NFL 2018 Offseason Thread

Jayhawker wrote:

They couldn’t even get Indy and Cleveland to bite.

Yeah, the fact that both Ballard and Dorsey, the two highest personnel guys for the Chiefs when the drafted Peters, both want nothing to do with Peters at this point even at a bargain price, says pretty much all you need to know.

I mean both of those guys were in KC through to the end of 2016, so they saw Peters at his back-to-back Pro Bowl height. Still, no interest. Wow. That says he's probably more toxic than the incidents that have become public.

Epic QB post, Legion. More of those.

*Legion* wrote:
Jayhawker wrote:

They couldn’t even get Indy and Cleveland to bite.

Yeah, the fact that both Ballard and Dorsey, the two highest personnel guys for the Chiefs when the drafted Peters, both want nothing to do with Peters at this point even at a bargain price, says pretty much all you need to know.

I mean both of those guys were in KC through to the end of 2016, so they saw Peters at his back-to-back Pro Bowl height. Still, no interest. Wow. That says he's probably more toxic than the incidents that have become public.

And he wasn't even that good last year. Bye, Felicia.

*Legion* wrote:

Lamar Jackson is my #3. I think he's a low 1st round prospect.

Hmmm . . . so you root for a team, desperately want them to get a QB, and Lamar Jackson just happens to fit the draft position of that team . . .

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

Lamar Jackson is my #3. I think he's a low 1st round prospect.

Hmmm . . . so you root for a team, desperately want them to get a QB, and Lamar Jackson just happens to fit the draft position of that team . . .

Well there's a difference between where I would grade a prospect, and where I think they will actually get taken. Like I'm grading Mayfield and Allen outside of round 1, but no way are they not getting taken in the 1st.

I'm not optimistic that Lamar Jackson will be on the board when pick #29 comes around. Especially If he throws well in workouts. I think the Jags are more realistically going to be looking at the next lower tier of QBs, and probably with a 2nd round pick rather than pick #29.

I've seen mocks that have Jackson going off the board to Arizona at #15, LA Chargers at #17 for an heir apparent to Rivers, and Buffalo at one of their #21/#22 picks. If 4 QBs do go in the top 10, the odds of Jackson making it to #29 aren't great.

*Legion* wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

Lamar Jackson is my #3. I think he's a low 1st round prospect.

Hmmm . . . so you root for a team, desperately want them to get a QB, and Lamar Jackson just happens to fit the draft position of that team . . .

Well there's a difference between where I would grade a prospect, and where I think they will actually get taken. Like I'm grading Mayfield and Allen outside of round 1, but no way are they not getting taken in the 1st.

I'm not optimistic that Lamar Jackson will be on the board when pick #29 comes around. Especially If he throws well in workouts. I think the Jags are more realistically going to be looking at the next lower tier of QBs, and probably with a 2nd round pick rather than pick #29.

I've seen mocks that have Jackson going off the board to Arizona at #15, LA Chargers at #17 for an heir apparent to Rivers, and Buffalo at one of their #21/#22 picks. If 4 QBs do go in the top 10, the odds of Jackson making it to #29 aren't great.

Four QBs could go in the top six; Cleveland, Buffalo, and both NYC teams. I'm all for that, as if the Bucs can get Chubb or Minkah Fitzpatrick I'm a happy camper.

You're expecting Buffalo to trade those two picks with, I'd imagine, Indy? Or Cleveland's #4 pick?

Certainly could happen.

I'm guessing in this scenario that Cousins is in Denver? Or Minnesota?

One way or another, I expect something similar to this to happen. I think 3 quarterbacks in the top 10 is the absolute minimum that will happen, and 4 seems more likely than not, even if Cousins takes one of those top 10 teams out of the QB market.

*Legion* wrote:

You're expecting Buffalo to trade those two picks with, I'd imagine, Indy? Or Cleveland's #4 pick?

Certainly could happen.

I'm guessing in this scenario that Cousins is in Denver? Or Minnesota?

One way or another, I expect something similar to this to happen. I think 3 quarterbacks in the top 10 is the absolute minimum that will happen, and 4 seems more likely than not, even if Cousins takes one of those top 10 teams out of the QB market.

I couldn't remember the draft order so glanced on NFL.com at a mock and they'd had Buffalo trading into Denver's spot. This is what I get for not paying attention. At all.

