[Discussion] Hope to Remember The Trump Administration Thread as being 'transparent and honest'

Let's follow and discuss what our newest presidential administration gets up to, the good, the bad, the lawsuits, and the many many indictments.

Another nice mix of trump's "light" comments mixed with a different person.

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WP: Justice Dept. scrutinizes White House-connected doctor linked to disputed coronavirus treatment

Federal prosecutors are examining the communications of a New York family doctor whose work has been discussed on Fox News and who has been in touch with the White House to tout an anti-malarial as a treatment for the novel coronavirus, according to people contacted as part of the inquiry.

The examination of Vladimir “Zev” Zelenko’s records began when an associate, conservative commentator Jerome Corsi, accidentally sent an email intended for Zelenko to another “Z” name in his address book — federal prosecutor Aaron Zelinsky, who as a member of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s team had spent months scrutinizing Corsi’s activities during the 2016 presidential election.

Emailing incriminating evidence to the federal prosecutor is certainly one way to speed up an investigation.

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FAKE NEWS!

Obviously the enemy of the people lying media doesn't want the undoctored images released!

(Yeah, I know I'm a bit late on this).

Nah, perfect timing.

Pence was publicly shamed enough that he wore a mask yesterday when he visited a General Motors plant that had been converted over to making ventilators.

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But he and his wife still blatantly lied to the American public, so...

Even if he wasn't told, and I don't believe that for a second, and even if whatever back door they took him through didn't have the signs that we've seen photos of at the Mayo Clinic entrances, one'd still think that the Secret Service detail responsible for his safety would have at least hinted really hard that he ought to wear a mask.

What's it mean when you start the whole conversation with a lie?

During her first briefing, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany promised that she'd "never lie" to the reporters in the room.

""I will never lie to you. You have my word on that," she said."

She added that she plans to hold regular briefings, and she will announce timing on that later.

Thursday marked 417 days since the last briefing by a White House press secretary.

...maybe she won't? Maybe?

(I have to admit, press briefings that were just her standing silently at a podium would be pretty funny.)

qaraq wrote:

Even if he wasn't told, and I don't believe that for a second, and even if whatever back door they took him through didn't have the signs that we've seen photos of at the Mayo Clinic entrances, one'd still think that the Secret Service detail responsible for his safety would have at least hinted really hard that he ought to wear a mask.

You mean the same Secret Service that traveled with him to a Colts/49er game back in 2017 just so he could leave it in feigned and pre-planned disgust after 49er players kneeled in protest during the National Anthem?

Pence didn't wear a mask at the Mayo clinic because Trump didn't want him to.

He only wore one yesterday because his initial story about why he didn't wear one at the Mayo Clinic fell completely apart and Trump got a wake-up call over the weekend about how his unhinged coronavirus press conference rants and incompetent pandemic response is hurting his poll numbers in battleground states.

Chumpy_McChump wrote:

...maybe she won't? Maybe?

(I have to admit, press briefings that were just her standing silently at a podium would be pretty funny.)

Watched the whole thing. Pretty much nothing but lies and spin, and aggro yelling at journalists for not pushing enough Republican propaganda.

Some lying liar wrote:

I will never lie to you. You have my word on that," she said.

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Ooo ooo! Let me try!

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""I will never lie to you. You have my word on that," she said."

Important question: to whom was she speaking? Clearly not to the reporters there.

She's been lying on Twitter ever since she got the job.

Well probably before that too, that's how she got the job after all.

But they are not lies, they are, uh, alternative facts, you know.

WaPo wrote:

A copy of the document obtained by The Washington Post explicitly stated that masks are required for the visit and instructed reporters to wear them. “Please note, the Mayo Clinic is requiring all individuals traveling with the VP wear masks,” the document said. “Please bring one to wear while on the trip.”

See, it only says individuals traveling with the VP, not the VP himself. He's with God, so no need...

Edit: YouTube link to best of Baghdad Bob press "briefings" during Saddam's reign won't work.

JC wrote:

What's it mean when you start the whole conversation with a lie?

During her first briefing, White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany promised that she'd "never lie" to the reporters in the room.

""I will never lie to you. You have my word on that," she said."

She added that she plans to hold regular briefings, and she will announce timing on that later.

Thursday marked 417 days since the last briefing by a White House press secretary.

She lasted all of 15 minutes before lying.

WaPo wrote:

“I will never lie to you,” McEnany replied. “You have my word on that.”

Fifteen minutes later, she raised a subject no one had asked about and quickly offered an obviously false claim about it.

Another reporter had asked whether the apparent revocation of former Trump attorney Michael Cohen’s early release from prison was a function of intervention from the White House. Cohen, you’ll recall, flipped on Trump, testifying to investigators and Congress about hush-money payments to two women during the campaign, payments Trump had denied.

After denying any intervention, McEnany used the question to pivot to a justice-related subject more in keeping with what she wanted to talk about.

“I am glad that you brought up justice, and — because, look, there is, again, a case of injustice that has yet to be brought up today, but I certainly would like to bring it up,” she said. “And that’s the case of General Michael Flynn.”

She offered a rough presentation of the case being made by Flynn’s defenders that the former national security adviser was railroaded into accepting a guilty plea after misrepresenting his 2016 interactions with Russia’s ambassador during a conversation with FBI investigators. This week, the Justice Department released documents centered on the investigation, which included notes written before Flynn was interviewed by the FBI at the White House. They’ve been touted as a smoking gun showing bias against Flynn, though that interpretation is dubious.

What the notes did not say is what McEnany said they did.

