NFL 2018 Offseason Thread

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

I am looking forward to the Hackenberg error era in CLE

If any name belongs on the back of that jersey, it's the Hack.

In sadder NFL news, Jim Kelly announced that his oral cancer has returned, and will undertake his second battle with the disease. Here's hoping for his success, and for many years of continued health with which to enjoy watching his son dominate the league.

Jayhawker and any other Madden fans, you can skip over this post.

Go on, nothing to see here.

....

OK, they're gone.

I saw this video during Pro Bowl week, and forgot about it until it popped up on YouTube again. This video demonstrates everything I hate about Madden, and I'm not even talking about the exceedingly obnoxious kid.

Just watch the gameplay. You'll understand. This is what high-level competitive Madden looks like.

Everything out of the shotgun. Everything. Every play is a pass unless you're at the goal line. Hot routing everything. Quarterbacks rolling out all the way to the sideline. How has it gone this many years, and the "simulation" is still gamed in exactly the same way? How has it not gotten ANY better?

It's just the NFL being played NCAA style. You aren't wrong, but Madden was never, and never will be a sim. Honestly, and I know you know this, 2K football was never sim. When Sierra killed the Front Page Sports series, it was themed of sports sims that aren't text sims.

But that doesn't make Madden not a good, strategic online sports game. You have tools to beat any play now. Money plays are legally dead if you spend any time at all trying to learn. And if you watch other guys, like Problem, there are also guys that primarily run first, and use that to set up play action. But, yeah, most madden guys are pass first, second ,and third. Then, if that doesn't work, pass on 4th.

And that is an issue, that many of these guys make dumb strategic moves when it come to going for it on 4th, and general clock management. It's best to view these games as being played entirely in the second half, so you are going to see more 4th down attempts, but many play as though defense and turnovers do not exist.

That kid is a piece of sh*t, though. He is enough of a douche to chase out other gamers from playing the game.

I really believe that there are better ways to construct teams than the way the big names in MUT do right now. But since everyone does it, there is no one really knows.

They are playing Salary Cap. In that mode, every team is going to be around 83-87 OVR. It just comes down to how you distribute cap points. Of course, everyone wants 92+ OVR guys at QB, WR, CB, and at least one Safety and LB. But that costs you to the point that some positions are just being ignored.

I had Jerome Bettis for my HB, at 55 cap points, but have since dropped back to Kareem Hunt, who has just 36 cap points. Those 19 points are pretty huge. I did finally grab a 92 OVR Dan Marino, because I don't roll out, and the dude just competes passes.

But what I want to do is really Moneyball this thing, but I'm just not good enough skill wise to even make that matter. You can see what kinds of rosters and depth charts guys are using. They have to be leaving themselves holes that can be exploited.

Personally, I finally just decided to embrace the Cyberball 2077 aspect of the game. I mean, the basics are there. Running can set up the pass, or vice versa. Pressure on the QB creates turnovers. Turnovers lose games. If you want it to look like the NFL, you will be disappointed. If you are just watching two guys square off in a strategy game based on the NFL, it's pretty great.

Well, unless it's one of those douche kids that think trash talking makes them look cool. But that's really only about 20% of the MUT guys they show on TV.

And, Legion, this just for you. Madden has a thing now where you can play the games of the current week with real stats and records. This the is the AFC Championship game. And no, I did not take the Patriots.

I specifically said not to read that post.

I liked your post to make up for it.

Jayhawker wrote:

When Sierra killed the Front Page Sports series, it was themed of sports sims that aren't text sims.

This brings back memories. I was working at the U. of Arkansas and a co-worker got me into an online league in this game. Had to be like '93 or something - I get everything in the early 90's all mixed up. We would set up our playbook and the commish would simulate the games. Being a 20-something douchebag, I made plays that were 'legal', but confused the defenses and let my WRs get open a lot, like wide open. And since I was a programmer, I wrote a program to look into the data files so I knew who to draft because of their potential.

I suck at Madden and other FB games which is what I get for being a cheater way back then. I accept my sentence.

-BEP

*Legion* wrote:

Jayhawker and any other Madden fans, you can skip over this post.

Go on, nothing to see here.

....

OK, they're gone.

I saw this video during Pro Bowl week, and forgot about it until it popped up on YouTube again. This video demonstrates everything I hate about Madden, and I'm not even talking about the exceedingly obnoxious kid.

Just watch the gameplay. You'll understand. This is what high-level competitive Madden looks like.

Everything out of the shotgun. Everything. Every play is a pass unless you're at the goal line. Hot routing everything. Quarterbacks rolling out all the way to the sideline. How has it gone this many years, and the "simulation" is still gamed in exactly the same way? How has it not gotten ANY better?

I think when the Jets are involved in any competitive tournament the idea of a "simulation" goes out the window

and that kid....

