I’ve really hit a wall on the third boss fight. Any tips? The bow and spear are my preferred arms.
Concentrate on T. They have lower overall health, and when they get down to 50% health start bringing in some very dangerous effects. Your strategy should be to wait for them to throw the spear, then get behind a column where the spear can't hit you. Once they do that, they turn their back to you and you can wail on them for a little bit until they get repositioned. Just try and stay out of A's way until T is dealt with. A has a pattern to their attacks, and once you learn it they become a little easier to deal with. Basically figure out when they're going to jump and when they're going to make a wild swing.
Some of this is just going to come down to having some particularly advantageous boons/weapon improvements until you get a little better at fighting them.
Heck I've hit a wall since the first boss changed. I can't beat the 2nd or 3rd option for that fight in 4 runs.
Last time I died there he said "I miss Meg" which was exactly what I was thinking. Great game.
After unlocking all weapons I did try a couple of the blood upgrades. Didn't help much. But I can see some of them being useful. Just need more blood.
Blind_Evil wrote:I’ve really hit a wall on the third boss fight. Any tips? The bow and spear are my preferred arms.
Concentrate on T. They have lower overall health, and when they get down to 50% health start bringing in some very dangerous effects.
For this reason, I always start off with A. Easy enough to lure behind a column, bait into attacks, and then dash and wail at the back for extra backstabs. Going after T and having the effects raining down is a lot easier for me without A to worry about (really, it depends on the effect, but a good number of them just make life more difficult).
One lovely thing: if you have deflect, you can deflect what T throws at you with proper timing.
I haven’t figured out the blood upgrades yet. It seems rare enough of a resource that I don’t want to spend it unwisely, so I haven’t spent any at all so far. I’m decently far on my mirror upgrades though.
kazooka wrote:Blind_Evil wrote:I’ve really hit a wall on the third boss fight. Any tips? The bow and spear are my preferred arms.
Concentrate on T. They have lower overall health, and when they get down to 50% health start bringing in some very dangerous effects.
For this reason, I always start off with A. Easy enough to lure behind a column, bait into attacks, and then dash and wail at the back for extra backstabs. Going after T and having the effects raining down is a lot easier for me without A to worry about (really, it depends on the effect, but a good number of them just make life more difficult).
One lovely thing: if you have deflect, you can deflect what T throws at you with proper timing.
Same strategy for me. I don't think I have ever killed T first. I always just focus on A and dodge behind pillars when necessary.
I haven’t figured out the blood upgrades yet. It seems rare enough of a resource that I don’t want to spend it unwisely, so I haven’t spent any at all so far. I’m decently far on my mirror upgrades though.
It's very rare early on, but you'll have plenty to play with later on.
Antichulius wrote:I haven’t figured out the blood upgrades yet. It seems rare enough of a resource that I don’t want to spend it unwisely, so I haven’t spent any at all so far. I’m decently far on my mirror upgrades though.
It's very rare early on, but you'll have plenty to play with later on.
When? I've had this since early access and I think I've gotten less than 15. I was hoping I'd log into 1.0 and have like 10 in inventory.
A first then T.
It's O&S if you've played dark souls (deal with the one that charges you first)
Dyni wrote:Antichulius wrote:I haven’t figured out the blood upgrades yet. It seems rare enough of a resource that I don’t want to spend it unwisely, so I haven’t spent any at all so far. I’m decently far on my mirror upgrades though.
It's very rare early on, but you'll have plenty to play with later on.
When? I've had this since early access and I think I've gotten less than 15. I was hoping I'd log into 1.0 and have like 10 in inventory.
When you beat the game consistently. You can get 2 drops per successful new heat level win, with a possible additional 2 (one via run econ for coins, one as trade of the T&S drop). So probably getting 3 a run.
I've found fishing, when it occurs, is also giving me lots of resources. Got to the point where I don't see the use of keys except for respeccing my character, so I can also see the trade system eventually being another avenue of getting higher tier rewards (slow, but steady). But yeah, beating the higher heat gives consistent Blood, to the point that I've unlocked all but the hidden aspects, and am now leveling the aspects I tend to prefer.
I respec'ed once after I got like 600 dark, so I could have 2 revives. But I guess I lost enough other bonuses, and with the boss change on area 1, I have struggled to make any progress.
Hopefully tonight I can get rolling again.
