty.

To be fair, he's 21, this was quite literally his first season as a first-teamer and he's been a complete revelation.

I also doubt that Palace can come anywhere near matching those wages.

Roke wrote:

Everything I'm reading says Tanguy Ndombele will be a really nice signing for Spurs.

And City are apparently going to drop about 10m more around to land Rodri Hernandez (23) from Ateltico. Heir apparent for Fernandinho.

I'll believe the Spurs move when it actually happens because of obvious history + the supposed price tag.

It's been fairly slow transfer wise in the EPL as a whole tho.

Do apparently PSG are saying they want Dembele and Coutinho for Neymar.

Eh, I'd take it. The only reason I'd be reticent about it is that it might leave me thin on depth on the wings.

Prederick wrote:

Do apparently PSG are saying they want Dembele and Coutinho for Neymar.

Eh, I'd take it. The only reason I'd be reticent about it is that it might leave me thin on depth on the wings.

Coutinho yes - I seriously doubt they’d give up Dembele.

Problem is Barca don’t have a lot of money and nobody else can match PSGs asking price or Neymar’s wage demands.

I wonder if we’re starting to see the limits of the hyper inflated football transfer?

Sorbicol wrote:

I wonder if we’re starting to see the limits of the hyper inflated football transfer?

I want to say yes, but next week someone will get transferred for like $300M and I'll look like an idiot.

Also, watched Brazil beat their bête noire Paraguay on penalties. I'm still rooting for Messi to get an international trophy though.

Prederick wrote:
Sorbicol wrote:

I wonder if we’re starting to see the limits of the hyper inflated football transfer?

I want to say yes, but next week someone will get transferred for like $300M and I'll look like an idiot.

Also, watched Brazil beat their bête noire Paraguay on penalties. I'm still rooting for Messi to get an international trophy though.

I think it's the cost to the individual clubs that's now the issue - not just the cost of the transfer but also the cost of the wages. Real/Barca/PSG/Man City/Man U have sort of created their own little league now as the only clubs that can really afford - or be willing to pay - what some of these players ask for. And to give City their due, it's not really a game that they play.

In semi-related news, AC Milan got booted from the Europa League for FFP violations.

On the one hand, I can't imagine that Milan is super sad about not being in the Europa League (beyond the TV $$$ they'll miss out on), but man, it's weird to see them in this position. When I got into soccer, the first full CL Final I watched was Juve v. Milan (more impressively, I didn't give up on the game entirely after that). I remember them being European royalty, and last year they were 22 points off of the title, and that was their best season since 2012-13.

Oh, and Argentina/Brazil in the Copa America semis on Wednesday! That should be a ton of fun, two teams with enormous, crushing expectations that they can't seem to live up two, with fanbases that borderline hate them.

Didn't Nottingham Forest get new, hopefully better, owners a while back? Club still seems to be a clown show, with Paul Lambert fired a day after Roy Keane left as his assistant.

Colombia - Chile in an hour and 18 minutes!

Dreadfully slow transfer window so far in the EPL

United officially sign Wan-Bissaka for £45 + 5 in potential add ons.

Maybe that will shake things.

Man United rumored to be in for Sean Longstaff too (only £25m, so I'd want them to be told to take a hike) and I saw they apparently offered Marcus Rashford a £250k/week contract. Rashford must be grateful for the Sanchez transfer moving up their wage structure.

I still love that Sanchez-Mkhitaryan swap. Both teams lost and it was entirely foreseeable.

In other news, Canada's MNT blew a 2-nil lead to lose against Haiti in the Gold Cup. Looks like my "crap until at least 2026" belief is being validated.

Speaking of the Gold Cup, I'm watching over the air on Univision (a Spanish station), and the commentator keeps switching to English to say "Houston, we have a problem!" (Tonight's double-header is taking place here.)

Lack of VAR meant that a penalty kick was wrongly (imho) awarded to Costa Rica vs Mexico, and if CR knocks them out I will bet money we have VAR in 2021.

So Mexico wins (boo) and Brazil beats Argentina, meaning Messi still doesn't have a international trophy.

Prederick wrote:

So Mexico wins (boo) and Brazil beats Argentina, meaning Messi still doesn't have a international trophy.

If only he had played for Spain...

Lampard to Chelsea is official.

Meanwhile, Sepp Blatter is suing FIFA.