NFL 2019: Draft

garion333 wrote:

Edit: To be clear, we're still giving Legion sh*t for the Jags drafting Bork and that happened five years ago.

And it's only because of Bortles replacing him that it's not sh*t talk about Blaine Gabbert being drafted 8 years ago.

I think I teased Milkman about fat Josh Freeman for longer than Josh Freeman was an NFL quarterback. But not for longer than Josh Freeman has been fat, which is not possible.

*Legion* wrote:
garion333 wrote:

Edit: To be clear, we're still giving Legion sh*t for the Jags drafting Bork and that happened five years ago.

And it's only because of Bortles replacing him that it's not sh*t talk about Blaine Gabbert being drafted 8 years ago.

I think I teased Milkman about fat Josh Freeman for longer than Josh Freeman was an NFL quarterback. But not for longer than Josh Freeman has been fat, which is not possible.

It's still absolutely insane to me that Gabbert is employed. Why does Bruce Arians keep hiring him?

garion333 wrote:
*Legion* wrote:
garion333 wrote:

Edit: To be clear, we're still giving Legion sh*t for the Jags drafting Bork and that happened five years ago.

And it's only because of Bortles replacing him that it's not sh*t talk about Blaine Gabbert being drafted 8 years ago.

I think I teased Milkman about fat Josh Freeman for longer than Josh Freeman was an NFL quarterback. But not for longer than Josh Freeman has been fat, which is not possible.

It's still absolutely insane to me that Gabbert is employed. Why does Bruce Arians keep hiring him?

Because he could be a starter!

garion333 wrote:
whispa wrote:

To King and others..Damn man, let it go? Time will tell if the move was a good one or not. If not a good one, he's gone. If good, he will be praised.

You want people to move on already? Seriously? The draft was last weekend.

Edit: To be clear, we're still giving Legion sh*t for the Jags drafting Bork and that happened five years ago.

Bortles threw passes in the NFL. Jones hasn't even started rookie camp and some people are labelling him as a bust already. Not saying you are but all these draft and player wizards is just tiresome. Maybe I need to start ignoring it until Jones actually throws some passes and plays actual games.

Or not worry about it. If Jones turns out to be a franchise QB, all those people will say that they always knew he was.

Doesn't matter at all either way.

tboon wrote:

Or not worry about it. If Jones turns out to be a franchise QB, all those people will say that they always knew he was.

Doesn't matter at all either way.

Unheard of!

garion333 wrote:
*Legion* wrote:
garion333 wrote:

Edit: To be clear, we're still giving Legion sh*t for the Jags drafting Bork and that happened five years ago.

And it's only because of Bortles replacing him that it's not sh*t talk about Blaine Gabbert being drafted 8 years ago.

I think I teased Milkman about fat Josh Freeman for longer than Josh Freeman was an NFL quarterback. But not for longer than Josh Freeman has been fat, which is not possible.

It's still absolutely insane to me that Gabbert is employed. Why does Bruce Arians keep hiring him?

Best guess is he's a great locker room guy and a bit of a coach on the field who will do anything you ask. Basically Josh McCown with better hair.

whispa wrote:
garion333 wrote:
whispa wrote:

To King and others..Damn man, let it go? Time will tell if the move was a good one or not. If not a good one, he's gone. If good, he will be praised.

You want people to move on already? Seriously? The draft was last weekend.

Edit: To be clear, we're still giving Legion sh*t for the Jags drafting Bork and that happened five years ago.

Bortles threw passes in the NFL. Jones hasn't even started rookie camp and some people are labelling him as a bust already. Not saying you are but all these draft and player wizards is just tiresome. Maybe I need to start ignoring it until Jones actually throws some passes and plays actual games.

The Bottles pick was laughed at at the time because it was largely thought by all those draft and player wizards to be a hilariously bad pick. Just like the Jones pick. I'm not a draft wizard at all, but a lot of football people I admit think it was completely and patently insane to take him there, and even Gettleman's stated reasoning is just plain nuts. I can't find a YouTube link to embed for Mina Lines and friends' reactions to this, but I'll just paste the Twitter link in.

[url=https://twitter.com/espn/status/1121...

Sure, everybody knowledgeable about football might be wrong here, or . . . they might not.

It wasn't like Bortles or Jones weren't in the 1st round discussion, but they were picked way earlier than expected.

Gene Smith consistently screwed over the Jags organization by drafting players earlier than expected and I don't even have to mention the name Bryan Anger to make my point. He didn't bother trading down and taking the chance he might miss the guy he wanted, he just took the guy. It's an emotional decision, really, and he's happy he got the guy he wanted. Doesn't matter he could've gotten him 20 spots lower and picked up extra draft stock, he got his guy.

The smartest GMs make the calculated risks to move down and don't massively reach for players.

