Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order - Catch All

Why would Apex Legends be not comparable? It's a massive release from the same studio within EA. Just because its pricing model is different doesn't mean it should be cast aside as an example. If anything it's a positive in that Apex Legends was a trend breaker and Fallen Order is from the same studio.

Vector wrote:

Why would Apex Legends be not comparable? It's a massive release from the same studio within EA. Just because its pricing model is different doesn't mean it should be cast aside as an example. If anything it's a positive in that Apex Legends was a trend breaker and Fallen Order is from the same studio.

It's not a massive release. Apex is like 50% re-used Titanfall assets and I'm sure its budget was a fraction of the budget for a licensed AAA title. There is a reason the freemium model is becoming more and more popular: because you can make a lot of profit from it for a comparatively smaller investment versus a $60 AAA release. The fact is the last few AAA releases that EA has put a lot of time and resources into developing and marketing have been varying levels of disaster. If that trend keeps up it wouldn't surprise me if EA moves entirely in the direction of "freemium and sports games."

And Respawn making them both is neither here nor there.

Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order – Launch Trailer

Middcore wrote:
Vector wrote:

Why would Apex Legends be not comparable? It's a massive release from the same studio within EA. Just because its pricing model is different doesn't mean it should be cast aside as an example. If anything it's a positive in that Apex Legends was a trend breaker and Fallen Order is from the same studio.

It's not a massive release. Apex is like 50% re-used Titanfall assets and I'm sure its budget was a fraction of the budget for a licensed AAA title. There is a reason the freemium model is becoming more and more popular: because you can make a lot of profit from it for a comparatively smaller investment versus a $60 AAA release. The fact is the last few AAA releases that EA has put a lot of time and resources into developing and marketing have been varying levels of disaster. If that trend keeps up it wouldn't surprise me if EA moves entirely in the direction of "freemium and sports games."

And Respawn making them both is neither here nor there.

Actually Apex development was started before TF2 so not really re-used.

Fallen Order is Unreal 4

Two weeks to go, I'm so excited for a new Star Wars single player game

Citizen86 wrote:

Two weeks to go, I'm so excited for a new Star Wars single player game

Agreed. I really love this genre of action/adventure games - Horion Zero Dawn, God of War, and others like this seem to be all I finish these days.

For some stupid reason I thought this was coming out the 25th, not the 15th.

Is it going to be available on EA Access or whatever their subscription service is called? If so, which tier of it - IIRC they've had $10 and $20 tiers or something.

Hedinn wrote:

Is it going to be available on EA Access or whatever their subscription service is called? If so, which tier of it - IIRC they've had $10 and $20 tiers or something.

I would assume it's the same as all their other new releases where the Basic tier of Origin Access gives you a 10 hour trial and the Premier tier you can play as much as you want. I wonder how far into the game you could get in 10 hours though, would be hilarious if it's like a 12 hour campaign.

Incidentally, PSA because there seems to be confusion about his in some quarters, it looks like EA plans to essentially bring their Origin Access subscription service to Steam once they put more of their stuff on Steam, except they're calling it EA Access there instead of Origin Access. I already saw at least one person in a Twitch chat yesterday claiming "EA will let you play your games on Steam but only if you pay them a subscription fee, can you believe those jerks?", which is absolutely not what is going on.

Rather looking forward to this (especially as I finally played Titanfall 2 earlier this year). Think I'll still wait for reviews, just because newer EA games have not really been grabbing me at all.

I do wonder if this releasing on Steam might be a mixture of grabbing a larger audience, having more leverage to get a better deal with Steam (didn't Steam say they would negotiate better deals with bigger publishers? Also, with Epic around, Steam doesn't quite have the bargaining power it once had).

Hmm just saw the Steam news this morning. Might be getting this sooner than I thought.

This game intrigues me. I don't really follow Star Wars but melee combat in that world sounds interesting and I like Respawn.

I am not sure how experience related Souls mechanics are going to work with platforming bits. It will probably be really dependent on how they handle checkpoints/bonfires placement. It's going to suck to lose all experience and be forced to re-fight the respawned enemies due to a stupid jumping sequence. I don't like platformers and I am not good at them.

