[Discussion] Hope to Remember The Trump Administration Thread as being 'transparent and honest'

Let's follow and discuss what our newest presidential administration gets up to, the good, the bad, the lawsuits, and the many many indictments.

Right. International disapproval is seen as a feature, not a bug. I would guess that Trump saying America would be respected again was read in the same way that you're supposed to respect the police.

Feared. As always the juveniles in this administration can't discern the difference between respect and fear.

fangblackbone wrote:

Feared. As always the juveniles in this administration can't discern the difference between respect and fear.

Respect for them usually means deference to authority, i.e. them. Not respect as mutual consideration and at least some level of empathy.

Caputo apologizes to HHS staff, signals desire for medical leave

Politico wrote:

The health department's top spokesperson Michael Caputo called an emergency staff meeting on Tuesday to apologize for drawing negative attention to the Trump administration's health care strategy and signaled that he might be soon departing his role, according to five people with knowledge of the meeting.

The departure of Caputo, who has closely controlled the health agencies' dissemination of information about coronavirus, would be a blow to the Trump administration's efforts to promote a possible vaccine, if one is approved in the fall.

Caputo told staffers that his series of false accusations on Facebook Live this weekend — which included unfounded allegations that the Centers for Disease Control was harboring a “resistance unit” — reflected poorly on HHS’ communications office. He blamed his recent behavior on a combination of physical health issues and the toll of fielding death threats against his family. Caputo also acknowledged that he had never read one of the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports, despite his team's ongoing efforts to try to edit those documents.

Caputo told staff that he is scheduled to meet with HHS Secretary Alex Azar later Tuesday, the people with knowledge of the meeting said.

President Donald Trump — a close ally of Caputo who helped install him as HHS' communication head this year — is also expected to be involved in any decision about Caputo's next steps.

Three people with knowledge of Caputo's decision-making confirmed that he was mulling stepping aside as the department’s assistant secretary for public affairs to take medical leave. One former HHS official told POLITICO that Caputo, a former Trump campaign official, has long complained of the stress caused by having been mentioned in the special counsel's investigation on Russian interference in the 2016 election.

During the meeting with his staff on Tuesday, Caputo made allusions to the fact that HHS had functioned for a long time in the past without a permanent top communications official, said one HHS official.

Caputo also disputed anonymous White House criticism about his mental health — saying that some of his comments have been taken out of context — and concluded the meeting by encouraging his staff to listen to music by the Grateful Dead.

HHS declined to comment.

Take Trump with him...

Eric Trump seeks to delay deposition by N.Y. Attorney General Letitia James until after election

NBC News wrote:

Lawyers for Eric Trump on Thursday said he's willing to answer questions in the New York Attorney General's investigation of the Trump Organization — but only after the presidential election.

Trump's lawyer said in a court filing that he needs the delay because of his "extreme travel schedule and related unavailability between now and the election and to avoid the use of his deposition attendance for political purposes."

Attorney General Letitia James' office has been trying to get Trump to sit for an interview for months, but Trump refused to comply with a subpoena and accused her of engaging in "prosecutorial misconduct" last month.

In a statement Thursday, James said, "While we cannot comment on the particular steps we're taking on specific litigation, we won't allow any entity or individual to dictate how our investigation will proceed or allow anyone to evade a lawful subpoena. No one is above the law, period."

James' sprawling civil investigation is based in part on former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's testimony to Congress and seeks to learn whether the financial filings for President Donald Trump's business, the Trump Organization, were inflated or deflated to obtain loans or reduce potential taxes.

Can someone explain how refusing to comply with a subpoena doesn't result in a knock on your door from a nice gentleman with some rather fetching metal bracelets and an invitation to go with him?

Jonman wrote:

Can someone explain how refusing to comply with a subpoena doesn't result in a knock on your door from a nice gentleman with some rather fetching metal bracelets and an invitation to go with him?

The wealthy only face consequences for their crimes if it affects someone wealthier than they are.

ruhk wrote:
Jonman wrote:

Can someone explain how refusing to comply with a subpoena doesn't result in a knock on your door from a nice gentleman with some rather fetching metal bracelets and an invitation to go with him?

