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sometimesdee wrote:But back to Santos. Any reason why deportation/extradition isn't an option?
He was born in Queens, NY.
Was he really? I keep reading conflicting accounts. And he did commit crimes in Brazil.
peanut3141 wrote:sometimesdee wrote:But back to Santos. Any reason why deportation/extradition isn't an option?
He was born in Queens, NY.
Was he really? I keep reading conflicting accounts. And he did commit crimes in Brazil.
Two things.
1: Extradition protocol is governed by extradition treaties between the countries involved. Let's say Mexico wants to extradite a US citizen accused of a crime in Mexico. Can they? Well go look at the extradition treaty. In the case of Brazil, one exists:
An extradition treaty between the United States and Brazil was signed on January 13, 1961 and implemented on February 11, 1965. The treaty allows both countries to request the return of individuals if the offense(s) committed are considered crimes by both countries.
2: Doesn't matter where he was born, he's a US citizen (as evidence by his "service" in Congress - no citizenship, no Congressional job). Stop it with this birtherism BS.
2: Doesn't matter where he was born, he's a US citizen (as evidence by his "service" in Congress - no citizenship, no Congressional job). Stop it with this birtherism BS.
I don't condone the whole birtherism thing. Don't care where he was born, whatever. Complete non-issue for me.
But to be fair, considering everything else he lied about to get the job, I wouldn't call someone too much of a loony conspiracy theorist if they start wondering if maybe he somehow managed to lie about that, too.
peanut3141 wrote:sometimesdee wrote:But back to Santos. Any reason why deportation/extradition isn't an option?
He was born in Queens, NY.
Omg someone besides me has seen Johnny Farging Dangerously. Yay!
2: Doesn't matter where he was born, he's a US citizen (as evidence by his "service" in Congress - no citizenship, no Congressional job). Stop it with this birtherism BS.
Is it birtherism when he has previously claimed he was born in Brazil? (dual citizenship is a thing) Can you really blame a reasonable person for not being able to keep straight the claims of a serial liar?
And I didn't realize he had made a plea deal over the Brazilian charges, making my point about extradition moot.
Paleocon wrote:peanut3141 wrote:sometimesdee wrote:But back to Santos. Any reason why deportation/extradition isn't an option?
He was born in Queens, NY.
Omg someone besides me has seen Johnny Farging Dangerously. Yay!
My mother showed me Johnny Dangerously once.. Once.
Jonman wrote:2: Doesn't matter where he was born, he's a US citizen (as evidence by his "service" in Congress - no citizenship, no Congressional job). Stop it with this birtherism BS.
Is it birtherism when he has previously claimed he was born in Brazil? (dual citizenship is a thing) Can you really blame a reasonable person for not being able to keep straight the claims of a serial liar?
And I didn't realize he had made a plea deal over the Brazilian charges, making my point about extradition moot.
Doesn't matter where he was born for extradition purposes - the fact that he's a US citizen is the salient datum. So speculating about his birthplace was entirely irrelevant to the question at hand.
Paleocon wrote:peanut3141 wrote:sometimesdee wrote:But back to Santos. Any reason why deportation/extradition isn't an option?
He was born in Queens, NY.
Omg someone besides me has seen Johnny Farging Dangerously. Yay!
You farging iceholes.
sometimesdee wrote:Jonman wrote:2: Doesn't matter where he was born, he's a US citizen (as evidence by his "service" in Congress - no citizenship, no Congressional job). Stop it with this birtherism BS.
Is it birtherism when he has previously claimed he was born in Brazil? (dual citizenship is a thing) Can you really blame a reasonable person for not being able to keep straight the claims of a serial liar?
And I didn't realize he had made a plea deal over the Brazilian charges, making my point about extradition moot.
Doesn't matter where he was born for extradition purposes - the fact that he's a US citizen is the salient datum. So speculating about his birthplace was entirely irrelevant to the question at hand.
