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The line between Trumpism and unregulated Capitalism is razor thin.

I knew that Foxconn thing was a disaster ever since that Reply All podcast reported on it. All those local government leaders that fell for it should be ashamed.

I don't want to say their shame is mitigated by the lining of their pockets, but...

BadKen wrote:

I don't want to say their shame is mitigated by the lining of their pockets, but...

But they don't feel shame.

I’ve read that conspiracy thinking is likely to happen in people who think everything happens for a reason, and who can’t grasp the reality that sometimes random bad things just happen randomly. They feel that there must be a bad actor behind every bad event.

I feel like this goes hand in hand with Christian philosophy. For many Christians, even something as mundane as finding a good parking spot will be attributed to Jesus. Conspiracy thinking is just the flip-side of this. Has blaming it on Satan gone out of fashion?

RawkGWJ wrote:

I’ve read that conspiracy thinking is likely to happen in people who think everything happens for a reason, and who can’t grasp the reality that sometimes random bad things just happen randomly. They feel that there must be a bad actor behind every bad event.

I feel like this goes hand in hand with Christian philosophy. For many Christians, even something as mundane as finding a good parking spot will be attributed to Jesus. Conspiracy thinking is just the flip-side of this. Has blaming it on Satan gone out of fashion?

Perhaps once demons, devils, and supernatural evil became part of mainstream media and literature, it became less likely people would point to them as causes of bad things. Not sure the catholic church would produce a graph, but I'd be fascinated to see exorcisms performed per-capita over the ages.

RawkGWJ wrote:

I’ve read that conspiracy thinking is likely to happen in people who think everything happens for a reason, and who can’t grasp the reality that sometimes random bad things just happen randomly. They feel that there must be a bad actor behind every bad event.

I feel like this goes hand in hand with Christian philosophy. For many Christians, even something as mundane as finding a good parking spot will be attributed to Jesus. Conspiracy thinking is just the flip-side of this. Has blaming it on Satan gone out of fashion?

How many is many? There's a spectrum between having a reminder to live a life of gratitude (common to Christian philosophy) and literally attributing your parking spot to the will of God (much less common). That spectrum exists in people regardless of their religion. It's their relative sense of entitlement. Religion provides one convenient source of authority to prop up any argument or sense of self.

Magical thinking is not caused by religion but merely another facet of the same root causes.

Humans are crap at dealing with the whims of RNG. We love to think that it's a coin being flipped when it's a lot closer to a spheroid with thrusters navigating the gravity wells of a field of stars with steering elements formed of ice. The closer you get the harder it becomes to navigate away again and your future course may forever be shaped by the effects of that encounter with inexorable heat and gravity.

Relevant? Probably not, but the image stuck in my head and I had to exorcise it somehow.

LouZiffer wrote:
RawkGWJ wrote:

I’ve read that conspiracy thinking is likely to happen in people who think everything happens for a reason, and who can’t grasp the reality that sometimes random bad things just happen randomly. They feel that there must be a bad actor behind every bad event.

I feel like this goes hand in hand with Christian philosophy. For many Christians, even something as mundane as finding a good parking spot will be attributed to Jesus. Conspiracy thinking is just the flip-side of this. Has blaming it on Satan gone out of fashion?

How many is many? There's a spectrum between having a reminder to live a life of gratitude (common to Christian philosophy) and literally attributing your parking spot to the will of God (much less common). That spectrum exists in people regardless of their religion. It's their relative sense of entitlement. Religion provides one convenient source of authority to prop up any argument or sense of self.

I was responding to why far right Christianity and conspiracy thinking go hand in hand. Sorry if the parking spot example bothers you. Most far right Christians think that god controls all aspects of life on earth.

The handwritten note upon which Governor Walker pledged billions of dollars of taxpayer money is so bereft of details that it might feel like satire.

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Longtime readers of the old Wisconsin threads will remember that his administration made spurious claims that protestors had caused $7.5 million in damage to the capitol, based on a handwritten estimate that had no justification either.

I’m staggered that doodle can actually mean anything.

"Me give money."