“All of that information we’ve learned over the last few months and years,” she said, “culminates in the fact that we had a handwritten FBI note that says, quote, we need to get Flynn to lie, quote, and get him fired. That was — there was an unfair target on the back of General Michael Flynn. It should concern every American.”

McEnany’s use of “quote” in that context is confusing, since she doesn’t mark the end point of what she’s purportedly quoting. But it doesn’t really matter, since her presentation is false, deeply misleading — or both.

Later she said that Mueller's investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election ended in “the complete and total exoneration of President Trump.”

Ugh. I thought since we got direct deposit we avoided seeing Trump's signature.

But no, we got mail from the IRS today, signed with his stupid scrawl taking credit for giving us the stimulus money. Asshole. And what a waste of paper and money.

Stele wrote:

Ugh. I thought since we got direct deposit we avoided seeing Trump's signature.

But no, we got mail from the IRS today, signed with his stupid scrawl taking credit for giving us the stimulus money. Asshole. And what a waste of paper and money.

I was surprised they had Spanish on the back.

lunchbox12682 wrote:
Stele wrote:

Ugh. I thought since we got direct deposit we avoided seeing Trump's signature.

But no, we got mail from the IRS today, signed with his stupid scrawl taking credit for giving us the stimulus money. Asshole. And what a waste of paper and money.

I was surprised they had Spanish on the back.

Stephen Miller is devastated.

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How come so many people take this administration seriously? I just don’t understand.

Our coverage of US internal political news here is more or less "Trumps Say the Darnedest Things", so I haven't got a great feeling for the substance of his presidency - has his administration been doing concrete things with respect to things like public schools and minority rights that are worse than, say, one of the Bushes? Or is it similar in substance but seems worse because it's being delivered with an air of petty vindictiveness rather than dressed up in aw-shucks folksiness?

OG_slinger wrote:

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This guy graduated top of his class at West Point. He can't claim he's not smart enough to understand the question.

Days ago the Australia Prime Minister said our intelligence community (and by extension the Five Eyes community) had no evidence of a SARS-Cov-2 link to the Wuhan lab.

So, if that's the case, how does Pompeo say that there is strong evidence that it is linked to the lab?? I'm confused.

Bfgp wrote:

Days ago the Australia Prime Minister said our intelligence community (and by extension the Five Eyes community) had no evidence of a SARS-Cov-2 link to the Wuhan lab.

So, if that's the case, how does Pompeo say that there is strong evidence that it is linked to the lab?? I'm confused.

I’m guessing he’s lying.

Yep, lying through his teeth, trying to shift blame for the utterly botched US response.

I can’t believe an American presidential administration could f*ck up a disease response so badly that it could make it he Chinese communists look like competent victims doing all they could, but here we are.

Congratulations America. You’ve completely rehabilitated the party that brought you the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution.

Sonicator wrote:

Our coverage of US internal political news here is more or less "Trumps Say the Darnedest Things", so I haven't got a great feeling for the substance of his presidency - has his administration been doing concrete things with respect to things like public schools and minority rights that are worse than, say, one of the Bushes? Or is it similar in substance but seems worse because it's being delivered with an air of petty vindictiveness rather than dressed up in aw-shucks folksiness?

His Secretary of Education more or less wants to abolish public schools. She and the administration have taken away funding for summer and after-school programs that help poor families and shifted money previously used for public school money to private schools (via vouchers). She has done away with limits on predatory for-profit "universities" put in place by the previous administration and canceled programs aimed at higher education loan forgiveness. She has rolled back regulations designed to make help level the educational landscape for minorities and the disabled.

His Department of Justice stopped an FBI focus on domestic terrorist groups (whites with guns and bombs) and shifted to identify and surveil "black extremist groups"...i.e., people protesting for basic human rights.

His Environmental Protection Agency is taking the opportunity presented by the pandemic to gut clean air rules, many of which will disproportionately affect minority communities (because they always do).

He put would-be immigrants (including asylum seekers) in cages, separated families, and in some cases deported the parents while sending the children out for adoption (by whites, naturally).

While I don't think a lot of this is his personal doing (let's be honest, he doesn't have enough energy to work on much beyond tweeting), but he has chosen his administration to maximize the pain on non-whites in our country.

If he had a better attention span, our country would have been gutted, broken down and sold off like companies by a predatory hedge fund. As it is, it's only been partially dismantled (see, e.g., response to COVID-19 by the CDC).

Sonicator wrote:

Our coverage of US internal political news here is more or less "Trumps Say the Darnedest Things", so I haven't got a great feeling for the substance of his presidency - has his administration been doing concrete things with respect to things like public schools and minority rights that are worse than, say, one of the Bushes? Or is it similar in substance but seems worse because it's being delivered with an air of petty vindictiveness rather than dressed up in aw-shucks folksiness?

Stealing some great phrases from this Atlantic article, though they're not original there.

Before COVID-19, the theme was "malevolence tempered by incompetence", sometimes with "shot through with mendacity" tacked on the end. The administration tried to do a bunch of pretty vile things and were blocked by courts because they just didn't know how to work the levers of power correctly, or were too arrogant to bother trying. For example, when an agency changes a regulation there's supposed to be a period of public comment and other requirements; they just didn't do that, and lost in court when challenged. They also lost with their first couple tries at a ban on Muslim immigrants because they couldn't keep the goal of overt discrimination quiet.

The greatest damage they are doing is to the federal court system. They're filling federal courts with young people who'll be there for decades and who are at best nakedly partisan and at worst fundamentally don't believe in US society and government as it's now structured.

(I was looking up differences between US and Australian legal systems and came across a paper that referred to Justice Kennedy as a "swinger"... that is very much *not* the term we'd use for that here )