If you are still on heat 0 (haven't beaten the game) my advice is
- pick a weapon you like and stick to it
- Find the trinket of a god you want to always use, start with that
- Switch to charon trinket for floor 2
- once you are past that your choice of trinkets
- Keep grinding darkness/keys for the mirror which will really ramp up your starting power
Keep grinding, so much of this is just learning enemy patterns and focusing on dodging and taking minimal damage while leveling.
My one thing about T first vs. A (heehee), is that A's attack pattern is a lot more complicated, so it's a little easier to focus on getting hits in on T, and then figuring out that pattern with A alone. Especially since T's targeting reticule is real easy to overlook when things are fast and furious. But thinking about it, yeah I definitely see why you'd want to target A.
I've done it both ways; it may just be that I'm prejudiced towards taking out T because he's 1000000% more annoying as a character.
I respec'ed once after I got like 600 dark, so I could have 2 revives. But I guess I lost enough other bonuses, and with the boss change on area 1, I have struggled to make any progress.
Hopefully tonight I can get rolling again.
Boogle's tips are right on. The reason all those guides say to spend keys on mirror upgrades first is because they make a massive difference in your power level and ability to progress. Of course, there's nothing wrong with spending them on weapons first, but it is going to slow you down just a tad until you upgrade your mirror a bit more.
And all of this is only relevant if you're really fixated on progressing more quickly. I think I also went for weapon unlocks first and just went with whatever weapon had the darkness bonus on it at the time. Less efficient I suppose, but a lot more fun to me, and I still made my way to the end without too much trouble.
I've done it both ways; it may just be that I'm prejudiced towards taking out T because he's 1000000% more annoying as a character.
He is more annoying, but very manageable as long as he stays in phase 1. All you have to worry about is dodging spears. Dealing with both once T gets under 50% is pretty rough in comparison. I've done it it a couple times accidentally when I had a bunch of Athena buffs going and accidentally got him under 50% with deflect dodges alone.
Boogle's tips are right on. The reason all those guides say to spend keys on mirror upgrades first is because they make a massive difference in your power level and ability to progress. Of course, there's nothing wrong with spending them on weapons first, but it is going to slow you down just a tad until you upgrade your mirror a bit more.
And all of this is only relevant if you're really fixated on progressing more quickly. I think I also went for weapon unlocks first and just went with whatever weapon had the darkness bonus on it at the time. Less efficient I suppose, but a lot more fun to me, and I still made my way to the end without too much trouble.
Yeah, I definitely went weapons first. Even when I restarted, largely because I don't stick with one weapon, and don't find I hate any of them. In fact, I am shocked that I love the Fists of Malphon so much (and love both the the Talos and Demeter aspects, depending on what build I'm going for).
But the Hammer upgrades really do entirely change how some are played, which is also fun to discover (for me at least).
I beat the third boss finally, with the bow, by actually slowing down and focusing on avoiding them rather than trying to press the attack. A then T, and T was a lot easier.
I started a bow run at lunch and finally beat alternate area 1 boss. So looking forward to picking this back up after dinner. Maybe this is the one.
I prefer the furies in this order: Tisiphone > Megaera > Alecto. Tisiphone seems the most straightforward to me , whereas Meg can still take a chunk off with adds and a badly timed dash (although shotgunning her at close range with her own projectiles is delicious). Alecto is still painful for me but I think I’ve only seen her a few times so it’s probably just a case of less experience.
I started a bow run at lunch and finally beat alternate area 1 boss. So looking forward to picking this back up after dinner. Maybe this is the one.
Oh hell yes. 3rd area down finally.
I thought y'all were crazy talking about A & T because the first time there was just A. But now I get it. And I did take A down first. And it was easy.
But mostly because I have awesome boons going right now. Got a 3rd dash and Zeus lightning on it. Got crits on the bow special. Met Eurydice for the first time and that sweet sweet ambrosia. But most interesting I have DoT lightning from Zeus-Artemes duo on the collectibles for the cast. So I can just spit those 3-4 out and dodge around while everything dies. It's totally unfair. I mean I try to hit stuff still. But I don't really need to.
Might be a great run here, have to see how I do first time in the final area, but i have a sweet setup right now.
Just expect to die any time you are encountering something the first time. Dodge as much as you can, learn the tells.
Yep. Got the last (?) boss to 20% or so. When I got to a store that would have restored my revive I had 170 instead of the 200 coin I needed. Think I would have beat it with that. Oh well.
New god showed up at the start of the next run and that was fun.
Got another set of skills unlocked in the mirror. Progress.
