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Oh great. My heart surgery has been moved to VA. With my luck I’ll get the surgery and then funding will run out while I’m in the ICU.
House Ethics Committee completes probe, will not recommend punishment for Rep. George Santos
F**kin' LOL.
Considering that a bunch of Dems voted to keep him from getting punted already, I'm taking this as tacit acknowledgment from our lawmakers that they don't want Santos' horsesh*t to "set a precedent," because then they'd all be out of jobs too.
They also don’t seem to be recommending not taking action. The head of the committee seemed to imply that procedurally doing so would have taken too long, and that it can be done quicker this way. I can’t tell if there is any truth to that or if it’s nonsense to try to have a defense for when Santos is found guilty in court.
His term is half over and the procedures have only gotten this far. The House as an institution just isn't equipped to deal with this sort of thing.
I mean, it also isn't equipped to deal with the existence of political parties...
Are the voters and local Republican officials from his district still publicly calling for his removal? I guess it'll be up to them next year...
Can’t they put another motion to expel him up for a vote?
Can’t they put another motion to expel him up for a vote?
I'm sure they can, but now that almost any pretense to not boot him is gone, the party in charge of deciding that will not do it because they don't want to risk their essentially four-seat majority.
Santos won't seek re-election. He's set for life with government healthcare, though.
I sense someone made a backroom deal.
Nevermind, he's my favorite politician now.
The Observer has identified 20 PACs formed since late 2020 that, through early September, have collectively spent more than $1.5 million to support the campaigns of 105 conservative school board candidates in 35 districts.
Conservative idealogues trying to covertly take over Texas schools. Presumably for indoctrination.
And for book banning. Don't forget the books.
They've been doing stuff to take over school boards ever since they decided on a "bottom up" political strategy. It got them state houses starting in the 90's; now they want to get counties onto the anti-Federal bandwagon, and school boards are easy to take over.
Yup. Local elections as well, you're lucky to get 20% turnout in off-year elections (NYC just got a whopping 18%) so you run some absolute loon for a position that actually can have a LOT of impact at the local level, and boop, now the local Sheriff is a J6er.
Fortunately, the low turnout on off-year elections works both ways. Only passionate voters show up, so you just have to rouse your base. It worked for my district on a property tax increase for our schools last year.
But this new influx of outside money is concerning. It will push out regular residents who want to serve but can't afford a $10,000 campaign.
Speaking of violence, Oklahoma Senator Markwayne Mullin stands by almost starting a fistfight on the Senate floor with Teamsters Leader Sean O’Brien. Seems he’s not alone in wanting to bring back duels and canings to American politics.
Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce you to the actual American electorate.
Unsurprising and yet so depressing.
Giant Meteor 2024!
Climate change in Texas science textbooks causes divisions on state’s education board
But some Republicans on the 15-member board this week waved off current textbook options as too negative toward fossil fuels and for failing to include alternatives to evolution. One of Texas’ regulators of the oil and gas industry, Republican Wayne Christian, has urged the board to “choose books that promote the importance of fossil fuels for energy promotion.”
Aaron Kinsey, a Republican board member and executive of an oil field services company in West Texas, criticized photos in some textbooks as negatively portraying the oil and gas industry during a discussion of the materials this week.
“The selection of certain images can make things appear worse than they are, and I believe there was bias,” Kinsey said, according to Hearst Newspapers.
It should be illegal for these people to hold this position.
The Great Disconnect: Why Voters Feel One Way About the Economy but Act Differently
(NYT Paywall)
By traditional measures, the economy is strong. Inflation has slowed significantly. Wages are increasing. Unemployment is near a half-century low. Job satisfaction is up.
Yet Americans don’t necessarily see it that way. In the recent New York Times/Siena College poll of voters in six swing states, eight in 10 said the economy was fair or poor. Just 2 percent said it was excellent. Majorities of every group of Americans — across gender, race, age, education, geography, income and party — had an unfavorable view.
