[Discussion] The Individual 1 Administration Thread 2

Let's follow and discuss what our newest presidential administration gets up to, the good, the bad, the lawsuits, and the many many indictments.

I guess we're at the point where the writers are bringing back villians from previous seasons and making them do some sort of Heel-Face Turn.

Cliven Bundy rebukes Trump over attack on migrants: 'We should have a heart'

The Guardian wrote:

Cliven Bundy is not a fan of walls.

A hero to some in the far right due to his family’s armed standoffs with the US government, the Nevada rancher is an avid supporter of Donald Trump. But there’s one major issue where they diverge.

“I really question his doctrine ever since he started it about building a wall,” Bundy, 72, told the Guardian on Wednesday. “I don’t like walls. I think we oughta be able to get along with neighbors … Trump’s wall never did sit very good with me.”

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Despite links between the White House and the Bundys’ rightwing causes, Ammon surprised some of his followers on Tuesday with a lengthy Facebook video challenging some of the president’s positions and expressing sympathy for migrants seeking to enter the US.

Ammon criticized conspiracy theories about the migrants and claims that “they’re all a bunch of terrorists”, saying: “That’s a bunch of garbage.” He also acknowledged the violence migrants are fleeing: “The conditions in Honduras factually are terrible … Many of the refugees have testified that they had lost a husband or a mother or a brother or a sister or children and that they’ve been threatened.”

He said some anti-immigrant arguments are “fear-based” and “based upon selfishness”.

I would guess that as a rancher he is in favor of migrant (legal or otherwise immigrant) labor.

He may also believe in the free movement of free people. It's certainly in line with his strong anti-government stance generally.

Garrcia wrote:

I would guess that as a rancher he is in favor of migrant (legal or otherwise immigrant) labor.

I suspect he prefers illegal to legal, because legal migrant workers have a recourse when exploited.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

He may also believe in the free movement of free people. It's certainly in line with his strong anti-government stance generally.

It's more about his religious beliefs that all of humanity are children of god than his whack-a-doodle sovereign citizen/land transfer beliefs.

That being said, I'm sure he'd be perfectly happy not to pay an immigrant for their labor just like he was perfectly happy not to pay his fellow Americans for grazing his cattle on their land because you can still be a person of faith and a tremendous asshole.

OG_slinger wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:

He may also believe in the free movement of free people. It's certainly in line with his strong anti-government stance generally.

It's more about his religious beliefs that all of humanity are children of god than his whack-a-doodle sovereign citizen/land transfer beliefs.

On paper a lot of the people that want to wall and gas immigrants also believe that all of humanity are children of god.

Yonder wrote:
OG_slinger wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:

He may also believe in the free movement of free people. It's certainly in line with his strong anti-government stance generally.

It's more about his religious beliefs that all of humanity are children of god than his whack-a-doodle sovereign citizen/land transfer beliefs.

On paper a lot of the people that want to wall and gas immigrants also believe that all of humanity are children of god.

Well sure, lots of Nazis and slave owners believed the same thing. It hinges on your definition of "Humanity."

I giggled at the name-change

[Discussion] The Individual 1 Administration Thread 2

Hahahaha

Wink_and_the_Gun wrote:

I giggled at the name-change

[Discussion] The Individual 1 Administration Thread 2

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Numeral Uno doth protest via twitate too much?

He sure seems sure that no one can play connect the dots and see the Russian flag....

I find that the browser extension that converts those tweets into crayon scribbles helps put them in their proper context.

That and replacing all photos of the president with photos of kittens helps to keep the nausea at bay.

The topic name change is just what never realized I needed . Thanks, oilypenguin!

Archangel wrote:

I find that the browser extension that converts those tweets into crayon scribbles helps put them in their proper context.

That and replacing all photos of the president with photos of kittens helps to keep the nausea at bay.

The topic name change is just what never realized I needed . Thanks, oilypenguin!

I wish those kinds of plugins ran on phones

DSGamer wrote:

I wish those kinds of plugins ran on phones

Firefox on Android, the only actual full web browser for mobile.

Both plugins work, though sadly the Twitter one does not trigger for the mobile version of the site, only if you force the desktop version.

Oh look. More Hatch Act violations

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/11/30/pol...

