NFL 2017 Playoffs Wild Card Thread

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Oh, hey, look who forgot to do the Wild Card round thread.

The Bills and Jaguars are in the playoffs. Not only that, but either the Bills or Jaguars will win a playoff game. All things are possible.

Except Cleveland winning. You have to hand it to Corey Coleman. I mean, literally; if you throw it to him, he’ll drop it.

Andy Dalton pulls out an amazing play to give the Bengals the win over the Ravens, and Joe Flacco pulls out . . . himself. No, not like that. Gross.

Being I root for a bad team and am already tracking the draft, it’s going to be interesting; Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, and Josh Allen are likely to all be top picks, and that’s even before the hype machine really kicks in for guys like Lamar Jackson or Baker Mayfield. There’s a solid chance Darnold, Rosen, and Allen don’t make it out of the top four of the draft.

News came out this week of a pending crisis in New England; rumor has it Belichick wanted to move on from Brady after this offseason and move on to a dreamy future with his young, strapping mid-life crisis of a QB in Jimmy G, but Tom Brady went to Robert Kraft and got Jimmy G traded. It seems very plausible, as Belichick would stab his mother in order to improve his team, and Kraft and Brady both have a desire to preserve a legacy. Presuming this is true, it feels like everybody really kind of has a valid point here.

Jim Caldwell was fired by Detroit after failing to make the playoffs. He had three winning records in four years, making the playoffs twice. Because that is somehow not good enough. In Detroit.

Jon Gruden has been offered a ten-year, $100 million contract to coach the Raiders. Jon Gruden is known as an offensive genius. Jon Gruden is not an offensive genius; in his seven years coaching the Bucs, the team’s highest finish in points scored was 18th, and had top ten in yards once (they were 10th). Jon Gruden is a marketing campaign who lucked into one of the singly best defenses of all time, and this move is so bad the Browns wouldn’t even consider it. I’m basically just pasting in a post I put on Football Outsiders, for convenience sake:

Gruden was coach in Tampa from 2002-2008. Here's a link to PFR, showing the team's drafting during that era:

http://pfref.com/tiny/9PhBw

Using Career AV as a convenient short-cut for quality of career, Gruden's draft record is somewhere between "abysmal" and "drunk Matt Millen". 61 players were drafted. Of those:

-50+ Career AV: Aqib Talib (57). Most with somebody else, obviously.

-40+ Career AV: Jeremy Zuttah (47), Davin Joseph (45), Barrett Ruud (41). When two decent linemen fall 2-3 over the course of your drafting history, not really a good sign, right?

-30+ Career AV: Jeremy Trueblood (36), Jermaine Philips (32), Geno Hayes (31).

I'll stop there, because, conveniently enough, that's seven players with 30+ Career AV in seven drafts. Outside of Talib (who, being a moron aside, is an excellent CB) and Zuttah (who provided a lot of value for a third-round pick), there's basically nothing there to be excited by considering draft position. Sure, Gruden was not solely responsible for drafting (thanks, Rich McKay), but he's in that process, and the team drafted consistently god-freaking-awfully. Gruden feuded with his players, cycled through a series of awful veteran QBs in order to try to find the second coming of Rich Gannon (seriously, how sad is that sentence), drafted badly, failed to create good offenses even with his much-touted GENIUS, and, even with the benefit of that 12-4 record that first year thanks to one of the singly-greatest defenses ever field, still managed to leave the Bucs with an aggregate losing record.

Hiring Gruden on a normal contract is something I would think would be a bad idea. This contract is so bad it makes me wonder if Al crawled out of the grave and started making decisions again.

No more game picks.
Tennessee Titans at Kansas City Chiefs: There’s always one incredibly uninspiring “well, I guess someone had to make it” team, and that’s the Titans. It feels like they went 6-10, which they probably would have without Indianapolis and Watson-less Texans teams on the schedule. Both these teams are just playing so they can lose badly in the next round.

Buffalo Bills at Jacksonville Jaguars: I’m really tempted to go Buffalo here, largely for pure humor value. Bortles is starting to look more and more Bortle-y in recent weeks, and there’s a solid chance he has a four TD this weekend, with one of those TDs even going to his own team.

Atlanta Falcons at Los Angeles Rams: The Rams hosting a playoff game? Screw Jeff Fisher and his utter incompetence. Anyways, the Falcons need to score a lot to win this, and Aaron Donald is going to spend half the game sitting on Matt Ryan’s face.

Carolina Panthers at New Orleans Saints: Cam Newton was freaking awful last weekend, and the Saints are far better indoors than out. Feels like a very ugly game.

Imma get the final pick'em calculations ready this weekend.

Am definitely hoping the Rams win that game, beyond that, full on Jags bandwagon since no stakes in any of the teams playing.

*Legion* wrote:

Imma get the final pick'em calculations ready after I visit the trophy shop this weekend.

FTFY.

TIL in this thread: the Titans are in the playoffs.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Except Cleveland winning. You have to hand it to Corey Coleman. I mean, literally; if you throw it to him, he’ll drop it.

Ha. ha. hahaha.

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For me, the big question surrounding Gruden was what it will mean for Reggie McKenzie.

Apparently Reggie thinks it won't change much, as he declined an interview for the GM job in Green Bay (McKenzie came up in the GB personnel department under Ron Wolf and later Ted Thompson)

Either Gruden has no interest in running personnel, which may be true, or I see this becoming an issue later.