What boggles my mind the most is that these kind of reaches are usually guys with some elite physical traits.

Say what you will about Bortles, but he had all of the Ben Roethlisberger "big QB" physical tools. His arm strength was never in question, he could take a beating without getting hurt, and running the ball is the only thing he did at a consistently high level, as far as QB running goes.

Jones has no real elite physical tools, they're just all kinda adequate across the board. Top shelf physical tools are your margin for error. You can be great without them, Drew Brees is. But the weaker your physical skill set is, the sharper and quicker you better be mentally.

Maybe Jones is on the cusp of developing into a stronger passer than he showed at Duke or the Senior Bowl. He'll get his chance to show it.

He does have some running ability, but you'd think Drew Lock would've been the QB out of all the QBs (other than Kyler Murray) who would've been over drafted but he went in the 2nd.

Heck, I expected someone to jump up for Haskins and he dropped to a reasonable spot.

There's just not that many teams that need QBs right now so when the draft class puts out a mediocre crop teams finally don't do stupid stuff and overdraft. Finally!

Except the Giants.

Even if you missed out on your QB, the Cards were desperate to unload Rosen. You could've taken a stud pass rusher and shipped off a much later pick for Rosen. I get it, damaged goods, and clearly Gettleman thinks it takes someone special to put up with NY's media and fans. But there had to be someone willing to come up a few spots for someone. Supposedly the Raiders' phone didn't ring when they were on the clock, so maybe not.

I wish I had actually said it so that I could crow about being right later, but I had strongly suspected that there would be no trade market in the top 10. And that was almost true, with the surprise exception of Pittsburgh coming all the way up to #10 for Devin Bush.

But with Kyler Murray going #1, there was no other QB that was going to potentially stir any movement. The 49ers weren't going to let Bosa slide past #2, and they were going to require a monster deal to convince them to give up the pick. Guys like T.J. Hockenson and the two Devins (Bush especially) were top 10 guys because of a lack of blue chips at premium positions. And the one blue chip guy that did slide was Josh Allen, and with such a deep edge rusher class beneath him and Bosa, teams had too many better value alternatives to trading away huge chunks of draft capital to move up.

One thing that does surprise me is the Giants not extracting something out of the Jaguars to get them to swap pick #7 for #6. With them signing Foles, they would have been no threat to draft Jones. Josh Allen was on the board. I wonder if they tried. Maybe it was such a poorly kept secret that the Giants were going to take a QB there that the Jags didn't feel like they had to? Or they were just willing to live without Allen and take Hockenson.

Yeah I didn't like taking Jones so early either. I wanted Josh Allen...badly. I was hoping the Giants would get Rosen for a 2 or 3 which would allow them to get Allen and maybe a stud LB. If Gettleman and Shurmur have such a high praise for Jones and thought he wouldn't be there by 17, I get it, take the guy. I don't know what else they tried, ie moving up from 17 to 8 etc but this is where it's at. Jones had a horrible Oline and stale WR's and RB's. He made the most of his situation so I am willing to see that play out.

Hell, I didn't like the Saquon pick last year. Nothing against him but the position itself and fact that QB was the position i wanted, specifically Darnold. The RB position has such a short shell life that I am not a big fan for taking one so high. He ended up being a great player so far and exciting to watch.

If Jones doesn't pan out and the Giants continue to lose, Gettleman is gone and the Giants pay for it for years to come.

Stay tuned as they say.

In something I read they tried trading for the 10th pick. I can think of a few different scenarios of what they'd do to get that pick, moving up or moving down, but can't recall when it was they were in talks.

It's not just Jones though, it's also taking a run stuffing DT with the 17th pick. It's the *one* position other than RB that the Giants had covered.

He redeemed himself with the CB pick (or so I read). So it's not *all* bad.

So this clears everything up in the Tyreek Hill case... not.

Hill's lawyer details abuse denial in letter to NFL

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So much of that reads like an abuser talking with his victim about all those good times where he wasn't abusive.

Tyreek didn't call her a bitch in text messages. Good job Tyreek. Just said it to her face in a threatening manner.

The kid "lights up" when he sees his dad. Yeah no sh*t, children are desperate for parental affection, abused children most of all. If that kind of statement is supposed to somehow prove Hill isn't abusive, it's extremely far off the mark.

And my god, those quoted text messages sound like someone speaking directly into a wire. "It was me. I am the guilty party. This statement is intended as an admission of guilt."

That entire letter is a sh*t-show. I doubt either party is innocent, so there's probably some truth in the mother being guilty of something. But it seems like the tactic here is to bob and weave around any specific instances getting pinned on Tyreek.

Yep.

