NFL 2017 Week 17 Thread

Mike Vrabel will interview for the Lions head coach spot.

Quite an ascent he's made through the coaching ranks.

Marvin Lewis signs a two-year extension with the Bengals. Because of course he does.

Not sure what is more shocking; Lewis gets to continue a streak of mediocrity, or Hue Jackson continues riding herd on the winless Browns.

Carson Palmer is retiring. Well that doesn't help the Cardinals job any.

Marvin Lewis, that whole thing is weird. First he's not getting an offer, going to look at front office jobs elsewhere, then he's maybe going to stay in Cincy in a front office job, and now he's coach again. Like this just the sort of uncertainty and spitballing that's supposed to happen behind closed doors, not out for everyone to see.

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*Legion* wrote:

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That is actually kind of impressive, Mr. Kizer.

Winston being #2 on that list is why I'm pretty OK with Dirk Koetter sticking around; he's done a good job making Winston better in all sorts of ways that don't involve (A) the deep ball and (B) doing incredibly stupid things that cause turnovers. Which is not ideal, obviously, but, hopefully, they'll find some real defensive players at some point.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

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That is actually kind of impressive, Mr. Kizer.

Winston being #2 on that list is why I'm pretty OK with Dirk Koetter sticking around; he's done a good job making Winston better in all sorts of ways that don't involve (A) the deep ball and (B) doing incredibly stupid things that cause turnovers. Which is not ideal, obviously, but, hopefully, they'll find some real defensive players at some point.

Goff is a pocket passer, so that I get.

Kizer probably threw so many INTs on the run he would have to throw 20 TDs on the run to be above 0.

Trubisky and Hundley ... yeah.

Mariota really had a weird year. I was so high on Corey Davis in the draft I took him in Dynasty forgetting he was drafted by the Titans and not, say, the Saints.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Marvin Lewis signs a two-year extension with the Bengals. Because of course he does.

Not sure what is more shocking; Lewis gets to continue a streak of mediocrity, or Hue Jackson continues riding herd on the winless Browns.

I think Lewis is getting a mea culpa for this season with John Ross being injured and Eifert's career basically over.

He'll be out in 2 years.

O.J. Howard was the player I wanted for the Bucs most, but didn't think there was a chance it would happen, so Corey Davis was the guy who was my theoretical #1 want. Kind of glad how that turned out.

Mariota really did not look good this year in general.

The Titans squeaking into the playoffs and saving Mularkey's job for another year is probably not the best thing for Mariota in the long run.

*Legion* wrote:

Carson Palmer is retiring. Well that doesn't help the Cardinals job any.

Seems like a good place for Kaepernick.

*Legion* wrote:

The Titans squeaking into the playoffs and saving Mularkey's job for another year is probably not the best thing for Mariota in the long run.

Yeah, sucks. Mariota deserves better.

LeapingGnome wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

Carson Palmer is retiring. Well that doesn't help the Cardinals job any.

Seems like a good place for Kaepernick.

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The McVay Effect:

This might be interesting only to me, but Marcus Mariota had a down year and I'm curious why. His numbers across the board are almost entirely down from his rookie season with a notable exception being sack percentage.

The one outlier, however, is ESPN's QBR:

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By their metric he performed better than his rookie year, which leads me to believe part of this downturn was his receivers doing stupid things.

PFF has him as 13th overall. I can't see more than that at PFF though.

I also don't have access to FO's advance stats, so for now I'm going with "maybe his season wasn't as bad as it seemed?"

Is this the year TO gets into the HoF? Or will they jerk him around for yet another year. Just a reminder he is currently 8th in Receptions, 2nd in Yards, and 3rd in TD's for his career. There's Jerry Rice and then a good step below is TO and Randy Moss who are just about neck and neck for #2.

Your 2018 HoF finalists (in ABC order): Tony Boselli, Isaac Bruce, Brian Dawkins, Alan Faneca, Steve Hutchinson, Joe Jacoby, Edgerrin James, Ty Law, Ray Lewis, John Lynch, Kevin Mawae, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Brian Urlacher and Everson Walls.

I'm thinking Moss, Lewis and Urlacher are pretty sure bets. (And then there's TO, who probably should get in but won't because reasons or something.)

The rest? Who knows? Most of those guys I remember, and I think they're all pretty good, but I'm the last guy to say who's HoF-worthy.

Enix wrote:

Your 2018 HoF finalists (in ABC order): Tony Boselli, Isaac Bruce, Brian Dawkins, Alan Faneca, Steve Hutchinson, Joe Jacoby, Edgerrin James, Ty Law, Ray Lewis, John Lynch, Kevin Mawae, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Brian Urlacher and Everson Walls.