Well, for the Cousins sweepstakes, Jacksonville is out (sadtrombone.wav) and, from what I've read, Arizona's GM tends to not get included in bidding wars, so they're likely out. The Jets certainly make some sense in that it's a big market and they're willing to spend, but the Jets are AWFUL, and I'm not sure how much I'd want to be part of rebuilding if I have my choice of teams. Denver has a solid roster and Minnesota is even better, so, if I've been the recipient of two consecutive franchise tag salaries, I'd personally choose a slightly better situation for slightly less money and go for one of those teams.

I'd think the Jets would throw a huge bucket of money at Cousins, but, man, the Jets are not good. I think the Jetsiest of situations is that Darnold, Rosen, and Mayfield go in some way to Cleveland, the Giants, and Denver, and then the Jets take Josh Allen and he turns into Ryan Tannehill 2.0, the guy who's got all the physical tools and is eternally one year away from really turning it on.

Tannehill is underrated though. His numbers are better than most people think, and PFF grades him 80 or better every season. He's just like never better than the 12th best quarterback in the NFL, and never worse than the 16th. Always at the bottom of the upper half of the league's starters. Never great, never horrible, always just "good". The quintessential Miami Dolphin, the team who lives its life in the space between 7-9 and 10-6.

Allen feels more boom-or-bust to me than that.

Tannehill > Flacco

Packers in talks with Aaron Rodgers for his next contract extension.

In other news, Sam Darnold won't be participating in throwing drills at the Combine. Can't let 'em see you wind-up.

Enix wrote:

Meanwhile, let's play word association: The Panthers are to running backs (once upon a time, anyway) as blank is to quarterbacks. Answer below.

Spoiler:

The correct answer is ... Vikings! They have Bridgewater, Keenum and Bradford on the roster, but now it looks like they'll be a late entry in the Kirk Cousins "sweepstakes."

Spoiler:

I put "sweepstakes" in quotes because Cousins is a booby prize.

Eh, I guess I didn't set up the joke very well. The joke is that Carolina once had 28 running backs (more or less) on its roster, and now Minnesota will have four QBs.

When the dust settles it might be just one (Bridgewater) or two (Teddy+Cousins). But that's a lot of starting-caliber QBs on one team when some other teams don't have one, even if you could surgically combine the starter and a backup or two.

That said, I don't know if it's medically possible. (The Browns have probably tried already; anyone seen Brady Quinn or Charlie Frye recently?) But I'm not a QB guru so.

P.S. To go back to Legion's earlier epic QB post (more, please!): I hope folks don't compare Mayfield to Manziel on off-the-field stuff. Turns out that Johnny Football has a serious mental illness coupled with alcoholism that, while it doesn't excuse his behavior, explains a good deal of it. (Ya gotta take care of your business, folks!)

Mayfield, meanwhile, appears to be your standard-issue jock asshole.

Enix wrote:

P.S. To go back to Legion's earlier epic QB post (more, please!): I hope folks don't compare Mayfield to Manziel on off-the-field stuff. Turns out that Johnny Football has a serious mental illness coupled with alcoholism that, while it doesn't excuse his behavior, explains a good deal of it. (Ya gotta take care of your business, folks!)

Mayfield, meanwhile, appears to be your standard-issue jock asshole.

Wow, Manziel sounds completely different. Maybe this time he's serious. Bipolar would certainly explain why he never woke up on his own when everything was burning down around him.

And to be fair to Mayfield, he has walked on to two colleges and kicked ass at both. Not sure his skillset will translate terribly well to the NFL.

“Everyone dreams of making $100 million dollars … That was never something that was very important to me. Signing this second deal with the team that drafted me was my goal from the beginning. It has been done, and I am excited and thrilled and proud of myself for being able to do that.”

—Jacksonville quarterback Blake Bortles, after signing a three-year extension, through 2020, with the Jaguars on Saturday night.

Reach for the stars, Blake. Be just good enough to get a second contract, but not good enough to deserve a big contract.

In gripping Pizza news

Trump and Jerrah BFF Papa Johns is out.. Dubious Quality Pizza the Hut is in!! Looking forward to the ever Charismatic Nick Foles hoisting a slice and saying mmm mmm thats some good slice.

In gripping Panthers news, RB Jonathan Stewart is now an ex-Panther. Out after 10 seasons.

Enix wrote:

The correct answer is ... Vikings! They have Bridgewater, Keenum and Bradford on the roster, but now it looks like they'll be a late entry in the Kirk Cousins "sweepstakes."

The Vikings only have 1 quarterback on their roster, and it's Kyle Sloter.

