Star Trek: Picard Catch-All [Spoilers]

Links to the various versions of the teaser trailer herein.

More details should be forthcoming over the next several months, but for now, we got wine!

My concern is that they will lose the optimism that was Rodenberry's vision. Star Trek was supposed to be about how humanity improved, grew out of our more evil tenancies. I think they have gotten farther and farther from that vision of the future.

Some would say that it is more realistic but I would say that fiction isn't supposed to be realistic anyway!

farley3k wrote:

My concern is that they will lose the optimism that was Rodenberry's vision. Star Trek was supposed to be about how humanity improved, grew out of our more evil tenancies. I think they have gotten farther and farther from that vision of the future.

Some would say that it is more realistic but I would say that fiction isn't supposed to be realistic anyway!

Honestly, I hope they do. Roddenberry's vision was fine as a starting point, but TNG was a bad show until they cut him out of the creative process. The conflict within humanity's nature is always going to be a more compelling story than Roddenberry's future version of the white savior trope.

It does sound like the position Picard finds himself in is the result of something really bad that happened during whatever happened 15 years prior referred to in the narration.

Was that really bad thing not...

Spoiler:

the death of his brother and nephew?

That’s kinda what I assumed because of the vineyard.

pyxistyx wrote:

Was that really bad thing not...

Spoiler:

the death of his brother and nephew?

That’s kinda what I assumed because of the vineyard.

Well, there are rumors about the plot out there already:

Spoiler:

Apparently, this takes place in the new JJ Abrams timeline, and the rescue armada the voice refers to is one sent to deal with the aftermath of the destruction of Romulus.

I'm in but I hate the idea of CBS All Access, so gotta figure something out.

Can I VPN my Netflix to not be in America? Is that a thing?

Rat Boy wrote:

It does sound like the position Picard finds himself in is the result of something really bad that happened during whatever happened 15 years prior referred to in the narration.

And DS9 did a great job deconstructing the idea of the paradise narrative. All “great” progress or society comes at a cost.

The Dominion War was due in no small part to the inherent conflict between the Federation’s colonist labor force and the Federation’s greater societal mores.

Picard could be a phenomenal look at the human cost of a life dedicated to service. You can be a great hero and still grow and develop in a way that reflects the tragedy of your heroic experiences.

Spoiler due to possible thread flame territory. Skip if you don’t want to read about the other “Star” series.

Spoiler:

Luke Skywalker’s attitude towards war and conflict and his religious beliefs in The Last Jedi is brilliant. I wanted to be a Jedi Master when I was a kid. The allure of power and excitement and adventure can be big hallmarks of youth or a youthful spirit.

However, people change over time. I had my big adventures. I never flew an Xwing or a snow speeder but I have driven an M1 tank and was a gunner on an ASV.

I have never saved a galaxy but I did help save an ambushed convoy once.

And what’s interesting is I remember more the people we couldn’t save. Conflict, death, and suffering impacts everyone exposed to those things. Luke Skywalker, Jedi Master, turned away from that life when he realized he was powerless in the face of conflict and death. He didn’t destroy the Second Death Star, Vader, or his Emperor. They all destroyed themselves. He didn’t save his friends trapped on the forest moon or in space. They saved themselves.

He wanted to save his father, Anakin. He could not. Anakin chose to save himself.

Luke came to know he was powerless but the idea of him was quite powerful.

He did not need to fight Kylo Ren or the First Order. They were already fighting him.

His very final act was a reflection of that and one of the most Jedi things imaginable. They wasted time and effort pursuing a ghost.

The ghost of Picard is fascinating to me. I would love a series in which Picard, an old done man, simply tells his story in his home.

We think of Picard’s home as being the Enterprise. What does Picard think of that?

trichy wrote:

Well, there are rumors about the plot out there already:

Spoiler:

Apparently, this takes place in the new JJ Abrams timeline, and the rescue armada the voice refers to is one sent to deal with the aftermath of the destruction of Romulus.

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trichy wrote:
pyxistyx wrote:

Was that really bad thing not...

Spoiler:

the death of his brother and nephew?

That’s kinda what I assumed because of the vineyard.

Well, there are rumors about the plot out there already:

Spoiler:

Apparently, this takes place in the new JJ Abrams timeline, and the rescue armada the voice refers to is one sent to deal with the aftermath of the destruction of Romulus.

Er, no.

Spoiler:

The destruction of Romulus caused Nero and Spock to end up in the JJ Abrams films; everything that happened after including this series still exists in the original timeline.

Not likely, but similar to the movie Metropolis: upper society doesn't notice what's propping up their society, the lower class who are kept hidden until "Maria" brings the children up to see the upper class, and "Freder" is curious as to who she is, who they are, and where they come from.

Stele wrote:

I'm in but I hate the idea of CBS All Access, so gotta figure something out.

Can I VPN my Netflix to not be in America? Is that a thing?

Yes, but some caveats:

Well all of those list Prime for in the US, not or out. Ugh.

My VPN isn't on the good or bad list. Guess I'll just have to try it sometime.

pyxistyx wrote:

Was that really bad thing not...

Spoiler:

the death of his brother and nephew?

That’s kinda what I assumed because of the vineyard.

That happened 8 years before Nemesis. He's already grieved, moved on, and stayed in StarFleet.