[Discussion] The Individual 1 Administration Thread 2

Let's follow and discuss what our newest presidential administration gets up to, the good, the bad, the lawsuits, and the many many indictments.

You left out this gem:

[Murdoch's] core viewers, he said, would be football fans; with this aim in mind, he had just bought the rights to broadcast N.F.L. games. Hundt told me, “What he was really saying was that he was going after a working-class audience. He was going to carve out a base—what would become the Trump base.”

Buttery males!

I wonder how many things like this have happened over the last two years that we don't know about.

LA Times: Post-Hurricane Harvey, NASA tried to fly a pollution-spotting plane over Houston. The EPA said no

Nothing like EPA and state officials refusing the help from the world's most advanced airborne air quality laboratory on the planet because doing so would produce hard data that'd contradict the official line that everything was just fine and that Harvey hadn't caused pollution even though it was parked over a heavily industrialized area of petrochemical production for days.

And there's a double helping of Trumpism to this story because the top Texas environmental official who told NASA to stay away, Michael Honeycutt, was appointed six weeks later to the EPA's Scientific Advisory Board, an independent panel of scientists who provide advice to the agency’s administrator.

Honeycutt has a long history of taking industry-friendly positions that do not reflect the scientific consensus on pollution. He advocated that reducing ozone--a pollutant that's especially harmful to people with asthma and respiratory diseases--would actually kill more people. He said that the EPA was being too strict with its regulation of mercury, a potent neurotoxin that can harm fetal development. He said the EPA was overstating the impact of hexavalent chromium, the chemical made (in)famous in the movie Erin Brockovich.

OG_slinger wrote:

And there's a double helping of Trumpism to this story because the top Texas environmental official who told NASA to stay away, Michael Honeycutt, was appointed six weeks later to the EPA's Scientific Advisory Board, an independent panel of scientists who provide advice to the agency’s administrator.

Honeycutt has a long history of taking industry-friendly positions that do not reflect the scientific consensus on pollution. He advocated that reducing ozone--a pollutant that's especially harmful to people with asthma and respiratory diseases--would actually kill more people. He said that the EPA was being too strict with its regulation of mercury, a potent neurotoxin that can harm fetal development. He said the EPA was overstating the impact of hexavalent chromium, the chemical made (in)famous in the movie Erin Brockovich.

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FDA commissioner suddenly resigns with the statement that he is doing so, “in order to spend more time with his wife and family.”

My cynical nature wonders what dirt is soon to arise.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...

Isn't that the excuse the James Cromwell used in Deep Impact?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/grab-that-record-how-trumps-high-school-transcript-was-hidden/2019/03/05/8815b7b8-3c61-11e9-aaae-69364b2ed137_story.html

In 2011, days after Donald Trump challenged President Barack Obama to “show his records” to prove that he hadn’t been a “terrible student,” the headmaster at New York Military Academy got an order from his boss: Find Trump’s academic records and help bury them.
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The former NYMA officials’ recollections add new details to one of the allegations that Michael Cohen, the president’s longtime personal lawyer and fixer, made before Congress last week. Cohen, who told the House Oversight and Reform Committee that part of his job was to attack Trump’s critics and defend his reputation, said that Trump ordered him “to threaten his high school, his colleges and the College Board to never release his grades or SAT scores.”

Manafort gets 47 months. What a travesty.

Paul Manafort sentenced to 47 months

Judge TS Ellis said he believed the recommended sentence of 19 to 24 years would be "excessive" for Paul Manafort.

Before giving his sentence, Ellis noted Manafort "lived an otherwise blameless life," and was a good friend and generous person to others. That doesn't erase his crimes however, Ellis said.

I hear El Chapo let an otherwise blameless life too, can he get one of these light sentences?

I mean, what does a criminals life outside of crime really matter? Doesn't everyone lead a blameless life except for their crimes? Isn't that kind of the point?

Utterly sickening. People are sentenced to far more years for far, far less crimes and with much more contrition over their crimes. Manafort is a unrepentant criminal that spat in the face of the law and has blood on his hands, yet he gets 47 months when there a minimum sentencing recommendation of 19 years or so. That's just 20% of the minimum recommended.