(CNN) — Six White House officials have violated the Hatch Act, according to a letter from the Office of the Special Counsel to Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington Executive Director Noah Bookbinder.
The six officials are White House principal deputy press secretary Raj Shah, White House deputy director of communications Jessica Ditto, executive assistant to the President Madeleine Westerhout, former special assistant to the President and director of media affairs Helen Aguirre Ferré, press secretary for the Vice President Alyssa Farah and Office of Management and Budget deputy communications Director Jacob Wood

I want to say something snarky but it is just depressing.

trump's cult won't care, and they will still rant about how criminal Dems are.

I may have said this before but I wonder if people sat around during the fall of Rome and talked about thing were falling apart. Or is the decline so gradual people don't notice? Am I weird because I see this as the fall of America (not the end mind you but more like the decline of the British empire). America will still exist and will still be a fine place to live for many but it isn't the shinning city in the hill anymore (not that it ever really was)

farley3k wrote:

I want to say something snarky but it is just depressing.

trump's cult won't care, and they will still rant about how criminal Dems are.

I may have said this before but I wonder if people sat around during the fall of Rome and talked about thing were falling apart. Or is the decline so gradual people don't notice? Am I weird because I see this as the fall of America (not the end mind you but more like the decline of the British empire). America will still exist and will still be a fine place to live for many but it isn't the shinning city in the hill anymore (not that it ever really was)

So Trump made America never great again? What a twist!

Oh, I think he is just the icing on the cake. The cake was baked by Gingrich and others in the 90s with ingredients supplied by baby boomers.

*And to be clear i don't really "blame" them. I think they did what all animals do. I think they did what life does.
We just try to believe we are above that.

farley3k wrote:

I may have said this before but I wonder if people sat around during the fall of Rome and talked about thing were falling apart. Or is the decline so gradual people don't notice?

It didn't really fall; if anything, its liberal immigration policy helped extend its lifetime and its continuing influence on the world.

It's almost like there's a lesson to be learned there ; D

Am I weird because I see this as the fall of America (not the end mind you but more like the decline of the British empire). America will still exist and will still be a fine place to live for many but it isn't the shinning city in the hill anymore (not that it ever really was)

It doesn't feel like a decline to me. It's more like a critical turning point. Fascism has never felt so close, yet neither has it ever felt like the country is ready to seriously deal with its problems. It feels like thing could get so 1984-ish, a boot stamping on a face forever, yet it also feels like there's never been more of an opportunity to make things...um...very good.

Like you put it, "it isn't the shinning city in the hill anymore (not that it ever really was)". It's that weird contradiction of promise and menace at the same time.

Thank goodness when fascism came to America, it came in a clown car.

JC wrote:

Oh look. More Hatch Act violations

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/11/30/pol...

What they did is really bad news, and I know it's immature, but this is my favorite quote in this article:

"Ditto retweeted Shah's message..."

America is a dead empire, it just hasn’t acknowledged it yet. Post-WWII was the American heyday; what is happening now is the refusal of Republicans to cede power gracefully to the will of the people, only writ large on the world stage. As farley said, this is just what people do - very few people are good at exiting stage left when their part is done.

cheeze_pavilion wrote:

It doesn't feel like a decline to me. It's more like a critical turning point. Fascism has never felt so close, yet neither has it ever felt like the country is ready to seriously deal with its problems. It feels like thing could get so 1984-ish, a boot stamping on a face forever, yet it also feels like there's never been more of an opportunity to make things...um...very good.

Like you put it, "it isn't the shinning city in the hill anymore (not that it ever really was)". It's that weird contradiction of promise and menace at the same time.

Thank goodness when fascism came to America, it came in a clown car.

So what you're sayin is it's the worst of times, yet also the best of times?

You know, you're right! : D

It was the best of times, it was the blurst of times.

It was the best of times, it was the greatest of times. In fact, a lot of people are saying there's never been greater times. Everything is just so great right now.

Chairman_Mao wrote:

It was the best of times, it was the greatest of times. In fact, a lot of people are saying there's never been greater times. Everything is just so great right now.

So great you wouldn't even believe it.

It's the best of times, except the Nancy Pelosi and Maxine Waters Demonrats will make it the blurst of times VERY QUICKLY if you don't elect nothing but Republicans!

Some people have even said it was the greatest times of all time!

WipEout wrote:

Some people have even said it was the greatest times of all time!

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oilypenguin wrote:
Chairman_Mao wrote:

It was the best of times, it was the greatest of times. In fact, a lot of people are saying there's never been greater times. Everything is just so great right now.

So great you wouldn't even believe it.

Everyone says so. In fact I was just talking to my good friend Garston Trilby - great guy, brilliant guy, very smart - and he was telling me how great I a... it is right now.