To make the disconnect even more confusing, people are not acting the way they do when they believe the economy is bad. They are spending, vacationing and job-switching the way they do when they believe it’s good.
“People say, ‘Economists don’t know why we’re unhappy? Just look at the prices!’” said Betsey Stevenson, an economist at the University of Michigan who worked in the Obama administration. “We’re looking at the prices, and we’re wondering, why are you buying so much stuff?”
“People have faced higher prices and that is difficult, but that doesn’t explain why people have not cut back,” she said of a phenomenon known as revealed preference. “They have spent as if they see nothing but good times in front of them. So why are their actions so out of whack with their words?”
The question has led to a variety of recent attempts to explain the disconnect, which could be pivotal in the 2024 election. In the poll, 59 percent of voters said Donald J. Trump would do a better job on the economy, compared with 37 percent of those who said Mr. Biden would.
We called back voters who said the economy was “poor” or “only fair” to find out why they felt that way, when the metrics, and often their personal finances, tell a different story.
Many said their own finances were good enough — they had jobs, owned houses, made ends meet. But they felt as if they were “just getting by,” with “nothing left over.” Many felt angry and anxious over prices and the pandemic and politics.
Those feelings may be driving attitudes about the economy, economists speculated, sounding more like their colleagues from another branch of social science, psychology.
“The pandemic shattered a lot of illusions of control,” Professor Stevenson said. “I wonder how much that has made us more aware of all the places we don’t have control, over prices, over the housing market.”
Inflation weighed heavily on voters — nearly all of them mentioned frustration at the price of something they buy regularly.
“Gas prices are obscene,” said Leslie Linn, 47, a restaurant manager in Carson City, Nev. “I’m looking at mayonnaise for $7. It’s like, how is that even a thing? So yeah, the economy is not great.”
Dillon Nettles, 23, in Claxton, Ga., had just stopped at Chick-fil-A when he answered our call. “What used to cost you seven bucks for a sandwich and a large fry and sweet tea, now it’s $14,” he said.
Consumer prices were up 3.2 percent in October from the year before, a decline in the year-over-year inflation rate from more than 8 percent in mid-2022. But inflation “casts a long shadow on how people evaluate things,” said Lawrence Katz, an economist at Harvard. Some people may expect prices to return to what they were before — something that rarely happens (and deflation can often signal economic catastrophe).
Also, economists said, wages have increased alongside prices. Real median earnings for full-time workers are slightly higher than at the end of 2019, and for many low earners, their raises have outpaced inflation. But it’s common for people to think about prices at face value, rather than relative to their income, a habit economists call money illusion.
“Everyone thinks a wage increase is something they deserve, and a price increase is imposed by the economy on them,” Professor Katz said.
Younger people — who were a key to President Biden’s win in 2020 but showed less support for him in the new poll — had concerns specific to their phase of life. In the poll, 93 percent of them rated the economy unfavorably, more than any other age group.
Certain campaign promises aimed at them, like forgiveness of student loan debt and subsidies for child care, were struck down by the Supreme Court or didn’t pass in Congress. There’s a sense that it’s become harder to achieve the things their parents did, like buying a home. Houses are less affordable than at the height of the 2006 bubble, and less than half of Americans can afford one.
Jaeden Grimes, 21, in Avondale, Ariz., has been trying to jump-start his life since he graduated from college, working a temporary gig while he looks for a better job and his own place to live. “More than likely, half my income will go toward rent,” he said. “I was really hoping on that student loan forgiveness.”
Voters who had already achieved certain markers of economic success, like advancing in their career or owning a home, also described feeling stuck, with little money left over to splurge or make a life change. Yet overall, economists said, data shows that more people are quitting jobs to start better ones, moving to more desirable places because they can work remotely, and starting new businesses.
“Even though you hear all this stuff — we added 100,000 new jobs — it literally means nothing to me,” said Stephen Blanck, 39, who recently moved from Wisconsin to Fayetteville, N.C. “It’s all fake when it comes to how people are actually doing.”