Saquon Barkley weighed in at 233 pounds and ran a 4.40 at the Combine.

That's Vernon Davis freak size/speed.

Tarik Cohen ran a 4.42 last year and he's 178 pounds. Christian McCaffrey ran 4.48 at 202 pounds.

If you're not on board with drafting a RB in the top 5, then close your eyes next month.

He's the best player in the draft.

Can we take him #1 overall and get Allen with the #4? That would make me very happy.

Shaquem Griffin does 20 reps on the bench press.

Wait, I forgot a few words . . . Shaquem Griffin does 20 reps on the bench press even though he was using a prosthetic because he has ONE HAND.

Uh, wow.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Shaquem Griffin does 20 reps on the bench press.

Wait, I forgot a few words . . . Shaquem Griffin does 20 reps on the bench press even though he was using a prosthetic because he has ONE HAND.

Uh, wow.

Tampa already drafted a defensive player with one good hand. Didn't they learn from that mistake?

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Can we take him #1 overall and get Allen with the #4? That would make me very happy.

You're on the Josh Allen train? Might as well have traded for Bortles. At least he's proven he can throw for about 60% completion percentage.

In all seriousness, it's probably best to take the QB you want 1st overall and hope Barkley falls to you. There's other high quality RBs this draft and missing on Barkley hurts (best receiving RB in forever), but isn't the end of the world this draft.

Missing out on your guy at QB and taking whoever falls to 1.22 is exactly what the Browns shouldn't do. Again.

garion333 wrote:

In all seriousness, it's probably best to take the QB you want 1st overall and hope Barkley falls to you. There's other high quality RBs this draft and missing on Barkley hurts (best receiving RB in forever), but isn't the end of the world this draft.

Missing out on your guy at QB and taking whoever falls to 1.22 is exactly what the Browns shouldn't do. Again.

Indianapolis is going to be a big threat to take Barkley at #3. They're letting Frank Gore walk, and he wasn't supposed to be a 16 game starter for 3 years for them anyway, but they failed to come up with any reasonable alternative.

They're zero threat to take a quarterback, unless something drastic happens with Luck's recovery.

The Giants are penciled in by most to take a QB, but they're a threat to take Barkley too. Their RB depth chart is... well Orleans Darkwa is a free agent, which just leaves Shane Vereen and a collection of late rounders and street free agents. Paul Perkins was the starter before his injury put Darkwa in, and he averaged 2.2 per carry, so... it just wouldn't floor me if they liked Barkley better than their QB options, especially if Cleveland took one off the board at #1 that they liked.

Of course, if you take Barkley with the idea that there's 2 QBs you like and one will last to #4, the threat there is that Indy could trade out of their spot, and QBs could come off the board at #2 and #3 both.

Indianapolis has gotta take Edge Chubb. They need pass rush more than anything other than OL.

Barkley is the only other possible pick there, or trading down.

garion333 wrote:

Indianapolis has gotta take Edge Chubb. They need pass rush more than anything other than OL.

I refuse to believe that name is real. Same with Jake Butt.

cube wrote:
garion333 wrote:

Indianapolis has gotta take Edge Chubb. They need pass rush more than anything other than OL.

I refuse to believe that name is real. Same with Jake Butt.

That's cause it's not. There's multiple players with the last name Chubb in this draft so I meant OLB/DE/EDGE and not Edgerrin.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Shaquem Griffin does 20 reps on the bench press.

Wait, I forgot a few words . . . Shaquem Griffin does 20 reps on the bench press even though he was using a prosthetic because he has ONE HAND.

Uh, wow.

As if that wasn't enough, dude ran a 4.38 40 that's the fastest from the LB position in 15 years.

Granted, at 227 lbs, he's closer to a LB/S hybrid, but that's still blazing fast for a 220 lb safety, so...

I had a WR post ready to go pre-Combine but realized I didn't know near enough about the WR class other than it's not terribly good at the top. Now, post-combine, I have a couple quick thoughts.

I guess D.J. Moore isn't gonna fall to the 2nd anymore after his combine performance.

Courtland Sutton put on a good show for his size, but Calvin Ridley likely hurt his draft stock with a ho hum performance. Ridley is all over the place with his times/presses but this is also coupled with inconsistent production in college. I'd avoid Ridley at this point (in the 1st, his route running is still excellent enough to take a shot on) and take the 6'3"+ Sutton over him. Sutton has the college production and will be a red zone stud in the NFL.

As far as TEs, Mike Gesicki is a super athlete. His basketball background is what's hot in TEs right now, so I more than expect someone to snag him in the 1st based on his athletic perfomance.

garion333 wrote:
cube wrote:
garion333 wrote:

Indianapolis has gotta take Edge Chubb. They need pass rush more than anything other than OL.

I refuse to believe that name is real. Same with Jake Butt.

