Disney and Fox

Here's a good summary of what's happening and why.
https://stratechery.com/2017/disney-...

Oh, and there's this little bit
http://fortune.com/2017/12/06/disney...

Disney-Fox Deal Could Reportedly Put James Murdoch in Line to Succeed Disney CEO Bob Iger

I have concerns, is what I'm saying.

Seems like a done deal.

Disney's monopoly is ready to get a huge bump.
This seems awful, really awful.

Disney and Fox...and the Hound?

On one hand: Actual good X-Men and Fantastic Four movies, maybe?

On the other hand: Probably everything else.

Are you implying Fox never made good X-Men? I'll challenge you to a duel, sir!

Past X2? Hell no they didn't! New Class & DoFP were serviceable, at best.

Also Logan doesn't count (because it is good and ruins the metric for a "bad" X-Men movie ).

Whaaaa?...
First Class is great. You're mad, mad I tell you.

slazev wrote:

Whaaaa?...
First Class is great because X3 dug a 5-foot-deep ditch and dropped the bar in it. You're mad, mad I tell you.

FTFMe.

First Class was great by comparison, but I don't think it really holds up much better than X1 or X2, honestly. DoFP was kind of just okay, and Age o' Pocka-lips was terribad. Not X3 bad, but not far off.

I don't know why, but whenever someone mentions Disney Fox I think of this:
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So Predator vs Wolverine could happen?

Maybe it's just a biased worldview from my preferences, but I'm really bummed out with this news. Sure, they are both giant media companies with good and bad practices (although Disney's bad practices have caught my attention recently) and they both make good and bad content in general.

But I can't help but compare the interesting stuff Fox Searchlight picks up and the cool shows that would show up on the F/X network versus the overwhelmingly bland material Disney and the ABC network puts out that has clearly been test marketed to death and has a reputation of sucking any artistic originality out of it.

I mean, I'm not the biggest superhero fan in the world because I've hit fatigue levels, but there's no denying that Logan and Legion did things that were astronomically more interesting than whatever the personality-free machine of Marvel Studios has ever done.

A reasonable concern, Kuddles, but honestly I doubt that'll happen any time soon. Usually these massive mergers are a means for the parent company to fill a space that they otherwise aren't occupying/competing. Rather than go through the capital & growing pains of trying to forge their own path against established competition, they're more likely to be prudent and buy up one of the smaller "big players" in that market, instantly gaining their market share and successful business model.

This same basic thing happened with my old company, where we were #2 or #3 in the casino slot business and fairly recently had gone public. Then a massive worldwide lottery company decided rather than start their own slots from scratch, they should just buy us up along with all of our successes and patents and everything. That said, the massively cold corporate apparatus killed whatever culture was left in our company, and people have been leaving in droves, and upper management are so far removed from how things work that they can't see the forest for the trees-- and that's what I'm afraid will eventually happen with Fox-- their smaller more innovative efforts could easily be stifled by Disney's overbearing methods, driving a lot of the talent out to other avenues.

The difference here, though, is that I believe Disney bought up Fox for their successes in those spaces they weren't already in (or weren't successful in themselves), and for a while, at least, aren't going to want to massively change anything that'll remove what makes some of Fox's properties successful. With my old job, it basically amounted to the original board members that bought us up wanted us to keep doing our thing for their profit rather than our own, but new management stepped in and thought they knew how to do everything themselves and changed sh*t up for the worst. Again, that *could* happen with Disney/Fox, but I doubt it will for a very long time.

Does Fox include Firefly?!?! Never give up hope...

Grenn wrote:

So Predator vs Wolverine could happen?

Predator vs Oz?

I'm surprised that a.) this didn't get noticed during the merger talks and b.) I only remembered it not five minutes ago standing outside:

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kuddles wrote:

Maybe it's just a biased worldview from my preferences, but I'm really bummed out with this news. Sure, they are both giant media companies with good and bad practices (although Disney's bad practices have caught my attention recently) and they both make good and bad content in general.

I am likewise bummed because, moving down through levels of triviality--the prospect of X-Men in Marvel films excites me not at all, as the X-Men basically have their own universe I feel they should stick to, Disney, already practically a monopoly becomes even more of one, and at least trivial, the prospect of Fox with a couple billion to invest in news programming is a pretty grave concern.

SpacePPoliceman wrote:
kuddles wrote:

Maybe it's just a biased worldview from my preferences, but I'm really bummed out with this news. Sure, they are both giant media companies with good and bad practices (although Disney's bad practices have caught my attention recently) and they both make good and bad content in general.

I am likewise bummed because, moving down through levels of triviality--the prospect of X-Men in Marvel films excites me not at all, as the X-Men basically have their own universe I feel they should stick to, Disney, already practically a monopoly becomes even more of one, and at least trivial, the prospect of Fox with a couple billion to invest in news programming is a pretty grave concern.

The MCU is already getting crowded enough, bring in the X-men and the next Avengers movie will have 170 main characters with 50 intersecting plotlines. They’ll be handing out spreadsheets at the box office.

The comics stuff is really just a small part of the problem.

WipEout wrote:
slazev wrote:

Whaaaa?...
First Class is great because X3 dug a 5-foot-deep ditch and dropped the bar in it. You're mad, mad I tell you.

FTFMe.

First Class was great by comparison, but I don't think it really holds up much better than X1 or X2, honestly. DoFP was kind of just okay, and Age o' Pocka-lips was terribad. Not X3 bad, but not far off.

You're even crazier than I thought.
Age of Apocalypse is definitely not great, though.

So now Disney just needs to start/buy/expand their own ISP, and they are completely and fully vertically integrated to cut out anybody and everybody from their content. I'm counting down the days until the announcement.

I'm waiting for them to offer a Disney Citizenship Package, giving unprecedented access to all Disney-owned theme parks, resorts, and time-shares along with benefits such as line skipping, exclusive pre-release movie viewings, and premium tier streaming services. With the long-term or lifetime subscriptions you can also get both body- and identity-protection services for you and your family. Because Disney Cares.