But then again, thanks to Origin Access, I am willing to try.

Missed this thread. I'm actually interested in the game, though I think it's been demo-ing poorly. I feel like the E3 demonstration was designed to slowly reveal what the player can do little by little, and never really gave a sense of what you'll look like after you've spent hours getting good with the controls and abilities. Later demonstrations feel like the guy is just... not very good.

However, I'm interested in what they're selling. Like others, my eye twitches whenever Dark Souls comparisons are made, but after Hollow Knight and Darksiders 3 I've learned that it's not necessarily the Souls-formula I dislike, it's elements of From's execution of it. Granted, Hollow Knight was a 2D game whose mechanics drew from different sources, but Fallen Order looks to take the general Souls idea but draw from a variety of other action games as well.

I'm optimistic about this one.

Middcore wrote:
Vector wrote:
Middcore wrote:

I wonder why EA decided to make this move now.

Actually now that I remember their last two big releases on PC were Anthem and Battlefield V maybe this isn't so perplexing.

The last big EA release was Apex Legends and that’s a massive hit. So this is perplexing when looked from games only.

Apex Legends is F2P. Not comparable. They are on a bit of a bad run as far as their AAA traditionally-priced stuff goes, really going back into 2017 with Mass Effect Andromeda (which became a meme) and Battlefront II (which made them money but also generated a sh*tstorm of negative publicity).

Middcore wrote:
Vector wrote:

Why would Apex Legends be not comparable? It's a massive release from the same studio within EA. Just because its pricing model is different doesn't mean it should be cast aside as an example. If anything it's a positive in that Apex Legends was a trend breaker and Fallen Order is from the same studio.

It's not a massive release. Apex is like 50% re-used Titanfall assets and I'm sure its budget was a fraction of the budget for a licensed AAA title. There is a reason the freemium model is becoming more and more popular: because you can make a lot of profit from it for a comparatively smaller investment versus a $60 AAA release. The fact is the last few AAA releases that EA has put a lot of time and resources into developing and marketing have been varying levels of disaster. If that trend keeps up it wouldn't surprise me if EA moves entirely in the direction of "freemium and sports games."

And Respawn making them both is neither here nor there.

There's a lot of back-and-forth here that I don't think is really what's on EA's mind. In regards to Apex Legends, it was a surprisingly large initial release, but its player numbers swiftly gave way to Fortnite again. I'm trying to find official numbers of current players of Fortnite, Overwatch, and Apex, but unfortunately everyone's trying to obfuscate it to make their game look like it's doing the most amazingly successful yaaaaaaay. Apex wasn't a flash-in-the-pan, but it didn't have nearly as much staying power as Fortnite or Overwatch. Enough to have a dedicated playerbase, though, and that's all that's necessary to be successful. Normally "merely successful" isn't enough for EA, who wants everything to be the biggest selling blockbuster ever, but given the past couple years they've had I think they're more than willing to be grateful for the positive buzz Apex Legends generated.

As for why EA would do this regardless, note that Origin is still going to be running when you load the games. It's like Ubisoft's UPlay, where you buy the game on Steam but then it loads up on UPlay anyway. This will be guaranteed to get more players on the EA Origin platform, which can then hopefully get them more willing to purchase things from Origin or buy into Origin's game pass thing or what have you. It has less to do with how well their current games are doing and ways to get more users on their platform.

While I don't agree with their conclusion that some of the gaming community's EA-centric apprehension is unfair, there's at least one early hands-on article saying the game is solid:

https://www.geek.com/games/hands-on-...

Is everyone else still sitting on their reviews because of an embargo or is everyone too busy watching Disney+ to write them?

Looks like the embargo is only lifted on the evening of the 14th.

EA seems to be playing a lot of 'we don't want any spoilers to come out,' which seems... concerning. No early access via EA Access either for the same reasons.

Aeazel wrote:

Looks like the embargo is only lifted on the evening of the 14th.