That's cause it's not. There's multiple players with the last name Chubb in this draft so I meant OLB/DE/EDGE and not Edgerrin.

When life is like a Key and Peele sketch....

garion333 wrote:

I had a WR post ready to go pre-Combine but realized I didn't know near enough about the WR class other than it's not terribly good at the top.

Receiver is the hardest position to grade for the draft.

Half of their tape is worthless, as it's them catching passes against air, because college DBs are so bad.

Then the other half of their tape is worthless because it's all bubble screens.

"Multiple reports" from Denver and New York suggesting that Cousins has already decided to sign with the Vikings. This has made sense to me for some time, given that Denver and New York are both in a position to draft a QB while Minnesota isn't, and Minnesota's lack of commitment to the guys they had on their roster last year suggested to me that they felt they had a strong chance to pull in Cousins.

Jags are "heavily interested" in the free agent QB market. Hopefully that means Teddy Bridgewater. I wanted Bridgewater the day they drafted Bortles, and I want him now as a guy whose risk factors the team can take on since Bortles is in place. It better not mean Blaine Gabbert.

Mo Wilkerson seems a good bet to sign with Green Bay. He's making it his first free agent visit, and it almost sounds like it's a formality more than anything.

Miami has been said to be right there alongside Jacksonville with "heavy interest" in the free agent QB market. They're also strongly rumored to be looking hard at Baker Mayfield for pick #11.

Gabbert and Bortles on the same team at the same time? The forums couldn't handle that.

Good news, Patriot fans, it seems like the Texans have decided to claim the mantle of easiest NFL franchise to hate.

NFL agents reportedly say Texans won’t sign players who knelt during national anthem

Houston Chronicle columnist Jerome Solomon reported Saturday that he “spoke with two NFL agents this week who said word is the Texans aren’t interested in any players who participated in pregame kneel-downs in protest of police brutality.”

“There is no directive within the organization, but it is considered to be understood that as desperate as the Texans are to bring in talent, the pool of potential signees and draftees will not include anyone who has participated in protests or are likely to,” Solomon continued. He added that while the Texans “are not a racist organization,” the team’s owner has frequently been “racially tone deaf,” and there are “many who believe if McNair could field a team with all-white, all-conforming all-pro talent, he would.”

During that game, many Houston players took a knee and linked arms for the national anthem, after staging almost no such demonstrations before then. After a sack of Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson, Seahawks defensive end Michael Bennett, who spent the season sitting on the bench during the anthem, celebrated by taking a knee at midfield.

At the time, it wasn’t lost on many players that McNair was a major supporter of President Trump. Longtime former Texans left tackle Duane Brown, who raised his fist during the anthem in September 2016 and who was traded to the Seahawks shortly after the game at Seattle, noted that McNair addressed the team in 2008 and expressed his unhappiness at the electoral victory of Barack Obama.

Trump has been sharply critical of the NFL’s protests, and his comments at a rally in Alabama before Week 3, in which he advocated that teams fire “son of a b—-” players who declined to stand during the anthem, sparked large demonstrations by players before games across the league. Should the Texans be intent on taking those protests into account, they may have a very tough time singling out acceptable targets in free agency.

Or, as Solomon put it, “If the Texans are determined to field a team without players who are concerned about their community enough to occasionally be outspoken, or to perhaps participate in a silent protest, they are risking turning away players who could help them win a Super Bowl. That would be a mistake.”

He added that while the Texans “are not a racist organization,”

When you have to slip that in there, you've gone wrong somewhere.

Hopefully they lose out on a lot more free agents than just ones that protested.

"He's not racist, he just wants an all-white team..."

Um that's racist. I wonder what the players can really do if they want to get off of that team. I hope this hurts their ticket and merchandise and advertiser sales, but it is Texas so maybe it won't.

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Jeff Triplette and Ed Hochuli are retiring.

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Alex Kemp and Shawn Hochuli being promoted.

Every time a referee steps down and it's not Jerome Boger, I cry inside a little.

*Legion* wrote:

Every time a referee steps down and it's not Jerome Boger, I cry inside a little.

Jeff Triplette vs. Jerome Boger . . . that's a tough one. Triplette's had so many famously awful calls.

One thing from Combine weekend that slipped my attention: Baker Mayfield ran a 4.84 40.

For a guy that did a lot of scramble-around football, that's pretty slow. Russell Wilson ran a 4.55. Brett Favre reportedly ran in the 4.5s out of college. Manziel ran 4.68. Tim Tebow ran 4.71. And obviously guys like RG3 (4.41), Mariota (4.48), Kaepernick (4.53) and all the QBs of that ilk run a lot faster than that.

That puts him much closer to Blake Bortles foot speed (4.93) than it does athletic QBs with escape ability.

I look forward to Cleveland drafting him #1 overall.