[Discussion] Hope to Remember The Trump Administration Thread as being 'transparent and honest'

Let's follow and discuss what our newest presidential administration gets up to, the good, the bad, the lawsuits, and the many many indictments.

Stele wrote:

Then he also claimed there were planes full of looters flying into cities all dressed in black to start trouble. When asked for detail he brushed it off as an ongoing investigation.

Last night his story was that the "thugs" were seen flying into DC last week because they were going to somehow f*ck with the RNC.

Today , during a brief press conference at Andrews AFB, Trump claimed that "the looters, the rioters, the anarchists, people that were obviously looking for trouble" got on a "plane going from Washington to wherever." But he swore it was a firsthand account, but that he'd have to check with the person to see if they'd talk to the media about their harrowing AntifaAir flight into/out of DC or wherever saying "maybe they’ll speak to you, maybe they won’t."

Kind of amazing that he can't even keep the major details of his lies straight for longer than a few hours.

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Stele wrote:

Then he also claimed there were planes full of looters flying into cities all dressed in black to start trouble. When asked for detail he brushed it off as an ongoing investigation.

"I've had it with these mothaf*ckin' looters, on this mothaf*ckin' plane!"
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Donald Trump accidentally revealed something very important in a tweet

But every once in a while, Trump unwittingly reveals something important about himself in a tweet. And that happened on Wednesday, with this tweet from Trump himself (bolding is mine):
"The Dow Jones Industrial just closed above 29,000! You are so lucky to have me as your President. With Joe Hiden' it would crash"
"You are so lucky to have me as your President," is, on its face, a remarkable thing for a president to say. In fact, it's inconceivable that any past president would say that.
Why? Because past presidents have understood that serving as president is both an honor and a public trust. That to be trusted by 330 million Americans with representing their interests both domestically and internationally is a massive gift that should humble anyone who ascends to the office. It is, without question, the highlight and honor of anyone's life who gets to serve.
Trump, as his tweet on Wednesday makes crystal clear, views things very differently. In his mind, he is doing the country a favor in serving as president. He sees the presidency as an inconvenience -- one he is only willing to take on because he believes only he can fix what ails the country.

Looking at todays stock market, that was another perfectly timed tweet by Trump.

Shadout wrote:

Looking at todays stock market, that was another perfectly timed tweet by Trump.

Down 700 points.

Also because Moscow Mitch last night said there won't be a second stimulus bill because we are too close to the election.

That isn't really anything secret since he announced his candidacy.
He has never had any inclination that the president is a public servant.

fangblackbone wrote:

That isn't really anything secret since he announced his candidacy.
He has never had any inclination that the president is a public servant.

Trump and servant are very distinct. In his head, he serves no-one, people serve him. I bet he never even drove a car himself and was always driven by someone (servant)..even his golf cart perhaps.

Nah, he definitely drives his own golf carts. Right onto the green, apparently.

I stand corrected

This might explain why Trump is slipping so hard with military personnel:
Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’

When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that “the helicopter couldn’t fly” and that the Secret Service wouldn’t drive him there. Neither claim was true.

Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed.
[...]
Trump, while standing by Robert Kelly’s grave, turned directly to his father and said, “I don’t get it. What was in it for them?” Kelly (who declined to comment for this story) initially believed, people close to him said, that Trump was making a ham-handed reference to the selflessness of America’s all-volunteer force. But later he came to realize that Trump simply does not understand non-transactional life choices.

“He can’t fathom the idea of doing something for someone other than himself,” one of Kelly’s friends, a retired four-star general, told me. “He just thinks that anyone who does anything when there’s no direct personal gain to be had is a sucker. There’s no money in serving the nation.” Kelly’s friend went on to say, “Trump can’t imagine anyone else’s pain. That’s why he would say this to the father of a fallen marine on Memorial Day in the cemetery where he’s buried.”

qaraq wrote:

This might explain why Trump is slipping so hard with military personnel:
Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’

When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that “the helicopter couldn’t fly” and that the Secret Service wouldn’t drive him there. Neither claim was true.

Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed.
[...]
Trump, while standing by Robert Kelly’s grave, turned directly to his father and said, “I don’t get it. What was in it for them?” Kelly (who declined to comment for this story) initially believed, people close to him said, that Trump was making a ham-handed reference to the selflessness of America’s all-volunteer force. But later he came to realize that Trump simply does not understand non-transactional life choices.

“He can’t fathom the idea of doing something for someone other than himself,” one of Kelly’s friends, a retired four-star general, told me. “He just thinks that anyone who does anything when there’s no direct personal gain to be had is a sucker. There’s no money in serving the nation.” Kelly’s friend went on to say, “Trump can’t imagine anyone else’s pain. That’s why he would say this to the father of a fallen marine on Memorial Day in the cemetery where he’s buried.”

He used the same logic to slam McCain.