It feels like every time I hit a shop and the revive refill is a viable option I am no more than 15 monies short of affording it >:(
Run 40ish and the Bone Hydra is now guaranteed, with A&T going down about 30% of the time. I’ve yet to beat Hades, but I know how to do it - he just hits so much harder than anything prior (40-80 damage per hit?!) that I’ve got to build the discipline to dodge everything rather than relying on the occasional absorb when things get busy. The progression just feels so spot-on, I feel like every single run is worth it so far; even those that start out wobbly end up achieving a lot more than an equivalent run in something like StS, BoI or DC:SS would net me. Loving it!
Well, heck. I was super poised to beat A&T, beat A solo mid level with little issue. Was hurt but fine. Then Death also shows up suddenly and holds a contest I’d never seen before so I panic and lose my last res charge that I needed for A&T. Had A nearly dead when I died. Ugh. Why this run, Death? Seriously.
Ha, that was super confusing for me the first time too, and he kicked my ass to boot. I got him the next time we met though :p I’m getting a serious spurned boyfriend vibe from him... And here’s me going all in on Achilles (yes, I know he’s got his own beau languishing in the underworld but a boy can dream right?).
r013nt0 wrote:Spikeout wrote:The much touted Hades is now in my library on the strength of reviews & word of mouth on here. I'm not Supergiant's biggest fan, enjoyed Bastion, didn't like Transistor & didn't play Pyre but I do quite enjoy roguelikes. Please let this click for me.
This is exactly where I stand with Supergiant.
Hades is incredible. Feels great, weapons are all very unique, abilities are great. Dialogue, voice acting, animations, art, music.. all fantastic.
To my mind, mechanically Hades is Bastion except they figured out how to get me to engage with all the systems. Instead of sticking with my favorite weapon loadout they give me a reason to use a different weapon for each run. Bastion had a "customize your own harder difficulty" system that I looked at once and never touched. Hades makes that the core of the meta-game advancement, and I'm enjoying it.
I also dig that this is a roguelike where every run is in continuity. That's not a conceit that would work for any game, but I like the story they're telling with it here.
Lite. Every single run* you are making some sort of permanent progress. New weapons, unlocks, decorations, something.
* I suppose if you really suck and get killed in the first room you won't make any progress
These two posts [from the Switch Games thread] sold me on buying Hades (on PC).
Seems pretty great so far. I'm still trying to get a hang of various iconography and terminology in the game, and trying to figure out what things I like. I've played 5-10 runs, unlocked 3 weapons, defeated the first boss twice, and made it to the second boss (?) once.
I've been tempted to google a bit about these characters (especially since someone mentioned about reading up on Sisyphus and not liking him as much afterwards) but finally decided against it.
Mostly, because I'm really liking the how the story is playing out. Whenever the game feels it's getting grindy for materials, I get new story bits and they're so well written they're written equivalents of Scooby Snaks.
I finally beat the final boss; I'll wrap in spoilers my build;
second aspect of Stygian blade with Daedlus upgrade for +2 HP recovery per attack.
I managed to raise my HP back to 100 by the time I reached Styx.
Ares' Doom with stacks for Attacks sped up 30% by Hermes, Demeter's chill for Special
Dionysus' hangover fog for Cast, even if as of late I've learned to love Athena's deflect roomba.
I always try to get Ares' Call and level it up as much as I can, but in this run I found Demeter's whirlwind near the top floor and decided not to pass it up. Fully charged Ares' Call is DA BOMB.
I don't know who's Duo I got, but my Call kept charging up 1% per second.
While I've learned the three bosses' patterns and tells and have learned to ebb and flow with their attack patterns, I still feel the final boss is OP, so I totally freak out and revert to smashing the attack button and dodge like a blind bat. Some sort of performance anxiety, even though I don't stream my gameplays.
Reached the fourth boss for the first time. Thought I had him but got FF’d...
Did it! Attempt 38, took 38 minutes and I was using the Adamant Rail of all things. Spoiler for those just hitting Hades:
There are, of course, two stages to the fight. Get ready for a much angrier but less healthy final form :p
Good tips? I have gotten to the first boss blundering around but I feel like I am probably not making wise choices.
Loving this - picked it up for ~ $10 with an Epic Coupon.
Gotten a couple bosses down with one weapon (bow), and started to really get into the unlock and upgrade system. Looking forward to exploring the other weapon sets - I'm assuming the game wants you to complete with all weapons (based on the icons on the map showing the weapon used)?
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