[News] RIP: George Bush Sr

He may have been the last Republican that I actually had respect for. RIP.

He’s been accused of groping by several women, not to mention war crimes in the Gulf, but okay.

He also appointed a sexual predator to the Supreme Court, and pardoned Regan admin officials who were illegally selling arms to Iran*. But at least he looked classy doing it.

*I mean, I'm pro-Iran, but a crime is a crime.

*Sigh* Really guys? Here? Place and time.

He was director of the CIA during Operation Condor operations in South America which backed the the overthrow of democratically elected governments throughout the continent through torture, murder, and political assassination of tens of thousands and the installing of repressive dictatorships.

The people currently being tear-gassed at the southern US border are fleeing the direct and indirect effects of those policies.

Also he didn't like broccoli.

You guys just can't help yourself here can you? I personally didn't like Bush all that much so I get it. Like ALL presidents he's done some horrid garbage to get that position. Then while in office did some more. But take that to the Political forum and hash that out. It's pretty disrespectful to come here and to that. The man died. Whether you agree with his policies or not, at least be respectful to those who may mourne him.

Classy.

Heaven forbid HRC or RBG die tomorrow and the right wingers show up in force to an Everything Else RIP thread.

I can't come here and list the man's achievements for his country?

Seriously though lionizing a man when he dies is every much as political a statement as criticizing him. Speak all of his legacy or none at all. I won't argue with anyone for speaking a positive opinion of the man and I'd hope others would afford me the same courtesy as we reflect on his life.

Feel free to post in D&D and set the scope to "positive statements only" and I'll shut my mouth.

Reaper81 wrote:

Classy.

Heaven forbid HRC or RBG die tomorrow and the right wingers show up in force to an Everything Else RIP thread.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Feel free to say anything true.

RIP GHWB. Being president is a messy job and unfortunately even decisions with good intent often lead to death. Always thought he was a good person despite not agreeing with all his positions.

MrDeVil909 wrote:
Reaper81 wrote:

Classy.

Heaven forbid HRC or RBG die tomorrow and the right wingers show up in force to an Everything Else RIP thread.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Feel free to say anything true.

Truth is highly subjective.

I remember the book "Speaker for the dead" and how he tired to lay out the good and bad of a persons life.

I am not saying what people should or shouldn't say but I do think people often want to only say nice things when people die and that does only show part of the whole person

farley3k wrote:

I remember the book "Speaker for the dead" and how he tired to lay out the good and bad of a persons life.

I am not saying what people should or shouldn't say but I do think people often want to only say nice things when people die and that does only show part of the whole person

For some, it’s a sign of respect towards the passing of a life and fellow human being.

It shouldn’t be an excuse to turn a blind eye to the choices a person made or the attitudes they held, for instance.

I could care less about what an individual forum goer thinks or feels about Bush.

But I do think that political comments, accusations, etc belong in the D&D forum. It comes across as disrespectful to your fellow forum goers when you just gotta thread crap about someone.

Most people don’t come to GWJ for that sort of behavior.

Reaper81 wrote:

I could care less about what an individual forum goer thinks or feels about Bush.

I have evidence to the contrary.

Delbin wrote:
Reaper81 wrote:

I could care less about what an individual forum goer thinks or feels about Bush.

I have evidence to the contrary.

Feel free to enlighten me on me.

Reaper81 wrote:

Most people don’t come to GWJ for that sort of behavior.

They come for recommendations of good headphones.

I recommend Sony Gold's. The are a premium experience at a reasonable price. And stylish too.

(I deny any payment by Sony or any of its subsidiaries)

farley3k wrote:
Reaper81 wrote:

Most people don’t come to GWJ for that sort of behavior.

They come for recommendations of good headphones.

I recommend Sony Gold's. The are a premium experience at a reasonable price. And stylish too.

(I deny any payment by Sony or any of its subsidiaries)

Oh, man. I got mine in Arctic White.

*mod*

I’d prefer the deaths of political figures go straight to D&D for obvious reasons. Moving thread.

Reaper81 wrote:
Delbin wrote:
Reaper81 wrote:

I could care less about what an individual forum goer thinks or feels about Bush.

I have evidence to the contrary.

Feel free to enlighten me on me.

*mod*

Whatever this is about, take it to PM.

Seems like basically his presidency was at about the average level of crappiness for a 20th century president. Which by current standards is unfortunately looking pretty good indeed.

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He didn't think Atheists like me were real people. Hard to get too misty-eyed about that. But, he was the last Republican president to have any respect at all from me.

It's hard to imagine a center-right Republican like him ever being President again. Only center-right Democrats as reactions to fascists to look forward to now.

I'm cool with folks saying whatever they want to say. Respect for only the good side of the dead is weird to me. They're dead. Let folks share what this person meant to them - good/bad/whatever - without being judged for it. That's a good show of respect right there.

I'll always see George Bush Sr. as a man of integrity in a world that doesn't appreciate that anymore.

From an American perspective, Bush Sr did a lot right. He was willing to work across the aisles and also helped guide the ship of state through the end of the Cold War, which was a significant achievement. He also seemed like a good family man which is something that you can’t take for granted among modern politicians.

I get though that non-Americans would see him in a less stellar light. I don’t know as much as I should about Operation Condor, but the crash reading I have been doing lately makes it sound like Bush Sr supported regimes that went far, far beyond just trying to stop Communist insurgents. And the Gulf War was largely unnecessary, even if the Iraqis were the aggressors.

As a queer person, his legacy for me will always be his administration's and the Reagan administration's non-response to the AIDS epidemic. I saw a post on Twitter noting that Larry Kramer outlived both of them, and that makes me happy.

Actually a negative response, as HIV research and health funding were cut even deeper during his presidency, as the epidemic expanded.

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5...

Ugh. Good point.