*Legion* wrote:

For me, the big question surrounding Gruden was what it will mean for Reggie McKenzie.

Apparently Reggie thinks it won't change much, as he declined an interview for the GM job in Green Bay (McKenzie came up in the GB personnel department under Ron Wolf and later Ted Thompson)

Either Gruden has no interest in running personnel, which may be true, or I see this becoming an issue later.

Does Jon Gruden really seem like the kind of guy who wouldn't want a significant say in personnel decisions? Based on his interactions with his players in the past, he's very much a "my way or the highway" kind of guy. I don't see how he doesn't get to butt in to the draft/free agent process here.

Sorry for disappearing today, had to pick up a projectile vomiting baby from daycare today. Not how envisioned my Friday at home...

That said, can't wait to watch the Flacco vid!

In other news, Robert Mays writes about Aaron Donald and he's now fully my dark horse candidate for MVP.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

For me, the big question surrounding Gruden was what it will mean for Reggie McKenzie.

Apparently Reggie thinks it won't change much, as he declined an interview for the GM job in Green Bay (McKenzie came up in the GB personnel department under Ron Wolf and later Ted Thompson)

Either Gruden has no interest in running personnel, which may be true, or I see this becoming an issue later.

Does Jon Gruden really seem like the kind of guy who wouldn't want a significant say in personnel decisions? Based on his interactions with his players in the past, he's very much a "my way or the highway" kind of guy. I don't see how he doesn't get to butt in to the draft/free agent process here.

Well apparently, the Raiders are going to add a VP of football ops (similar to what the Jags did with Tom Coughlin) who will be the personnel authority above Reggie McKenzie.

So there's definitely power structuring happening there, but this arrangement means it seems even less likely Gruden will have any real personnel control. He'll obviously have the same collaborator input any head coach does with a front office, but it doesn't look like he will have personnel authority if this report is accurate.

Still though even if Gruden doesn’t, I would say the Packers job is an upgrade. Maybe Reggie just didn’t want to live in Green Bay I guess.

LeapingGnome wrote:

Still though even if Gruden doesn’t, I would say the Packers job is an upgrade. Maybe Reggie just didn’t want to live in Green Bay I guess.

Yeah, I am surprised a little that he didn't take the interview. But then again, taking the interview might be interpreted as not being committed to Oakland/Vegas (at a time when the power structure is being reconsidered), and there was no guarantee he would get the Packers job.

Still, I think he would take it if he was feeling unsure about his footing in the Raiders organization. That he didn't makes me think he's confident in his spot in the structure.

I gotta feel one road team gets a win this weekend but I’m having a hard time imagining who it could be.

So I’m going to go with the Titans

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Buckle up, folks, as the New York Daily News is reporting that Bill Belichick is interested in the Giants' head coaching vacancy.

Rat Boy wrote:

Buckle up, folks, as the New York Daily News is reporting that Bill Belichick is interested in the Giants' head coaching vacancy.

Hmm. I wonder what Dave Gettleman thinks about that. BB obviously has been GM in New England for a long time, though they have had guys as VP of player personnel acting in GM-like capacities (Scott Pioli, Nick Caserio).

Still, I wonder if Gettleman would be willing to cede as much control as BB would seem to expect, or maybe if BB would accept a guy like Gettleman being GM in exchange to get out of the seemingly deteriorating New England situation.

Garoppolo-gasm incoming. Look forward to hearing this stuff all offseason!

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Oh geeze I don't think I can handle a football season where BOTH of Legion's teams are doing well

karmajay wrote:

Oh geeze I don't think I can handle a football season where BOTH of Legion's teams are doing well

I am still in wait and see mode, we need more than five games to tell anything real. How quickly people forget like Nick Foles and other recent short term QB wonders.

There's a pretty stark difference between 2013 Foles and 2017 Garoppolo though. Even if you look at 2014 season previews, before Foles tanked, you can see the difference in narrative.

Foles was assumed by many to be a product of the system, and those people were quickly proven right. Foles feasted on wide throwing lanes in a system that demanded little in terms of reads, and geared itself to keeping him out of pressure. (Foles in 2013 was among the league's worst when pressured by blitz).

It's the scouting analysis, not the stats, that has people excited about Garoppolo.

It could still all fall apart, but there is a reason the response to his play has been somewhat different from other short-term performing QBs.

All the same film analysis also said Goff was a bust.

garion333 wrote:

All the same film analysis also said Goff was a bust.

And he would have been if the Fisher Hex was never lifted!

TheGameguru wrote:

I gotta feel one road team gets a win this weekend but I’m having a hard time imagining who it could be.

So I’m going to go with the Titans

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Rams
Saints

I love the Andy Reid is still going to break your heart.

Oh, and Chiefs fans are asking Buffalo fans to hold their beers. And yeah, the fact that they are doing the tomahawk chop chant makes this even worse.

Unless finger -> butt is involved, Kansas City has a ways to go in order to catch up with Buffalo fans.

Edit: And they got talking about Gruden to the Raiders out of the way early.

Alex Smith out there makin' money.

Mariota self-pass TD!

How is Tennessee still in this? What's your team's deal Jayhawker?

And Titans lead. Wow.

Great throw by Mariota after a trash throw the play before.

I hadn’t heard him in a while so I forgot how grating Gruden’s announcing is.

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