NFL 2017 Week 13 Thread

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Effin' Saints. Carolina played dumb today. They'll have to play a lot smarter if they want to hold onto a wild card spot.

So by extension, Certis also is a dead ringer for Prince Harry?

Dammit Danimal if Eagles lose this game I'm gonna kick your ass.

Spoiler:

I can't kick anyone's ass and I'm sure if I were to make an effort I'd just end up kicking my own.

ccesarano wrote:

Dammit Danimal if Eagles lose this game I'm gonna kick your ass.

Spoiler:

I can't kick anyone's ass and I'm sure if I were to make an effort I'd just end up kicking my own.

I had rotator cuff surgery 17 days ago and still lack the physical strength in my right arm to button a pair of pants. I think you got this one.

You have too much faith in me.

Anywho, in all seriousness, I think that was a necessary loss for several reasons. Firstly, for too many weeks fans and pundits in the Philly area have been talking Super Bowl odds and quite frankly it's been making me nervous. The fanbase needed a loss to remind us we're still Philadelphia and the team is not invincible. Second, it pitted Wentz against a real mother f*cker of a quarterback in Russell Wilson, and I actually mean that in a good way. Some of the sh*t he pulled was beautiful even though I wanted to hate him for it. Third, I think this game pointed out a bunch of holes in Eagles defense that we needed to discover before the championships.

So now it sounds like everyone's already doom and gloom because Eagles are tied with Minnesota with the Vikings on top of the leaderboards, and I'm already seeing folks used to having the star teams being snarky on both Philly and Minnesota because I guess they hate fans that are actually loyal to their teams even when they're low rather than being fair weather or whatnot.

There's a couple plays I think screwed them, but none so bad as the Wentz fumble. That one was brutal.

Still, this was the game I was afraid they'd lose, and maybe I was enough to jinx 'em or it was everyone else's certainty that they'd win that did it, or maybe superstition is dumb and it's as simple as Seahawks were the better team, but Eagles lost. It was a good game and even though we lost by two touchdowns, I can't say I ever felt like the team was robbed.

Go Hawks.

That was pretty sick.

Sorry, Legion.

Holy sh*t, that was excellent.

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In the least surprising move of the century:

Giants fire HC Ben McAdoo and GM Jerry Reese

in other news, do yall remember when Bill Barnwell would write interesting articles with deep insight? I miss those days.

Now he's relegated to splurting out info as fast as possible and using as many of ESPN's numbers as possible. While not atroscious, there's something missing from most of his writing.

Bill @ESPN wrote:

One stat we can use is win probability added, which measures each team's performance against a win expectancy framework on a play-by-play basis. By WPA, the Patriots were the league's worst defense from Weeks 1 to 4, costing New England a staggering 2.48 wins with its performance. The Giants were second to last and their defense was more than a half-win better. Brady and the offense were worth a league-best 2.61 wins over that time frame, so it might not surprise you to remember that the Pats started 2-2.

Since then, the Patriots haven't exactly been the best defense in the league, but they have genuinely turned into a playoff-caliber unit. It has ranked eighth in the NFL since Week 5, having cost New England a mere 0.36 wins over its past eight games. Throw in the league's third-best offense and its best special teams over that time frame, and it's no surprise the Patriots are on an eight-game winning streak.

(From here.)

There's nothing wrong with talking about WPA, but is anyone gonna talk about how the Pats D has only cost them a "mere 0.36 wins over the past eight games"? No, because that's not terribly interesting.

His writing has fallen off for me. I can get past the QBR and FPI, but not if the insights are copy/paste jobs from his prior decade of writing.

Usually a return like that gets called back due to holding!

garion333 wrote:

In the least surprising move of the century:

Giants fire HC Ben McAdoo and GM Jerry Reese

So great for Giants fans they did this the day after McAdoo benched Eli, basically sticking around just long enough to screw up his consecutive games streak and piss everybody off.

garion333 wrote:

That was pretty sick.

Sorry, Legion.

Hey, that's about the only thing the Bears managed to do to the 49ers all game. Well that and red zone defense, as the Niners had to settle for field goals 5 friggin times. But overall the game was far more lopsided than the score. 388 yards of offense versus 147.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
garion333 wrote:

In the least surprising move of the century:

Giants fire HC Ben McAdoo and GM Jerry Reese

So great for Giants fans they did this the day after McAdoo benched Eli, basically sticking around just long enough to screw up his consecutive games streak and piss everybody off.

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When it came down to it, though, ownership signed off on the decision. Some Giants fans think ownership was where the idea came from, that lame duck McAdoo was the convenient fall guy to take the heat.

It will be interesting to see what becomes of the Giants QB situation the rest of the season. If you see Davis Webb under center at some point, then those suspicious Giants fans just might have been right.

For the time being, though, Ian Rapoport says to expect Eli back in the starting lineup this week.

As a Giants fan, I am very happy with the moves. Big question on whether to start Eli again or see what you have for future prospects i.e. Webb not Gino, before dumping money and a high pick on a rookie.

As a life-long resident of Minnesota, I would like to remind people that we’re more than capable of losing every game we have left this season.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

It's official: Gronk's out.

Even as a Pats fan, I have to say "Good!". That hit was stupid and dangerous. If he really felt as bad about the hit as he claims, he wouldn't even bother trying to fight the one game suspension. Maybe, if the suspension is overturned, he will donate that game check to either his victim or to concussion studies, but I doubt it.

Reaper81 wrote:

As a life-long resident of Minnesota, I would like to remind people that we’re more than capable of losing every game we have left this season.

Minnesota is perhaps the most interesting team in the league to me. The QB situation is going to be fascinating. Pat Shurmur has clearly figured something out with his offense, making both a freshly traded Sam Bradford and a scrap heap Case Keenum so successful.

I can't wait to see how they resolve that situation long-term. It feels like they're a little handcuffed by success, because how do you not keep running with Case Keenum, but at the same time, it's hard not to think that it could just be a one-season wonder deal.

Also, just another "they fire all their good coaches" reminder that Cleveland had Pat Shurmur, and the 3385 yards he managed to get a rookie Brandon Weeden to throw to is the highest passing yards total of any Browns QB in the past decade (and second most for the new Browns total history, behind only Derek Anderson's 3787 in 2007).

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Niners receivers just discovering what Patriots receivers have known for a while:

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Jimmy looks like a dead ringer for someone who could be cast as Superman.

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Fun trivia fact: during Manning's streak, Cleveland had 24 quarterbacks.

Nooo Shazier

Dirty Red is great, but as MLB?

Schefter tweeted that the Giants are going back to Eli.

garion333 wrote:

In the least surprising move of the century:

Giants fire HC Ben McAdoo and GM Jerry Reese

*Legion* wrote:

Schefter tweeted that the Giants are going back to Eli.