He said he makes almost $80,000, serving in the military and working as a DoorDash deliverer, yet feels he had more spending money a decade ago, when he was two pay grades lower.
“I’m not buying fancier cars, I got a really good interest rate on my house, we have kids but they don’t cost that much,” he said. “But we really got to budget. There’s just nothing left over to invest in the future.”
Ms. Linn, the Nevada restaurant manager, is up for promotion and owns her home, with a decent mortgage rate. Yet there’s a job opening of interest in San Diego, and she’s unhappy that she can’t afford the higher living costs there, or to buy a new house with the higher interest rates.
People always have economic constraints like those Ms. Linn described, Professor Stevenson noted. In a slow job market, for example, it’s hard to change jobs — now it’s easier, but housing is more expensive.
Still, the uncertainty Mr. Blanck and Ms. Linn share about the future ran through many voters’ stories, darkening their economic outlook.
“The degree of volatility that we’ve experienced from different events — from the pandemic, from inflation — leaves them not confident that even if objectively good things are going on, it’s going to persist,” Professor Katz said.
In response to the pandemic, the United States built an extensive welfare state, and it has since been dismantled. While wealth has increased for families across the income spectrum, data shows, and there are indications that inequality could be shrinking, the changes have been small relative to decades of growing inequality, leading to a sense for some that the system is rigged.
ImageManuel Zimberoff, 26, an engineer in Philadelphia, said even though economic indicators are pointing up, the benefits accrue to the rich.
“When things are going well, that means rich people are getting richer and all of us are pretty much second,” said Manuel Zimberoff, 26, a manufacturing engineer in Philadelphia. “And if things are going poorly, rich people are still getting richer, and all of us are screwed.”
He says Mr. Biden’s pro-union stance and investments in clean energy and infrastructure have benefited the economy. He’ll vote for him, though his ideal candidate would be a socialist: “Bernie Sanders, but 40 years younger and gay.”
Rickie Glenn, a 35-year-old police sergeant in Commerce, Ga., probably won’t vote unless Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is on the ballot. He bought a house during the pandemic, but doesn’t really care that its value is going up — what he feels are his rising property taxes. “I feel like families, it’s a lower class,” he said. “Families are just getting by.”
Economic difficulties are greater for those without a college degree, who are the majority of Americans. They earn less, receive fewer benefits from employers and have more physically demanding jobs.
Suzanne Haberkorn, 41, a bank teller in Waukesha, Wis., fears she won’t be able to get ahead with a high school education and health issues that make it hard to work. She left her job at Walmart because it was too physical, but her current job is mentally taxing. She has been denied disability because she works, she said: “They’re pretty much like, you need to be homeless and jobless and broke to get help.”
For roughly two decades, partisanship has increasingly been correlated with views about the economy: Research has shown that people rate the economy more poorly when their party is not in power. Nearly every Republican in the poll rated the economy unfavorably, and 59 percent of Democrats did.
Steven Cabrera, 35, who works for the military in Phoenix, was among the 57 percent of voters who said economic issues were a bigger priority than societal ones. But when asked about them, he was more interested in talking about other things: the visibility of transgender people, Representative Alexandria Ocasio Cortez of New York and, most of all, war.
He brought up U.S. funding in Ukraine and the Middle East. He wanted to know: Is that the reason our economy is “slowing down?” He wasn’t sure, but he thought it might be. He plans to vote for “the Republican, any Republican,” he said. “Democrats have disappointed me.”
Gee, I wonder why more people perceive that the economy isn't improving. It couldn't have anything to do with outlets like the NYT constantly banging the drum of how much people think the economy is in the toilet and it's all Joe Biden's fault...
There is also price gouging on gas and groceries. (and Door Dash but that is a luxury in the guise of a necessity)
Gee, I wonder why more people perceive that the economy isn't improving. It couldn't have anything to do with outlets like the NYT constantly banging the drum of how much people think the economy is in the toilet and it's all Joe Biden's fault...