Were you not aware of Trump's orgy of denaturalization? Irrelevant if he's a birthright citizen, but I made the same assumptions as Dee.
Were you not aware of Trump's orgy of denaturalization?
I was not. As a naturalized citizen myself, what do I need to know to avoid it? Assuming that being white isn't already a get out of jail free?
H.P. Lovesauce wrote:Were you not aware of Trump's orgy of denaturalization?
I was not. As a naturalized citizen myself, what do I need to know to avoid it? Assuming that being white isn't already a get out of jail free?
Marry a rich white dude.
H.P. Lovesauce wrote:Were you not aware of Trump's orgy of denaturalization?
I was not. As a naturalized citizen myself, what do I need to know to avoid it? Assuming that being white isn't already a get out of jail free?
Continuing to be white is safest. They were primarily going after people who had criminal records and other big fibs during their immigration process, but oddly enough they didn't target many people from Commonwealth countries.
H.P. Lovesauce wrote:Were you not aware of Trump's orgy of denaturalization?
I was not. As a naturalized citizen myself, what do I need to know to avoid it? Assuming that being white isn't already a get out of jail free?
H.P. Lovesauce wrote:Were you not aware of Trump's orgy of denaturalization?
I was not. As a naturalized citizen myself, what do I need to know to avoid it? Assuming that being white isn't already a get out of jail free?
The UK isn't considered a "shithole country," so you should be okay. And yes, I was initially referring to denaturalization, but as you said before, it's irrelevant if he was born here (unless it's an extreme Shamima Begum-type situation)
Canada's NDP pulls support for Trudeau's Liberals
Canada’s left-wing New Democratic Party (NDP) has pulled the plug on a two-and-a-half-year-old agreement with Justin Trudeau's Liberals that had helped keep his minority government in power.
In a video posted to social media on Wednesday, NDP leader Jagmeet Singh said he had informed the prime minister of his decision, saying the Liberals were "too weak, too selfish" to fight for Canadians.
The deal - called a "supply and confidence" agreement - had the NDP supporting the Liberals in confidence votes.
The announcement does not automatically mean a federal election is imminent but that Canadians may go to the polls before the election scheduled for October 2025.
In a statement released on Wednesday, Mr Singh said a non-confidence vote would be "on the table" with every confidence measure.
Losing a confidence vote in parliament can trigger a general election.
"The NDP is ready for an election," Mr Singh said.
Mr Trudeau and Mr Singh reached the agreement in March 2022, with the Liberals pledging to support the NDP on several of the party's key priorities in parliament.
The deal differed to a coalition, where parties share power.
Instead, the Liberals - who failed to win a majority in the past two elections - governed as a minority, but with assurances the NDP would support them in confidence votes.
In exchange, Mr Singh's party secured progress on key priorities, including dental benefits for lower-income families and a national pharmacare programme covering birth control and insulin.
It was the first such formal agreement between two parties at the federal level.
Until this spring, Mr Singh and senior members of his party remained publicly committed to the deal.
But NDP's leadership reportedly began to re-evaluate the agreement last month, after Mr Trudeau's cabinet directed its industrial relations board to impose binding arbitration after Canada's two largest railways began a work stoppage.
Announcing he was tearing up the deal, Mr Singh said the Liberals had "let people down" and didn't "deserve another chance from Canadians".
Mr Trudeau, speaking at an event in Newfoundland, told reporters he was confident he could make parliament work and will focus on "delivering for Canadians".
"I'll let others focus on politics," he said, adding he hoped the next election will not happen "until next fall" so that his government has time to move forward on its agenda.
In recent years, Canadian voters have shown increasing frustration with issues like rising inflation and a housing affordability crisis.
That has been reflected in the polls, where the Liberals have been down for months, with national opinion surveys suggesting the party is lagging about 18 points behind the opposition Conservatives.
On Wednesday, Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre criticised Mr Singh for not committing to a non-confidence vote, dismissing the announcement as a "stunt".