This country not only does not punish white collar criminals, it actively rewards them for being white collar criminals. Commit crimes that earn you tens of millions in exchange for a few years of jail time if you even get that much punishment! It's the American Dream.

Asked for 19 years and didn't even get 4. Defrauded millions of dollars. Lied about it. Failed to cooperate with prosecutors. This sums up our justice system pretty neatly.

At least there's another sentencing in 2 weeks.

Oh and Skrelli is running his sham pharmaceutical business from an illicit phone from prison. So there's that too.

Only hope going forward is that he has further sentencing next week with a judge that has been less lenient with regards to Manafort.

WTF

oilypenguin wrote:

Asked for 19 years and didn't even get 4. Defrauded millions of dollars. Lied about it. Failed to cooperate with prosecutors. This sums up our justice system pretty neatly.

At least there's another sentencing in 2 weeks.

Oh and Skrelli is running his sham pharmaceutical business from an illicit phone from prison. So there's that too.

I found that thread really upsetting, so thanks for that(America, not Oily).

Either way: You're welcome, buddy!

I have closed out of twitter for the evening and I believe I will be partaking of bourbon and street fighter for the remainder of the day. Good night, and good luck.

oilypenguin wrote:

Either way: You're welcome, buddy!

I have closed out of twitter for the evening and I believe I will be partaking of Bourbon Street fighting for the remainder of the day. Good night, and good luck.

Made it better for you

BoogtehWoog wrote:

This country not only does not punish white collar criminals, it actively rewards them for being white collar criminals. Commit crimes that earn you tens of millions in exchange for a few years of jail time if you even get that much punishment! It's the American Dream.

I absolutely agree with you that white collar criminals should face much, much harsher penalties, but in the case of Manafort the government fines and restitution (and lawyer fees) are going to essentially leave him and his family destitute (which I'm AOK with).

Most estimates were that the guy, pretrial, was worth about $50 million. As part of his plea agreement with Mueller Manafort surrendered $46 million in assets and he has to pay $24 million in restitution in addition to serving the 47 months. While I don't doubt that f*cker squirreled away some additional money somewhere, he and his family aren't going to be living the retirement they thought they were.

oilypenguin wrote:

At least there's another sentencing in 2 weeks.

There's a max of 10 years on those federal charges. While that judge agreed that Manafort made false statements, she didn't go as far as agree with Mueller that he did so to be intentionally misleading. Either way, here's to hoping that she's pissed off enough about what Manafort did that she decides he has to serve the sentences consecutively so there's more of a chance that f*cker dies in jail.

Chairman_Mao wrote:
oilypenguin wrote:

Either way: You're welcome, buddy!

I have closed out of twitter for the evening and I believe I will be partaking of Bourbon Street fighting for the remainder of the day. Good night, and good luck.

Made it better for you

He waited two days too long for that.

Further proof that rich white dudes only really go to jail if they rip off other rich white dudes.

Something that's frustrating to me with this sentencing is that from what I've read, the judge looked to sentencing for similar crimes and determined that the 47 month sentence was in line with sentences for similar crimes. A 19 year sentence could have been challenged in appeal as outside the norm. Which means that there's a feedback loop here that encourages this kind of sentencing for "white collar" crimes.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

Something that's frustrating to me with this sentencing is that from what I've read, the judge looked to sentencing for similar crimes and determined that the 47 month sentence was in line with sentences for similar crimes. A 19 year sentence could have been challenged in appeal as outside the norm. Which means that there's a feedback loop here that encourages this kind of sentencing for "white collar" crimes.

Pretty much sums up why I hated law school and eventually moved to something I’d like more. Most judges consider the ‘loss of reputation’ to be a part of the punishment. I, of course, argued that if some guy goes into a bank/grocery store/crack house and robs it, even if it’s only the threat of a weapon and not an actual one, he’d be looking at a nice long stay in jail. (Of course we were arguing over Kenneth Lay at the time, who royally f*cked over not only a ton of employees, a lot of retirements, and the entire state of California with unnecessary blackouts, but he wasn’t as politically connected as Manafort)

Just wait until that bridge troll, Stone gets 2 years probation...