How many of the people in that article, or average voters in general, do you think read the NYT? People don't perceive the economy is improving because their earning power is still going down the longer they work and the rich are still increasing prices on the most important things. It's also really hard to tell the difference between a few months ago and now, but they sure remember being able to afford more stuff or save more years ago. People don't really care about "the economy," they care about their own economic stability, and that hasn't changed much for most people, if at all.
Rickie Glenn, a 35-year-old police sergeant in Commerce, Ga., probably won’t vote unless Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is on the ballot. He bought a house during the pandemic, but doesn’t really care that its value is going up — what he feels are his rising property taxes. “I feel like families, it’s a lower class,” he said. “Families are just getting by.”
I hate that the journalist doesn't correct this misunderstanding. Property values do not correlate to tax amounts.
To me, it underlines stuff like this:
Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce you to the actual American electorate.
Most voters have politics that are likely broadly self-interested and frequently contradictory (I'm including myself here, FWIW). It's a matter of figuring out how to engage them within that absurdity.
“Even though you hear all this stuff — we added 100,000 new jobs — it literally means nothing to me,” said Stephen Blanck, 39, who recently moved from Wisconsin to Fayetteville, N.C. “It’s all fake when it comes to how people are actually doing.”He said he makes almost $80,000, serving in the military and working as a DoorDash deliverer, yet feels he had more spending money a decade ago, when he was two pay grades lower.
“I’m not buying fancier cars, I got a really good interest rate on my house, we have kids but they don’t cost that much,” he said. “But we really got to budget. There’s just nothing left over to invest in the future.
Either their kids are relatively neglected, or he doesn't actually know much about his family's expenses.
On the other hand, it always seems like the people interviewed for articles like this sound pretty clueless. It never seems that far off from late night show segments where they ask random people on the street simple questions and show us the most ridiculous answers. I can't tell how representative these results really are. It also makes me wonder what dumb things I would say if I were suddenly in such an interview without much time to think about my answers.
I have to admit that, all things considered, my wife and I are doing better than most. It helps that we don't have kids and have well paying jobs with gold plated insurance plans. It also helps that we are pretty frugal when it comes to just about everything. We don't eat out much. We both drive cars until the wheels fall off. We dress like hobos.
All that said, it is hard to shake the feeling of financial insecurity. We are in our mid 50's and the fact that our retirement is entirely dependent on the performance of a market that folks keep saying is a bubble AND we are living in a country where being old and poor is a fate worse than a quick death makes it hard to NOT feel anxiety. We ARE doing better than we were and the nation is demonstrably better than it was under Trump. That said, even we are feeling on the knife edge.
On the other hand, it always seems like the people interviewed for articles like this sound pretty clueless. It never seems that far off from late night show segments where they ask random people on the street simple questions and show us the most ridiculous answers. I can't tell how representative these results really are. It also makes me wonder what dumb things I would say if I were suddenly in such an interview without much time to think about my answers.
During college I worked at a gas station, one day as a test I decided to ask everyone that came in a simple test, “what came first the civil war, or the revolutionary war?”
Easy right?
Sadly, most people were stumped, and only one person gave the right answer with a duh, that was too easy attitude.
On an ethnocentric note, no one asked to clarify which country.
absurddoctor wrote:On the other hand, it always seems like the people interviewed for articles like this sound pretty clueless. It never seems that far off from late night show segments where they ask random people on the street simple questions and show us the most ridiculous answers. I can't tell how representative these results really are. It also makes me wonder what dumb things I would say if I were suddenly in such an interview without much time to think about my answers.
During college I worked at a gas station, one day as a test I decided to ask everyone that came in a simple test, “what came first the civil war, or the revolutionary war?”
Easy right?
Sadly, most people were stumped, and only one person gave the right answer with a duh, that was too easy attitude.
On an ethnocentric note, no one asked to clarify which country.
Duh
Even if you're doing okay currently, it's hard for most people not to be acutely aware of how easily that can change. Mostly because they've seen it happen to enough other people to know that it's just luck that it hasn't happened to them.
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