My wife and I have fought, yelling at each other and saying some pretty mean stuff. I don't remember a single argument or fight we have had in which we texted insults and arguing. The mean stuff is always face to face. so I don't think their texts necessarily represent their relationship, at all.

Will be interesting when neutral forensics starts going through the texts. I don't think they can get away with faking conversations like this. Something will trip them up.

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Eagles signed LB Zach Brown for $3 mil.

Eagles are the NFC Patriots.

Free agency picking back up post-draft.

Seahawks visiting with Ziggy Ansah and Shane Ray, looking for that replacement for Frank Clark at LEO.

Colts bring in $wag for a tryout! This is not a drill!

Guess who needs money is excited about the progress the NFL has made against concussions and wants to play football again? Anthony Davis

*Legion* wrote:

Guess who needs money is excited about the progress the NFL has made against concussions and wants to play football again? Anthony Davis

Someone needs money.

*Legion* wrote:

Colts bring in $wag for a tryout! This is not a drill!

Still can't believe they're the only team giving him a look, but it does also suck that it's a team that has an entrenched starter.

garion333 wrote:

Still can't believe they're the only team giving him a look, but it does also suck that it's a team that has an entrenched starter.

Just gotta get back in the game, play a few games as a spot starter over a couple of seasons, and become the next Garoppolo. (In Jacksonville, after Foles peters out)

This replay review in the Kentucky Derby's making replay reviews in the NFL seem like Vine videos by comparison.

As someone who spent a whole lot of his childhood and teenage years at the local track, I've always thought the way replays are handled in racing is super dumb, not least of all because the people making the rulings are compromised in one way or another. They're all involved in the local track politics (and there's a ton of politicking -- the intertwining relationships between all the people at a track is worse than high school), and they're often still involved in the sport as owners or jockey agents or whatever. So their rulings are often nonsensical and inconsistent, and it's real easy to see that there might be some bias issues.

I've always thought that the best way to handle it would be to give 5 random spectators the chance to be stewards on a given day. They'd get to see the races from a unique vantage point, plus you'd pay them whatever a typical steward gets paid for a day. Have one person there who could explain to them the rule that was supposedly violated and let the randos vote on the outcome. I guarantee you'd see faster and better results.

Some of the NFL rules are probably too complicated for something similar to work. It might be fun though.

*Legion* wrote:

the surprise exception of Pittsburgh coming all the way up to #10 for Devin Bush.

I'm really excited to see that btw. We had a legit top 10 defense for a good stretch of 2017, then I have no idea what happened to Artie Burns and we lost Shazier.

Also hoping a bunch of bandwagon fans got the hell out now that Bell and Brown are gone.

*Legion* wrote:

I think Pat McAfee has become possessed with the spirit of Randy Savage.

I hope we hear a lot more of him. I mean, they gave Witten a shot at commentating.

I'm also biased because his Polamalu video is amazing, and Polamalu was my first jersey. https://youtu.be/f13ahvYl0PE

Here's something delightful: Yahoo picks the 10 worst NFL team drafts of the 21st century.

Not surprisingly, the Raiders draft of JaMarcus Russell ranks first. The Jags are in there twice, but neither is the Bortles draft. (The Jags-picked-a-punter draft came in at No. 5.)

Bonus: Daunte Culpepper factors into the second- and third-worst drafts on the list.

The Panthers 2016 draft (Vernon Butler) got an honorable mention. Can't say I disagree, as Carolina declined Butler's option for next year and seem inclined to cut him unless (and even if) he gets a lot better this season.

Enix wrote:

Here's something delightful: Yahoo picks the 10 worst NFL team drafts of the 21st century.

Not surprisingly, the Raiders draft of JaMarcus Russell ranks first. The Jags are in there twice, but neither is the Bortles draft. (The Jags-picked-a-punter draft came in at No. 5.)

Bonus: Daunte Culpepper factors into the second- and third-worst drafts on the list.

The Panthers 2016 draft (Vernon Butler) got an honorable mention. Can't say I disagree, as Carolina declined Butler's option for next year and seem inclined to cut him unless (and even if) he gets a lot better this season.

Blaine Gabbert is mentioned though, so it's still an awesome article!

Also, Justin Blackmon turned 29 years old this year. He's younger than Antonio Brown.

Derrick Harvey is such an odd one, because if a clone of him entered the draft next year, he'd still get drafted in the 1st round. It didn't help that the Jaguars jerked him around position-wise - the Jags experimented with a 3-4 and Harvey ended up playing 3-4 DE as well as OLB when his athletic profile is pretty clearly 4-3 end. That doesn't explain away his entire career of low productivity though. He just wasn't explosive enough, and probably didn't work hard enough because he didn't really endear himself to the coaching staff, it seems.

He still blew the doors off the DE that was drafted ahead of him though: Vernon Gholston.