[Discussion] Hope to Remember The Trump Administration Thread as being 'transparent and honest'

Let's follow and discuss what our newest presidential administration gets up to, the good, the bad, the lawsuits, and the many many indictments.

Malor wrote:
ruhk wrote:

Tiktok users organized the campaign that inflated the Tulsa rally numbers- the public embarrassment of that is probably what got to him the most.

They had oodles of spare capacity, outside the arena. They could have filled that rally if anyone had wanted to show up.

The embarrassment came from the inflated numbers- Trump thought they were going to be pulling in record numbers of people because of the tiktok rsvp’s, and he and his lackeys were bragging about it the entire week before the rally. That’s why they had set up the overflow stages outside. It didn’t change the actual number of people that were going to show up, but the false expectations were a huge blow to his ego.

I know he can’t actually ban it, but trying to out of personal grievance is exactly the type of petty b.s. thing he’d do.

lunchbox12682 wrote:

Yeah, I apologise for earlier saying the data collection was a bad but manageable thing. I didn't think that not all states handle like Minnesota, which I am most used to.
I'm not shocked by the above, just once again sad and disappointed.

It’s hard to fathom just how much of the government Trumpism has hollowed out, Things we used to assume we’re handled just aren’t. And they have created an atmosphere that speaking up will end your career, so people go along, wondering when it will end.

I personally know someone who place about 35 RSVPs, from a state far away from Kansas, as part of the KPop Army...

It was Paleo wasn't it? ;P

Trump's going after TikTok for the same reason he calls COVID-19 the China Virus or the Wuhan Virus: it lets him stoke (white) nationalism, which he's clearly decided is going to be the only thing that has a chance to keep him in office.

And I wouldn't doubt that the idea of banning TikTok either came from Facebook's Zuckerberg during one of his many chats with Trump or it was Trump's idea of a quid pro quo to Zuckerberg for him not cracking down on conservative and Trump campaign propaganda.

The thing I’m really worried about is his panic flailing convincing him to try to mobilize QAnon. He’s made a few references here and there to appease his base and retweeted some Q-adjacent stuff, but if he decides it’s in his best interest to start fully leaning into Q I fear the consequences are going to lead to widespread unpredictable violence.
To be clear, I don’t think he believes or would believe any of the Q stuff for obvious reasons, but if he thinks he’s truly backed into a corner I’m sure he or at least someone in his circle might realize how useful an embedded army of cult fanatics could be.

ruhk wrote:

The thing I’m really worried about is his panic flailing convincing him to try to mobilize QAnon. He’s made a few references here and there to appease his base and retweeted some Q-adjacent stuff, but if he decides it’s in his best interest to start fully leaning into Q I fear the consequences are going to lead to widespread unpredictable violence.
To be clear, I don’t think he believes or would believe any of the Q stuff for obvious reasons, but if he thinks he’s truly backed into a corner I’m sure he or at least someone in his circle might realize how useful an embedded army of cult fanatics could be.

I am horrified how main stream the Q crap seems to have become recently.

lunchbox12682 wrote:
ruhk wrote:

The thing I’m really worried about is his panic flailing convincing him to try to mobilize QAnon. He’s made a few references here and there to appease his base and retweeted some Q-adjacent stuff, but if he decides it’s in his best interest to start fully leaning into Q I fear the consequences are going to lead to widespread unpredictable violence.
To be clear, I don’t think he believes or would believe any of the Q stuff for obvious reasons, but if he thinks he’s truly backed into a corner I’m sure he or at least someone in his circle might realize how useful an embedded army of cult fanatics could be.

I am horrified how main stream the Q crap seems to have become recently.

It‘a becoming a religion. They love believing they’re part of some giant good vs evil crusade. They got bored with Left Behind and now they have Q.

fangblackbone wrote:

It was Paleo wasn't it? ;P

Robear said “No it was someone else, though Paleo may have done some himself.”

DSGamer wrote:
lunchbox12682 wrote:
ruhk wrote:

The thing I’m really worried about is his panic flailing convincing him to try to mobilize QAnon. He’s made a few references here and there to appease his base and retweeted some Q-adjacent stuff, but if he decides it’s in his best interest to start fully leaning into Q I fear the consequences are going to lead to widespread unpredictable violence.
To be clear, I don’t think he believes or would believe any of the Q stuff for obvious reasons, but if he thinks he’s truly backed into a corner I’m sure he or at least someone in his circle might realize how useful an embedded army of cult fanatics could be.

I am horrified how main stream the Q crap seems to have become recently.

It‘a becoming a religion. They love believing they’re part of some giant good vs evil crusade. They got bored with Left Behind and now they have Q.

Q anon is the biggest Russian bs machine they could have ever built. Throw everything against the wall, see what sticks and then make it as ridiculous as possible. The added bonus is that it collects people that vote, but those people also don’t believe in free and fair elections.