The wealthy only face consequences for their crimes if it affects someone wealthier than they are.

That's a nice platitude and all, but it doesn't answer my question. Why isn't Eric Trump in jail for refusing to comply with a subpoena?

Jonman wrote:
ruhk wrote:
Jonman wrote:

Can someone explain how refusing to comply with a subpoena doesn't result in a knock on your door from a nice gentleman with some rather fetching metal bracelets and an invitation to go with him?

The wealthy only face consequences for their crimes if it affects someone wealthier than they are.

That's a nice platitude and all, but it doesn't answer my question. Why isn't Eric Trump in jail for refusing to comply with a subpoena?

I think it kind of does answer your question. Eric Trump is the son of the president, which means he gets special treatment because we are seeing that a lot of our laws are really just honor-based systems. No one is going to seriously go after the president's son because he can just step in and hand wave any sort of consequences away.

Because when you can afford lawyers, they can argue for the validity of subpoenas.

CptDomano wrote:
Jonman wrote:
ruhk wrote:
Jonman wrote:

Can someone explain how refusing to comply with a subpoena doesn't result in a knock on your door from a nice gentleman with some rather fetching metal bracelets and an invitation to go with him?

The wealthy only face consequences for their crimes if it affects someone wealthier than they are.

That's a nice platitude and all, but it doesn't answer my question. Why isn't Eric Trump in jail for refusing to comply with a subpoena?

I think it kind of does answer your question. Eric Trump is the son of the president, which means he gets special treatment because we are seeing that a lot of our laws are really just honor-based systems. No one is going to seriously go after the president's son because he can just step in and hand wave any sort of consequences away.

This.
My answer was flippant because I honestly thought the question was rhetorical.

OG_slinger wrote:

Trump: "America is respected again!"

Pew Research: "Hate to break it to you, but..."

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Those South Korean respondents are just being polite.

The problem is, there is a strong argument for both the pro and anti Trump

anti-Trump: The entire world hates us, is laughing at us, and we are losing our place of leadership in the globe.

pro-Trump: Of course they don't like us, we are no longer the world's sucker.

Looks like Trump is pushing forward with banning TikTok and WeChat. Both will be removed from app stores on Sunday.

Existing TikTok users will still be able to use the app until November 12th when provisions that block U.S. companies from providing internet hosting and services for the app kick in.

Should be interesting to see what happens when the president blocks a popular social media app that about a third of the country has downloaded and 50 million Americans use daily (more than two thirds of which are of voting age) about 45 days before an election.

I'm also waiting with bated breath for principled conservatives to harshly criticize the president's move as being anathema to the free market and the 1st Amendment. Ah, who am I kidding? The only thing conservatives will do is lick the heel of Trump's lift shoes harder.

It's an anti-China move, not anti-capitalist.

Maybe this is finally the thing that will mobilize the youth vote.

Conservatives need villains to vilify.. its the only thing that keeps them going and helps them convince the working class that the real enemy is just over there not here.

Jonman wrote:

Can someone explain how refusing to comply with a subpoena doesn't result in a knock on your door from a nice gentleman with some rather fetching metal bracelets and an invitation to go with him?

Someone in charge of the law enforcement agency in the appropriate jurisdiction has to order those gentleman to go pick him up. They don't do it on their own. No one has given those orders. Out of fear, loyalty, or laziness.

The House has a Sargent at Arms and a jail for a reason and really need to grow their backbone.

Chumpy_McChump wrote:

Stupid Watergate continues, and is apparently actually healthier because they can’t keep a secret.

I occasionally remember that Roger Stone literally has a giant tattoo of Richard Nixon on his back.

Gremlin wrote:

Maybe this is finally the thing that will mobilize the youth vote.

I wonder how much of this is also aimed at voter suppression? Given that a large user base of TikTok and, I assume, WeChat are younger and therefore more prone to vote for Democrats. Shutting this off cuts off another line of communication.

JC wrote:
Gremlin wrote:

Maybe this is finally the thing that will mobilize the youth vote.

I wonder how much of this is also aimed at voter suppression? Given that a large user base of TikTok and, I assume, WeChat are younger and therefore more prone to vote for Democrats. Shutting this off cuts off another line of communication.