In more news of the ludicrous....

Lynne Patton, a Trump housing official, says she has presidential OK for reality TV

Patton's appearance on a still-developing show about black Republicans would come during her tenure as the US Department of Housing and Urban Development's regional director for New York and New Jersey, which provides rental assistance to more than 800,000 vulnerable households and homeless services to more than 80,000 people.
Patton told CNN that HUD lawyers "had no problem with me filming after work hours."
"Look, they know I tend to put my foot in my mouth. They were a little concerned that maybe with some alcohol I might be a little too freewheeling on a show like this," said Patton of the Trump family.
"I think that's what everybody hopes for on a docuseries or reality show. But they were very supportive," said Patton, who has spoken openly about her former struggles with drug addiction.

Ummm... drinking and addiction don't seem like a great combo to me.

farley3k wrote:

Paul Manafort sentenced to 47 months

Judge TS Ellis said he believed the recommended sentence of 19 to 24 years would be "excessive" for Paul Manafort.

Before giving his sentence, Ellis noted Manafort "lived an otherwise blameless life," and was a good friend and generous person to others. That doesn't erase his crimes however, Ellis said.

I hear El Chapo let an otherwise blameless life too, can he get one of these light sentences?

I mean, what does a criminals life outside of crime really matter? Doesn't everyone lead a blameless life except for their crimes? Isn't that kind of the point?

You need to consider his swim times.

Haven't even read the story but the headline is interesting

Trump criticizes Democrats for passing resolution condemning hate

The House resolution drew criticism from some after it was broadened from its original version, which focused solely on denouncing anti-Semitism, to condemning other forms of bigotry against minorities. The resolution passed 407 to 23.

So ok to hate some minorities and not others.

Bill Shine, the former Fox executive who protected Roger Ailes and Bill O'Reilly from sexual harassment charges, has just resigned from White House following rumors that Trump's been disappointed in him for months. He was the White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Communications for the past eight months. His big contribution was stopping White House press briefings: there hasn't been one since January. Shine was the 6th person to fill the White House's top communications role in the 26 months Trump's been in office.

farley3k wrote:

Haven't even read the story but the headline is interesting

Trump criticizes Democrats for passing resolution condemning hate

The House resolution drew criticism from some after it was broadened from its original version, which focused solely on denouncing anti-Semitism, to condemning other forms of bigotry against minorities. The resolution passed 407 to 23.

So ok to hate some minorities and not others.

What is the point of resolutions like this? To see how much of our money can be wasted?

LeapingGnome wrote:

What is the point of resolutions like this? To see how much of our money can be wasted?

I don't think any of us want to go down the rabbit hole of examining all legislation to see if it is a waste!

Two days after the White House refused to turn over documents about Jared Kushner's security clearance to the House Oversight Committee the committee revealed that someone at the White House already leaked them documents that detailed the entire year-long process.

And the Miami Herald revealed that Li Yang, the founder of the spa where Robert Kraft was busted for solicitation, attended Kraft's Super Bowl party where she also snapped a selfie with Trump. Despite not having voted for the past 10 years Yang and her family have donated more than $58,000 to Trump's 2020 campaign and related PACs. She's apparently become a staple a Republican fundraisers and her Facebook is full of picture of her posing with "President Trump, his two sons, Eric and Donald Jr., Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, Sen. Rick Scott, Sarah Palin, the president’s campaign manager and an assortment of other high-level Republican operators."

OG_slinger wrote:

Shine was the 6th person to fill the White House's top communications role in the 26 months Trump's been in office.

Maybe they'll finally let Snape have the job now.

OG_slinger wrote:

She's apparently become a staple a Republican fundraisers and her Facebook is full of picture of her posing with "President Trump, his two sons, Eric and Donald Jr., Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, Sen. Rick Scott, Sarah Palin, the president’s campaign manager and an assortment of other high-level Republican operators."

You know who that reminds me of? Maria Butina.

It would make me so happy if Li Yang has a list of clients and it includes all the Trump men.