They’ve caught some Russian accounts signal boosting QAnon, but I think QAnon itself is a homegrown phenomena.

Don’t forget TikTok is (for now) owned by people in “Gyna.”

Circles within circles: Apparently Microsoft is in talks to “buy them out.” The Chinese want to retain a portion of ownership; is Trump’s threat just random id-driven bloviation, or a calculated move by a puissant master of 12-dimensional chess?

Make Q the Q from Star Trek Again; that’s all I got folks.

H.P. Lovesauce wrote:

Don’t forget TikTok is (for now) owned by people in “Gyna.”

Circles within circles: Apparently Microsoft is in talks to “buy them out.” The Chinese want to retain a portion of ownership; is Trump’s threat just random id-driven bloviation, or a calculated move by a puissant master of 12-dimensional chess?

WSJ just reported that Microsoft has "paused negotiations" with TikTok.

I'm sure all the free market-loving conservatives will immediately denounce Trump for c*ck blocking the invisible hand.

Ironically, the continuing issues around Chinese ownership of popular communications apps and especially infrastructure technology is one of the things where the intel supports Trump's instincts. There's definitely an attempt going on to put technology into Western countries that is designed in part by the Chinese military. That's nothing good for the long run.

Absolutely true, but when we're doing the exact same thing with US companies, it's really hard to convince the world that we're right.

We The People might hate the whole idea, but it's obvious to everyone that our government loves the idea of tapping everything, everywhere. We're not upset that it's happening, we're upset that we don't control it. We don't think it's wrong, we think it's wrong for anyone else.

The rest of the world's countries are unlikely to go along with that premise. Hell, with Trump in charge, they might think China's a better bet.

Malor wrote:

Hell, with Trump in charge, they might think China's a better bet.

Neither are very convincing currently.

Donald Trump is doomed, and he knows it: But will he go out with a whimper or a bang?

You won't catch me claiming that "democratic institutions" or the "rule of law" will rescue us from Donald Trump. That manifestly has not happened, and any such hope rested on a set of charmingly old-fashioned assumptions in the first place. None of the people I just mentioned are greatly concerned with that stuff, but all of them — especially the last group, the financial and corporate overlords who control all the wealth and most of the power in our society — do not much care for chaos and disorder, and have seen about enough of it over the last four years.
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No doubt Wall Street feels some collective concern about the potential cost of a Democratic presidency, especially under current social conditions — but Joe Biden, the longtime "senator from MasterCard," was the Democrat the Mr. Monopoly crowd wanted all along. After the disastrous meltdown of the Trump presidency, they'll welcome Biden with open arms, along with helpful dossiers of potential Cabinet nominees.

also:

Donald Trump still believes that he can grab 'em by the you-know-what, and until now has avoided coming to grips with the reality that he is a morbidly obese 74-year-old man with a spray-on tan and an ingeniously structured hairdo that could be dubbed the Sat-on Beehive.

"Sat-on Beehive"

ruhk wrote:

They’ve caught some Russian accounts signal boosting QAnon, but I think QAnon itself is a homegrown phenomena.

QAnon started as just another 4chan hoax. They love their hoaxes on 4chan. Mostly they hoax other people but sometimes they hoax each other. That's all this was: a channer hoaxing other channers. Eventually it caught on and, when banned from 4chan, migrated to 8chan. Signal boosted by Russians, sure, but we can't completely blame them for QAnon.

Honestly I think most of the stuff that gets blamed on Russians these days is just Americans americaning things up. The election interference wasn’t Russia’s most damaging crime, our society is broken in a lot of fundamental ways and Russia gave people a scapegoat to point at instead of recognizing our own problems and working to fix things.

ruhk wrote:

Honestly I think most of the stuff that gets blamed on Russians these days is just Americans americaning things up. The election interference wasn’t Russia’s most damaging crime, our society is broken in a lot of fundamental ways and Russia gave people a scapegoat to point at instead of recognizing our own problems and working to fix things.

While this sentiment isn’t incorrect, the problem is that there’s a significant portion of the U.S that can’t accept the fact that there HAS been, and continues to be, manipulation by foreign interests. If a large swath of the nation simply refuses to accept facts, and spends all their time trying to disprove these facts; then there is little hope that they’re going to spend any time looking at our internal problems. I don’t view that behavior as scapegoating, I view it as, at best, willful ignorance and at worst, negligent stupidity.

Just because we are screwed up, doesn't mean the Russians are not screwing with us too. And they are. Don't make the naive assumption that nation-state hacking is directly about politics, or ideology. It's not. Those are just tools. It's a weapon of global competition, up to and including what would otherwise be acts of war. For example, from 2016 until late 2018 or so (judging by reports), the Russians had the ability to shut down the US power grid. They also infiltrated dams, water companies and other infrastructure elements. These attempts are ongoing (again, according to reports). The political stuff is not picking sides; it's about destabilization on a wide scale, in all Western democracies. And we do it to them too; there are numerous incidents of Western democracies attacking Iran, Russia, Iraq, Syria and other places via the Internet.