Last week, he penned an open letter urging Mr Singh to abandon his agreement with the Liberals.
"No one voted for you to keep Trudeau in power. You do not have a mandate to drag out his government another year," Mr Poilievre wrote.
Mr Trudeau has been in power since 2015, with the Liberals winning re-election - albeit with a minority - in 2019 and 2021.
DOJ alleges Russia funded US media company linked to right-wing social media stars (CNN)
The indictment unsealed in New York’s Southern District accused two employees of RT, the Kremlin’s media arm, of funneling nearly $10 million to an unidentified company, described only as “Company 1” in court documents.CNN has independently confirmed that “Company 1” is Tenet Media, which is a platform for independent content creators. It is self-described as a “network of heterodox commentators that focus on Western political and cultural issues,” according to its website, which matches language contained in the newly unsealed indictment.
The goal of the operation, according to prosecutors, was to fuel pro-Russian narratives, in part, by pushing content and news articles favoring Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump and others who the Kremlin deemed to be friendlier to its interests.
One of the right wing figures employed by Tenet Media? None other than everyone’s favorite far-right conservative “centrist,” Tim Pool.
Tim released a statement saying that despite being paid by russian propagandists he still maintained full editorial control of his content. He doesn’t seem to understand that the nature of his content is WHY russia sought him out and started throwing money at him.
This is a global phenomenon right now. Young men are trending right, while young women are overwhelmingly trending left.
DOJ alleges Russia funded US media company linked to right-wing social media stars (CNN)
Wait until the DOJ finds out who else in American politics that Russia is funding.
RUSSIA, GIVE ME MONEY.
"Young men feel abandoned by the Democratic party"
I wonder what the source of this feeling of abandonment is. The incessant drumbeat of "you aren't getting what you deserve" coming from right leaning misanthropes wouldn't have anything to do with it, n'est-ce pas?
I saw someone mention this online, and it rang true to me:
These new, modern masculinity influencers are basically putting on a performance of masculinity to an extent that is essentially the same as drag. And the primary audience for that drag show is other straight men. It's a performance of Gender that wouldn't be out of place on RuPaul's Drag Race.
EDIT: Like, look at this. Trixie and Katya would call this "over the top."
On a somewhat related note to the observation about masculinity influencers, Elon recently reposted a theory from 4chan that only high T alpha males and autistics can objectively evaluate new information, so “a Republic of high status males is best for decision making.”
Yeah, saw that. Elmo fanatics will believe anything I guess.
The defence from the Tenet shills is so lame.
I was doing what I wanted to do and the money didn't influence me.
So you were doing what they wanted for free?
Oh I'm sure Andrew Tate has lovely things to say about autistic people too.
Oh I'm sure Andrew Tate has lovely things to say about autistic people too.
Is he allowed cellphones in prison?
"Young men feel abandoned by the Democratic party"
With Governor Coach Sergeant Major White Guy Tim Walz on the ticket, the whole "There's no place for white men in the Democratic Party" line doesn't hold up anymore.
"Young men feel abandoned by the Democratic party"With Governor Coach Sergeant Major White Guy Tim Walz on the ticket, the whole "There's no place for white men in the Democratic Party" line doesn't hold up anymore.
Any white guy who says they feel unwelcome are using their white-maleness as a cover for the real reason they don't feel welcome in the party. It's not their whiteness or maleness, it's the racist or sexist baggage they have tied up in those parts of their identity.
It just sucks that anyone who wants to complain about dumbass culture war shit gets paid a million dollars by Russia and anyone who wants to investigate corruption in a Sheriff’s Department has to be like “hey can you PLEASE send me five dollars for my newsletter I’m begging you”
It’s almost like the rightwing influencers who constantly say “you’re being brainwashed into being an NPC by the media” are making people into NPCs who can only view politics through a superficial cultural lens leaving rich people to plunder their futures or something
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