Solo: A Star Wars Story Thread. Don't tell me the odds!

I don't think Val was fridged. From my recollection, she died a heroic death, and it wasn't just to motivate some male character. Beckett had plenty of motivation just dealing with Vos. Mine is not a popular opinion, though. A lot of electrons have been spilled on a lot of web articles about Val's tragic and abrupt end.

It was unfortunate Thandie Newton didn't get more to do in the movie, but sadly the fate of most of the secondary characters was the same.

Lando's female droid on the other hand, had all kinds of character problems, from her sincere activism being turned into a joke, to her apparent sexual attraction to Lando, to her fate - the worst imaginable for someone who spent their life fighting for droid independence.

The Women in Refrigerators trope is sadly a go-to in far too many movies. It just needs to go away. By the same token, though, every time a strong female character dies in a movie, it is not necessarily an instance of that trope.

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Lando's female droid on the other hand, had all kinds of character problems, from her sincere activism being turned into a joke, to her apparent sexual attraction to Lando, to her fate - the worst imaginable for someone who spent their life fighting for droid independence.

The Women in Refrigerators trope is sadly a go-to in far too many movies. It just needs to go away. By the same token, though, every time a strong female character dies in a movie, it is not necessarily an instance of that trope.

Agreed and agreed. Ugh. I just realized L3 was bridged. How hard would it have been to work in L3 coming up with the idea of being plugged in to survive? Like a temporary transplant. Or at the very least a last will and testament along those lines. Yeah, it would have involved a old western-like death scene, but that's pretty much the vibe they were going for anyway. I'll take a deus ex machina over what she got any day.

In terms of Val, Beckett didn't go on a mission of vengeance, but her entire character's existence, including her ultimate demise, served Beckett's story, not her own. In her own words she died for him. Which combined with how little material in general they gave Thandie Newton to work with, for me places it in the fridging column.

I can get why some folks may not consider that a "traditional" fridging, as unfortunate it is that's even a concept we understand. But for me when the woman's story can't stand on its own and even her death revolves around the dude...

And I liked the movie. Even as-is how the movie was promoted/rolled out/developed seems more to blame than the film itself. But the things we're discussing are the themes that prevented me from considering it "great".

Yeah, I have to agree. My enjoyment of the movie centered on the action parts of the plot, even technical aspects like cinematography and acting. However, most certainly NOT the characterizations.

Solo Train Heist - 16 Bit Scenes

I just saw Solo today now that it is out on digital and I really enjoyed it. Donald Glover just f*cking killed it as Lando. And L3 was awesome, very much like K-2SO was in Rogue One. I think I've enjoyed Solo and Rogue One more than the latest two "Star Wars" titled movies.

I also liked Solo and Rogue One a lot, but I liked The Last Jedi more, mainly due to the progression of Kylo and Rey.