It is literally an ongoing war and Russia is not a scapegoat, it's a powerful actor. (Although, frankly, the Chinese are probably more productive and operate more quietly, on a longer time scale.)

Anything that goes against a narrative someone favors automatically gets suspected of being Russian propaganda, even here. Just the other day when I pointed out that the Lincoln Project guys were bad actors with a history of shady political affiliations one of the first responses was someone telling me I was falling for Russian propaganda. Back in the old election thread multiple candidates were at various points accused of being boosted by Russians (Sanders, Williamson, Gabbard, and I think Yang, if I remember correctly). That’s what I’m talking about. Yeah it’s happening, but people are turning it into the QAnon of the left.

Look Hillary just said the Russians were probably helping someone disrupt. Tulsi is the one that stood up and got mad that she was being accused of having Russian backing. Nobody mentioned Tulsi and Russia except Tulsi.

My point is that while Russia is screwing with us, everyone is using that as a license to uncritically dismiss anything they don’t like or deem as being even vaguely suspicious. I’ve seen people do it here, I’ve seen it in the media, I’ve seen it in my social groups, and I see it the most on social media. That behavior is, in my opinion, just as dangerous as anything Russia can do to us.

ruhk wrote:

My point is that while Russia is screwing with us, everyone is using that as a license to uncritically dismiss anything they don’t like or deem as being even vaguely suspicious. I’ve seen people do it here, I’ve seen it in the media, I’ve seen it in my social groups, and I see it the most on social media. That behavior is, in my opinion, just as dangerous as anything Russia can do to us.

My takeaway from the plausible foreign interference factor is that I can not judge popular sentiment using the internet.

If an individual makes a point on the internet, like ruhk talking about perceived inflation of foreign influence, then I can take the time to consider the point because ruhk goes way back, and this venue is small enough to allow a semi-anonymity.

In a more popular social media setting, with algorithms, likes, votes, etc., I think it makes more sense to just avoid peoples' opinions entirely. Not necessarily just because of foreign interference, but also due to algorithmic influence that doesn't even have to represent anyone's agenda but just the sample-ruining pressure applied is enough.

Heck, take out the algorithmic influence and I still think sincere human driven feedback loops could also distort perception of overall sentiment, but I guess that was the case with citizens listening to someone on a literal soapbox. The tech just ramped it up.

So I can't gauge popular sentiment from the larger internet. That sucks. I don't need to know if I'm going to win or lose to keep playing the game. I make a point to not not dismiss things just because they look like I agree with them.

Just so long as I don't forget that everyone is saying that dog farts amplify the 5G cancer!

Ruhk wrote:

That behavior is, in my opinion, just as dangerous as anything Russia can do to us.

It is, in fact, one of the *points* of what they are doing to us...

Again, not saying it's not spawned its own backlash, but it *is* a real threat.

D.A. Is Investigating Trump and His Company Over Fraud, Filing Suggests

NYT wrote:

The Manhattan district attorney’s office suggested on Monday that it has been investigating President Trump and his company for possible bank and insurance fraud, a significantly broader inquiry than the prosecutors have acknowledged in the past.

The office of the district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance Jr., made the disclosure in a new federal court filing arguing Mr. Trump should have to comply with its subpoena seeking eight years of his personal and corporate tax returns. Mr. Trump has asked a judge to declare the subpoena invalid.

The prosecutors did not directly identify the focus of their inquiry but said that “undisputed” news reports last year about Mr. Trump’s business practices make it clear that the office had a legal basis for the subpoena.

The reports, including investigations into the president’s wealth and an article on the congressional testimony of his former lawyer and fixer, Michael D. Cohen, said that the president may have illegally inflated his net worth and the value of his properties to lenders and insurers. Lawyers for Mr. Trump have said he did nothing wrong.

The clash over the subpoena comes less than a month after the Supreme Court, in a major ruling on the limits of presidential power, cleared the way for Mr. Vance’s prosecutors to seek Mr. Trump’s financial records.

The filing from prosecutors came in response to an argument Mr. Trump made last week, calling the subpoena from Mr. Vance, a Democrat, “wildly overbroad” and issued in bad faith.

Mr. Vance’s office subpoenaed Mr. Trump’s accounting firm, Mazars USA, in August 2019 for the tax returns as part of its investigation, which until now was believed to be focused on hush-money payments made to two women who said they had affairs with Mr. Trump, including the adult film actress Stormy Daniels.

Mr. Cohen arranged the payments to Ms. Daniels and the other woman, Karen McDougal. Mr. Vance’s office has been looking into whether any New York State laws were broken when those payments were made.

The same DA they keep trying to replace with a Trump crony? what a wierd and unrelated coincidence

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