I'm thinking Moss, Lewis and Urlacher are pretty sure bets. (And then there's TO, who probably should get in but won't because reasons or something.)

The rest? Who knows? Most of those guys I remember, and I think they're all pretty good, but I'm the last guy to say who's HoF-worthy.

Moss and Lewis should be no-brainer first major guys. Then again, I'd have put T.O. in first ballot as well.

It seems early to put in John Lynch. I mean yes he did just make the Trade of the Century, but maybe wait until after the Niners win all those championships?

....huh? He used to play?

My HOF ballot would be: Ray Ray, TO, Moss, Urlacher... and honestly, I think Boselli. No one else on that list was remotely as dominant as Boselli was, except for the four I put on the list ahead of him.

*Legion* wrote:

My HOF ballot would be: Ray Ray, TO, Moss, Urlacher... and honestly, I think Boselli. No one else on that list was remotely as dominant as Boselli was, except for the four I put on the list ahead of him.

You just want a Jaguar in the HOF!

TD went in last year, Boselli should be in too.

*Legion* wrote:

My HOF ballot would be: Ray Ray, TO, Moss, Urlacher... and honestly, I think Boselli. No one else on that list was remotely as dominant as Boselli was, except for the four I put on the list ahead of him.

I pretty much agree, but might throw Hutchinson in the mix since wasn't he by far the best in the game for a few years?

I'd put Hutchinson in before Boselli. Boselli was very good for a short amount of time. Hutchinson was not quite as good but for quite a bit longer. Might put Faneca in over both.

LeapingGnome wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

My HOF ballot would be: Ray Ray, TO, Moss, Urlacher... and honestly, I think Boselli. No one else on that list was remotely as dominant as Boselli was, except for the four I put on the list ahead of him.

I pretty much agree, but might throw Hutchinson in the mix since wasn't he by far the best in the game for a few years?

Hutchinson deserves to go in, but he wasn't Boselli dominant and he wasn't one of those guys with an absurd run of Pro Bowls either like a Randall McDaniel. He made 7 Pro Bowls vs. Boselli's 5, in a career that was twice as long.

I'd put Hutch on my ballot next year.

karmajay wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

My HOF ballot would be: Ray Ray, TO, Moss, Urlacher... and honestly, I think Boselli. No one else on that list was remotely as dominant as Boselli was, except for the four I put on the list ahead of him.

You just want a Jaguar in the HOF!

Jimmy Smith > Art Monk.

Fred Taylor > Jerome Bettis.

*Legion* wrote:
karmajay wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

My HOF ballot would be: Ray Ray, TO, Moss, Urlacher... and honestly, I think Boselli. No one else on that list was remotely as dominant as Boselli was, except for the four I put on the list ahead of him.

You just want a Jaguar in the HOF!

Jimmy Smith > Art Monk.

Fred Taylor > Jerome Bettis.

I hate agreeing with you.

I'm assuming your second set of ratings is based on football careers, and the first is aggregate number of cocaine-related criminal convictions.

Cornerbacks don't make the HOF these days so it's probably a pipe dream but Ty Law was great and clutch. Very few players have 50 plus interceptions since the rules and style of the game leaned so far towards the offense.

Ray Lewis and Moss are probably the only locks on this list though it's interesting how much heat Moss, and TO for that matter, takes for "character flaws". Lewis some how skates by despite directly or indirectly, depending on who you believe, being involved in the murder of two people.

TO and Moss were a part of the Diva Era, so that's why they get that label.

Ray Lewis, flaws and all, was never a diva.

garion333 wrote:

TO and Moss were a part of the Diva Era, so that's why they get that label.

Ray Lewis, flaws and all, was never a diva.

Lewis is just remembered for having a killer defense.

Also, the Ravens were good at stopping offenses.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
garion333 wrote:

TO and Moss were a part of the Diva Era, so that's why they get that label.

Ray Lewis, flaws and all, was never a diva.

Lewis is just remembered for having a killer defense.

Out.

My HOF ballot:
Ray Lewis
Randy Moss
Terrell Owens
Brian Dawkins
Steve Hutchinson

Ray Lewis and Randy Moss are two of the all-time greats at premium positions, and they should be the very definition of no-brainer first-ballot players. I don't care if Randy Moss gave up in Oakland. Oakland had given up on Oakland at that point, and anyone who actually tried hard for that team probably belonged in a concussion protocol of some sort. T.O. should have already been in. Brian Dawkins is a great safety, and Htuchinson steamrolled defenders for loads of 1000+ yard rushers.