That's what got this started. Trump getting pissed that one of his events got upended by tiktok users.

JC wrote:
Gremlin wrote:

Maybe this is finally the thing that will mobilize the youth vote.

I wonder how much of this is also aimed at voter suppression? Given that a large user base of TikTok and, I assume, WeChat are younger and therefore more prone to vote for Democrats. Shutting this off cuts off another line of communication.

Thing is that the TikTok shut off will be gradual and will finally be shut off on November 12th, which on the one hand means that many people won't notice before the election but on the other gives current TikTok superfans an extreme incentive to vote and mobilize the vote.

(WeChat gets shut off this Sunday, which I guess means the Republicans don't want the Asian-American vote.)

This mostly looks like an extreme attempt at giving Oracle leverage (assuming the White House backs the deal for Oracle to buy a stake in TikTok). It's more about our failing attempts to blackmail China, along the lines of the way we completely destroyed the market for US soybeans and got replaced by Brazil. So I think this is mostly about money.

I think voter suppression is likely to be at best a minor consideration, but I guess I won't be surprised if it's a bullet point on a Stephen Miller powerpoint or something.

ranalin wrote:

That's what got this started. Trump getting pissed that one of his events got upended by tiktok users.

Money and a little bit of revenge.

Mixolyde wrote:

The House has a Sargent at Arms and a jail for a reason and really need to grow their backbone.

Just you wait. Nancy is going to find a way to tear up a picture of him while clapping sideways and it's going to be super effective and all will be well.

Pass it on.

Paleocon wrote:
OG_slinger wrote:

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Those South Korean respondents are just being polite.

And the Canadians aren't? Is that even possible?

I think it is more when there seemed to be something resembling progress with N. Korea. Before it fluttered out as most of us knew it would.

Gremlin wrote:
JC wrote:
Gremlin wrote:

Maybe this is finally the thing that will mobilize the youth vote.

I wonder how much of this is also aimed at voter suppression? Given that a large user base of TikTok and, I assume, WeChat are younger and therefore more prone to vote for Democrats. Shutting this off cuts off another line of communication.

Thing is that the TikTok shut off will be gradual and will finally be shut off on November 12th, which on the one hand means that many people won't notice before the election but on the other gives current TikTok superfans an extreme incentive to vote and mobilize the vote.

(WeChat gets shut off this Sunday, which I guess means the Republicans don't want the Asian-American vote.)

This mostly looks like an extreme attempt at giving Oracle leverage (assuming the White House backs the deal for Oracle to buy a stake in TikTok). It's more about our failing attempts to blackmail China, along the lines of the way we completely destroyed the market for US soybeans and got replaced by Brazil. So I think this is mostly about money.

I think voter suppression is likely to be at best a minor consideration, but I guess I won't be surprised if it's a bullet point on a Stephen Miller powerpoint or something.

This. This is a favor by Trump to Larry Ellison to tank the value of TikTok ahead of Ellisons purchase of it. There's some trump ego stuff involved too, but at the heart it's just good old fashioned white collar corruption.

Emails show top HHS official and Trump ally intimidating CDC official

"In what world did you think it was your job to announce an Administration public service announcement campaign to CNN?" Caputo said to the spokesperson on June 27, copying top agency officials on the email -- including Dr. Robert Redfield, the agency's director, who is tasked with leading the nation's health protection agency during the middle of a once-in-a-century pandemic.
The emails show a CNN reporter had reached out to the CDC spokesperson with a question about a vaccine education program that Dr. Anthony Fauci hinted at in a late June CNN interview. The spokesperson referred the reporter to Caputo,

who then decided to escalate the issue.

When the CDC spokesperson apologized to Caputo and stated that they merely referred CNN to him and did not confirm the campaign, Caputo snapped back with another terse message.

"We will discuss this on a teleconference tomorrow. I want your HR representative in attendance," Caputo said.

In a subsequent message he added, "I'm adding Dr Redfield back in this email exchange. Do not remove him again."

Caputo thinks he is working for the Galactic Empire.

AP: Someone tried to mail ricin to Trump. I bet it won't take an hour and a half for BLM or Antifa to get blamed.