Starfield - Bethesda Next Big IP

I think it is more mature, but less interesting overall than their other exploration games (Fallout, Elder Scrolls).

Thank you. Does it play ok on a docked Deck?
Chad

I need a land rover and some kind of mod to remove the ridiculous oxygen/stamina limits.

This mod doesn't directly remove the limits but makes them kind of irrelevant by allowing you to fast travel to any location on your map. Not having to schlep all over the map was a game-changing QOL improvement for me.

Fast Travel To Unknown

Oh that does sound handy. I had a lot of fun but never finished up some story stuff. Keep meaning to go back

Finally finished my play through that I started at launch after 142 hours. Only achievements left were crafting and outpost related (and level 100) which I didn't really have the patience to do without mods. I can safely say that I enjoyed it. Some of the late game stuff was really cool.

When the DLC comes out, I'll probably start on the new game+ and install mods to streamline ship and outpost building. I didn't really engage with either that much because skill point and resource costs were too cumbersome.

Assuming you’ve played other Bethesda games, where does Starfield rank for you?

Chad

chooka1 wrote:

Assuming you’ve played other Bethesda games, where does Starfield rank for you?

Chad

Morrowind
Skyrim
Starfield
Fallout 3
Oblivion
Fallout 76

I haven't finished 76 and I enjoyed most of my time playing it, but I don't think I'll ever complete it due to it requiring coop play to advance the plot at some point. It is not a bad game, is what I'm trying to say.

Skyrim/ oblivion
Fallout 3
Fallout 4
Starfield

I can't say it is bad, just that I would play any other game before it.

Oblivion
Skyrim
….. huge gap ….
Starfield
Fallout 3
Fallout 4
Morrowind (i tried to play this multiple times before finally putting about 20 hours in last year. I’m sure it was amazing at the time, but I found it pretty rough without the nostalgia)

Feeank wrote:

I haven't finished 76 and I enjoyed most of my time playing it, but I don't think I'll ever complete it due to it requiring coop play to advance the plot at some point. It is not a bad game, is what I'm trying to say.

I’ve completed all the main storylines except for the new expansion story and to my memory none of them required coop play- there’s a couple points where you have to complete certain events which other players can freely join, but nothing that requires coordination or forming a group or anything, and aside from maybe the Earl boss fight nothing that isn’t possible to solo.

Of the ones I've finished, I guess I would say Skyrim, Starfield, Fallout 3. All three are pretty close. Skyrim wins out because the setting was better and combat was more interesting because of the magic. The powers in Starfield could have approximated the magic aspect but none of them were that interesting (I mostly just used the one that gave Dishonored vision). Starfield edges Fallout 3 because I thought the story was slightly better.

I hated playing Fallout 4 and gave up after 15 hours. I played maybe 20 hours of Oblivion on Xbox but got distracted and never went back (this is the main reason I stopped playing games on console, this happened a lot). I might go back to it on PC someday. I also have Arena, Daggerfall and Morrowind but I doubt I will ever play them at this point.

Games in order of quality of main story:
Fallout 76
Oblivion
Skyrim
Starfield
Morrowind
Fallout 3
Fallout 4

Games in order of the fun I had playing them:
Skyrim
Fallout 76
Fallout 4
Fallout 3
Oblivion
Starfield
Morrowind

Being on the bottom of this list doesn't mean I didn't greatly enjoy a game. I loved Morrowind, I just have enjoyed the others even more. Starfield could be ranked higher, as some of its systems were definitely better than similar systems in other games, but the shallowness of so many of those systems is why I ranked it near the bottom. It's also competing as a vanilla game against games that have many mods, which is really what makes Bethesda games shine.

Ranked in terms of how fondly I remember them.

In some cases this is due to story and character (okay, really only in one case -- not particularly a strong suit of Bethesda in my opinion), in some cases due to the joy and immersion of exploring the world, frequently due to how engaged I got playing with and exploiting the systems of the base game, and often due to how much fun I had playing with the mods people created for them, because that part is more inextricable from my experience of Bethesda games than it is for any other developer.

Oblivion
Fallout New Vegas
Skyrim
Fallout 3
Starfield
Morrowind
Fallout 4

And, the last three are very hard to rank, honestly. Morrowind is low mostly because it really just felt like a rough draft for a lot of things perfected in Oblivion, although it does have a really special and unique world. Meanwhile, I could definitely see myself eventually going back to either Fallout 4 or Starfield to play with mods (I never did with Fallout 4, and it's still a bit early to do with Starfield), and if I did they could easily find themselves moving up, particularly Starfield.

Fallout 4 is the lowest because that's where the formula really started to show its age for me, and there's very little that inspires me to go back and spend ages screwing around with mods the way I have for everything above it on the list. Meanwhile, even though the formula is even more creaky in Starfield, there's enough that's new about it that I could see a LOT of fun coming from returning to it once both the developers and the community have had time to take the bones of exciting new systems and really expand on them.

Morrowind-sceptism

N'wahs

Morrowind is certainly dated for 2024 standards, but its world-building is second to none, we're talking about a mythos so carefully constructed through dialogue, in-game books, art direction etc, and so well layered and peppered across Vvardenfell I still get goosebumps when I remember peeling those layers and finding out all the nuances that made the plot tick. Dagoth Ur is by far one of the most tragic villains in video game history, and the whole Nerevarine questline will have you checking the room for dust.

Edit: Gah.... I didn't mean to kill the discussion, other Bethesda games are good as well! just not as good.