No wonder he has no respect for professionalism from anyone who has a job where they need to use physical force--he probably thinks the only reason someone would take such low pay would be for the chance to hurt people and get away with it.

ranalin wrote:
qaraq wrote:

This might explain why Trump is slipping so hard with military personnel:
Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’

When President Donald Trump canceled a visit to the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris in 2018, he blamed rain for the last-minute decision, saying that “the helicopter couldn’t fly” and that the Secret Service wouldn’t drive him there. Neither claim was true.

Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honor American war dead, according to four people with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at Belleau Wood as “suckers” for getting killed.
[...]
Trump, while standing by Robert Kelly’s grave, turned directly to his father and said, “I don’t get it. What was in it for them?” Kelly (who declined to comment for this story) initially believed, people close to him said, that Trump was making a ham-handed reference to the selflessness of America’s all-volunteer force. But later he came to realize that Trump simply does not understand non-transactional life choices.

“He can’t fathom the idea of doing something for someone other than himself,” one of Kelly’s friends, a retired four-star general, told me. “He just thinks that anyone who does anything when there’s no direct personal gain to be had is a sucker. There’s no money in serving the nation.” Kelly’s friend went on to say, “Trump can’t imagine anyone else’s pain. That’s why he would say this to the father of a fallen marine on Memorial Day in the cemetery where he’s buried.”

He used the same logic to slam McCain.

I've never understood what mental gymnastics Republicans did to let that fly.

My politics didn't align with McCain but even as a Canadian I really did respect the f*ck out of him.

But... the confederates were losers... why does he care so much about keeping their statues up?

Tscott wrote:

But... the confederates were losers... why does he care so much about keeping their statues up?

And someone should ask that question of him exactly like that.

"There were good people on both sides, that's what they say. Why should just one have statues? I have statues at Trump Tower, the best, and they never even had slaves. People should love my statues."

Tscott wrote:

But... the confederates were losers... why does he care so much about keeping their statues up?

His racist base supports them so he does.

Tscott wrote:

But... the confederates were losers... why does he care so much about keeping their statues up?

They lost the war, but whether they have lost the peace is still in dispute.

He probably expects that people will make statues of him after he made America great again. This is just an attempt to enforce a precedence of not taking down statues of vile criminals.

Not sure this belongs here, but both my wife and I received letters from the Board of Elections today that said they received our absentee ballot application, but they were unable to be processed because we both:

"Failed to sign the application."

Now, this scares the living crap out of us because we both KNOW we signed. I triple checked everything before I sent them in.

Now we seriously have to think about going and standing in line on Nov. 3, which we will do, but we really shouldn't have to.

mortalgroove wrote:

Not sure this belongs here, but both my wife and I received letters from the Board of Elections today that said they received our absentee ballot application, but they were unable to be processed because we both:

"Failed to sign the application."

Now, this scares the living crap out of us because we both KNOW we signed. I triple checked everything before I sent them in.

Now we seriously have to think about going and standing in line on Nov. 3, which we will do, but we really shouldn't have to.

If you are in Ohio as your location says, it looks like you can rerequest a ballot as the deadline isn't until October 31th, 2020. Whether it will succeed the second time or come early enough to be confident it'll be returned and counted before election day is an open question.

https://www.ohiosos.gov/elections/vo...

I would suggest doing it a second time and taking photos of the signed requests. If they pull shenanigans again, then report it to your local news station investigative reporter.
If not for you, do it for the thousands of others trying to request a ballot that may fall victim to this.

fangblackbone wrote:

I would suggest doing it a second time and taking photos of the signed requests. If they pull shenanigans again, then report it to your local news station investigative reporter.
If not for you, do it for the thousands of others trying to request a ballot that may fall victim to this.

Check laws first. It is not legal to take photos of ballots in most states, I believe. It is to prevent people from being able to buy votes, having a record someone can verify.

It is a signed ballot request though. I figure whatever taking photos of the actual ballot rules would not apply...

Sign it in front of a Notary Public and have them record it.

Robear wrote:

Sign it in front of a Notary Public and have them record it.

Unless they have a notary public in the family and it's somehow legit to use a family member, this seems to defeat the purpose of not being around strangers.

If your signature varies at all from what they have on file they can deny your ballot or application as well. That's one of the dangers of vote by mail this year. When you vote in person they just scan your ID instead of scrutinizing your signature.

Thanks folks. I am going to reapply, and "record" it in some way, although I think fang is probably right, it is just an application, so I am not that worried.

I just poked around a little and some states do have laws against it, some have laws that expressly permit it, and most of the controversy seemed to center around the "ballot selfie", posting to social media, etc.

I will only be "recording" it for my own sake and never posting it anywhere, so again, not that worried.

Still scared and pissed, but not that worried.

mortalgroove wrote:

Thanks folks. I am going to reapply, and "record" it in some way, although I think fang is probably right, it is just an application, so I am not that worried.

I just poked around a little and some states do have laws against it, some have laws that expressly permit it, and most of the controversy seemed to center around the "ballot selfie", posting to social media, etc.

I will only be "recording" it for my own sake and never posting it anywhere, so again, not that worried.

Still scared and pissed, but not that worried.

Good luck, I'd be very interested in knowing the outcome here if you're willing to keep us posted on the progress.