Those other guys are unrestricted free agents. They're as much Carolina Panthers or New York Jets are they are Minnesota Vikings, since the team didn't tag any of them.

TheGameguru wrote:

In gripping Pizza news

Trump and Jerrah BFF Papa Johns is out.. Dubious Quality Pizza the Hut is in!!

Bring back the delightfully terrible P'zone.

Mike Glennon released by Bears. Shocking move! Now he can go start for the Browns who will then replace him a couple weeks in with their 1st round QB.

*Legion* wrote:
Enix wrote:

The correct answer is ... Vikings! They have Bridgewater, Keenum and Bradford on the roster, but now it looks like they'll be a late entry in the Kirk Cousins "sweepstakes."

The Vikings only have 1 quarterback on their roster, and it's Kyle Sloter.

Those other guys are unrestricted free agents. They're as much Carolina Panthers or New York Jets are they are Minnesota Vikings, since the team didn't tag any of them.

Dammit, Legion, stop being so literal. I was hoping that the Vikings would start 11 QBs on offense next see. You get Jared Lorenzen and four of his friends on the O-line and it might work, actually. Hmm ...

Enix wrote:

Dammit, Legion, stop being so literal. I was hoping that the Vikings would start 11 QBs on offense next see. You get Jared Lorenzen and four of his friends on the O-line and it might work, actually. Hmm ...

I believe this is what you're looking for:

*Legion* wrote:

I believe this is what you're looking for:

"Jameis Winston, hyping up the away crowd. Way to go buddy!"

SO TRUE TO LIFE

Jameis wants you to eat a W-T-F.

Falcons looking to extend Matt Ryan in the "relatively near future"

Garoppolo could be pushed down to the 4th richest QB contract before the season even starts, if Rodgers and Ryan sign their extensions by August, along with the deal Kirk Cousins signs.

*Legion* wrote:

Falcons looking to extend Matt Ryan in the "relatively near future"

Garoppolo could be pushed down to the 4th richest QB contract before the season even starts, if Rodgers and Ryan sign their extensions by August, along with the deal Kirk Cousins signs.

Plus the inevitable top-tier Mike Glennon contract that I'm sure is just pending.

Glennon is going to be an interesting case. I expect he's going to end up signing somewhere as a clear #2 rather than a compete-for-the-#1 spot, in part because there's just too many quarterbacks in this draft, on top of the 3 from last year that will start the season as undisputed starters (Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson), plus the one that will emerge in camp and steal the job ($wag Kelly).

Not to mention Glennon is going to have to get in line behind a veteran group with Keenum, Bradford, Bridgewater, McCarron, possibly Tyrod Taylor, and I still think Foles is going to end up out there as a trade option.

Kelly will end up starting, you'll see.

Chad Kelly Facts:

* Better career accuracy than Allen, Jackson, and Rosen
* Better career YPA than Allen, Jackson, and Rosen (tied with Darnold)
* Better career passer average than Allen, Jackson, and Rosen
* Better career rushing yards than Allen, Rosen, and Darnold
* Better career rushing YPA than Allen, Rosen, and Darnold
* Better career punting average (43.7) than Rosen (25.0, the only one of the four with punting stats)

$wag Kelly is the complete player.

EDIT: Another fact:

* More accurate than any other QB in Sports Science tests (beating previous record holder Drew Brees)

Spoiler:

Sports Science guy: "No one has ever gone 10-for-10 from 15 yards. Nobody!"
$wag: "It happened today."

I love this guy.

You forgot:

* Fewer playoff losses than Bortles and Brady
* Fewer pick sixes than Bortles and Brady
* Fewer missed FGs than Aguayo

Spoiler:

In all honesty, he fell so far because of Manziel.

Someone posted a mock draft on Reddit that included this trade for pick #4:

TRADE 1.06, 3.72, 2018 6TH ROUND PICK, 2019 2ND ROUND PICK AND QB CHRISTIAN HACKENBERG TO BROWNS FOR 1.04

Intrigued, I had to pull out the draft pick valuation chart.

Problem: Solve for Hackenberg

BROWNS
1.04: 1800 points
TOTAL: 1800 points

JETS
1.06: 1600 points
3.72: 230 points
6.179: 20 points
2019 2nd (equal to 2018 3rd): ~200 points
SUBTOTAL: 2050 points

2050 + Christian Hackenberg = 1800

Christian Hackenberg = -250 points

Yup, that all checks out.

I am looking forward to the Hackenberg error era in CLE