EA seems to be playing a lot of 'we don't want any spoilers to come out,' which seems... concerning. No early access via EA Access either for the same reasons.

Wait, do you mean no early access preview, or do you mean Origin Access members don't get the 10 hour trial at all?

I pre-ordered it last night on the PSN Store, so I'll be playing it Friday regardless.

I'm preordered on Steam.

I'm not too concerned with the NDA and no early access, if they're proud of the game and story it makes sense to have it set up like this, even if the only other explanation is "it's terrible and they don't want people to cancel preorders"

Reviewers who have played at least a couple hours have liked what they've seen, and although many reviewers have the game already but are under NDA, I haven't heard any make any implication it's not a good game.

Steam has a 2 hour refund just in case, but I'm pretty excited for this. It's been SO long since we've had a proper Star Wars single player game, as the last two games were Battlefront which don't really count, and there was a long lull before that. I'm really hoping this does well since it'd be nice to show EA we don't only want multiplayer loot box games, especially when it has anything to do with Star Wars

I have an Xbox One version coming from Amazon. Their refund policy is pretty liberal so I image if it sucks I can return it.

I hope it doesn't suck because it looks fun.

farley3k wrote:

I have an Xbox One version coming from Amazon. Their refund policy is pretty liberal so I image if it sucks I can return it.

I hope it doesn't suck because it looks fun.

I have a digital code for pc from Amazon but haven’t received the code yet for preload. It’s listed as release on Nov 14 at 9pm PST. Hoping the code is sent out earlier so I can preload otherwise I may cancel and go with Origin or Steam.

Middcore wrote:
Aeazel wrote:

Looks like the embargo is only lifted on the evening of the 14th.

EA seems to be playing a lot of 'we don't want any spoilers to come out,' which seems... concerning. No early access via EA Access either for the same reasons.

Wait, do you mean no early access preview, or do you mean Origin Access members don't get the 10 hour trial at all?

From my understanding, just the early access preview. It will launch for Origin Access the same time as for everybody else.

Citizen86 wrote:

, but I'm pretty excited for this. It's been SO long since we've had a proper Star Wars single player game, as the last two games were Battlefront which don't really count, and there was a long lull before that.

Yep, Star Wars: FU was so aptly named.

Still can't believe that crap got a sequel.

Aeazel wrote:
Middcore wrote:
Aeazel wrote:

Looks like the embargo is only lifted on the evening of the 14th.

EA seems to be playing a lot of 'we don't want any spoilers to come out,' which seems... concerning. No early access via EA Access either for the same reasons.

Wait, do you mean no early access preview, or do you mean Origin Access members don't get the 10 hour trial at all?

From my understanding, just the early access preview. It will launch for Origin Access the same time as for everybody else.

Well I have the basic tier of Origin Access so I'm pretty sure I don't get the whole game because only the high tier of Access gets full new releases, but I thought I would at least get the trial as a chance to check the game out, even if it wasn't before the release.

To tide me over, I've been playing the Star Wars Battlefront II single player campaign. It's a game I've had for over a year, and hadn't touched. It looks good, the story is pretty good so far, but ugh, it does not play well. It's a game designed to kill you quickly, due to the multiplayer, and I have died way too many times, even on the easiest difficulty. The checkpointing is not generous.

Looking forward to a proper single player game.

Also, I just got to Naboo, which was referred as "The Emperor's Homeworld" - I hadn't seen that before.

Honestly, if the game just has one instance where a Rodian screams "Maclunkey!" as you Force push them off a cliff, it'll be GOTY.

2 days to go, and I'm frustrated that no brick-n-mortar stores break street date any more.

Felix Threepaper wrote:

2 days to go, and I'm frustrated that no brick-n-mortar stores break street date any more.

Even the ma-and-pa ones? Those were how I got my hands on Halo 3 early.

Does it even matter if you require an authorization code to send to a server that won’t be active until the release date to turn on your game?

Felix Threepaper wrote:

2 days to go, and I'm frustrated that no brick-n-mortar stores break street date any more.

Here you go: https://www.reddit.com/r/FallenOrder...