[News] Around The Rest of World

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Thanks Kram. I was just curious how different it might be from the US. Not so very.

I’m going to venture a guess that most first and second world country citizens have a lot of faith in systemic stability.

And please stay safe.

I'll +1 what Kram said.

Generally speaking most South Africans pretty much assume things are going to be fine. Every now and then some rumour does the rounds among paranoid White people that there's a racial reckoning coming, and there is definitely a small group actually hoping for that to come. But they are a minority.

If there are spells of unrest it's usually localised and a couple of days, this is the biggest, maybe ever?

I think the last period has upped a certain paranoia level. There's ideas among people that lockdowns were a government power grab, so yeah, very much like the US. :/

And a lot of industries are struggling financially, people are out of work and desperate. There was definitely a spark over the whole Zuma issue, but I suspect a lot of the widespread looting was opportunistic.

A lot of South Africans are armed too, but there isn't the gun culture the US has, and guns are well regulated.

These events have seen local armed groups patrolling for community defence in partnership with the police. Honestly I had a laugh, but the local guys did hold off groups of looters without bloodshed and prevented looting in our local malls. Areas that didn't have that are struggling to get supplies. Although things seem to be settling down and stores will start stocking up now. A lot of warehouses were looted and burned down so some things will be difficult to get for a while.

South Africa riots over Zuma jailing pre-planned - Cyril Ramaphosa

South Africa President Cyril Ramaphosa has said the violence that has rocked the country was pre-planned, describing it as an assault on democracy.

Riots were sparked by the jailing of former President Jacob Zuma.

The death toll has risen to 212, up by almost 100 since Thursday, the government said.

Police officers have been protecting deliveries of food to supermarkets after days of widespread looting led to shortages.

An estimated $1bn (£720m) worth of stock was stolen in KwaZulu-Natal with at least 800 retail shops looted, a mayor in the province said.

"It is quite clear that all these incidents of unrest and looting were instigated - there were people who planned it and coordinated it," Mr Ramaphosa said in a visit to KwaZulu-Natal, Mr Zuma's home province and the epicentre of the violence.

The president said the riots were an attempt to hijack South Africa's democracy. He told cheering party supporters that instigators had been identified, but didn't elaborate.

"We are going after them," he told reporters.

In KwaZulu-Natal, many have been queueing for food, with some lining up from the early hours of the morning just to get a few items.

People queueing told the BBC they were concerned about feeding their families, getting formula and nappies for their babies, and even food for their pets.

The week of violence in the province has left roads damaged or blocked by rioters and the government wants to make sure the food supply is not disrupted, said Khumbudzo Ntshavheni, an acting minister.

Members of the army have been deployed to protect national key flashpoints and the police are providing escorts for the transportation of oxygen, medicines and other key goods, she said.

MrDevil909 wrote:

If there are spells of unrest it's usually localised and a couple of days, this is the biggest, maybe ever?

I guess I should explain part of where the question came from. I remember SA and Rhodesia and all the troubles in the 70's and 80's. I saw some really brutal scenes of fighting. In those days, there were periods where there were active insurgencies and also roving groups of vigilantes (I guess that's the word) looking for people from the other side. Isolated farms were raided and burned, townships went up periodically, and if I remember correctly that was also the time of the homelands in Transvaal and Natal. So for me, I was not sure if that was all maintained in the popular memory, or considered as times gone by.

Yeah, you remember 100% correctly.

While under apartheid there was a lot of violence and brutality and I was young even towards the end so I can't directly remember much. I don't think entire urban centres saw anything like this though. Homeland and townships saw most of the violence with some isolated urban attacks.

That's what I recall too. Urban violence was in the townships. Well, I'm glad you're safe and things are settling down a bit.