Chumpy_McChump wrote:

I’m staggered that doodle can actually mean anything.

Republicans have a long history of fiercely believing in doodles.

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And now we never have to hear about how Republicans are good at "Business" or the Economy again!

NathanialG wrote:

And now we never have to hear about how Republicans are good at "Business" or the Economy again!

[laugh_track.wav]

RawkGWJ wrote:
LouZiffer wrote:
RawkGWJ wrote:

I’ve read that conspiracy thinking is likely to happen in people who think everything happens for a reason, and who can’t grasp the reality that sometimes random bad things just happen randomly. They feel that there must be a bad actor behind every bad event.

I feel like this goes hand in hand with Christian philosophy. For many Christians, even something as mundane as finding a good parking spot will be attributed to Jesus. Conspiracy thinking is just the flip-side of this. Has blaming it on Satan gone out of fashion?

How many is many? There's a spectrum between having a reminder to live a life of gratitude (common to Christian philosophy) and literally attributing your parking spot to the will of God (much less common). That spectrum exists in people regardless of their religion. It's their relative sense of entitlement. Religion provides one convenient source of authority to prop up any argument or sense of self.

I was responding to why far right Christianity and conspiracy thinking go hand in hand. Sorry if the parking spot example bothers you. Most far right Christians think that god controls all aspects of life on earth.

I've argued with these far right Christians numerous times on this very topic, so I know that you are correct that many of them do indeed think this way, as if God is some sort of heavenly micromanager and just controls every little detail of everything as all part of his master plan.

But their argument breaks down on so many levels and it isn't even scriptural. "Everything happens for a reason" isn't even in the bible. I can't remember the specifics, so could be wrong on exactly where it comes from, but it might be one of those concepts that is influenced more by Greco-Roman philosophy.

God, as demonstrated by scripture in the overall sense, created human beings with the freedom to make choices. Oftentimes, our choices are incredibly bad. When bad things happen due to our own bad decisions, we like to blame God with the "well everything happens for a reason, it's all God's plan" sort of rubbish when in reality, they happened as a consequence to what we did.

For example, many right wingers believe that because Trump was elected, it was all because God had "appointed" him into that position, when in reality, Trump is a direct consequence of the choices voters made when they went to vote as well as the choices made by the electoral college. God didn't make people choose the way they did.

But people being people, we seem to enjoy avoiding all responsibility and blaming others (including God) for our own stupid actions, and the evidence is all around us that we've royally screwed up a whole mess of things in the general sense.

(And a severe lack of critical thinking skills and education in general hasn't helped matters.)

RawkGWJ wrote:

Has blaming it on Satan gone out of fashion?

I thought lately descriptions of what the QAnon believes includes Satanic influence. Unsure if that's not new or maybe even erroneous, as I only keep enough tabs on cults to avoid cultists.

Danjo Olivaw wrote:
RawkGWJ wrote:

Has blaming it on Satan gone out of fashion?

I thought lately descriptions of what the QAnon believes includes Satanic influence. Unsure if that's not new or maybe even erroneous, as I only keep enough tabs on cults to avoid cultists.

Yeah. On the Reply All podcast episode where they sort of exposed the true identity of Q, PJ made a comment about how trying to keep tabs on Q and the Q community’s ideology started to make him feel like he was a part of the weird conspiracy thinking, and for his own sanity he had to let it go.

I'm not sure I view this as good news.

Purdue will be dissolved as part of the settlement, and its assets will be used to create a new "public benefit company" controlled by a trust or similar entity designed for the benefit of the American public. The Justice Department said it will function entirely in the public interest rather than to maximize profits. Its future earnings will go to paying the fines and penalties, which in turn will be used to combat the opioid crisis.

That new company will continue to produce painkillers such as OxyContin, as well as drugs to deal with opioid overdose. Deputy Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen, who announced the settlement, defended the plans for the new company to continue to sell that drug, saying there are legitimate uses for painkillers such as OxyContin.

Sure, they are pleading guilty. But the company is still going to produce Oxy. There should have been more of an example made. Force them to only produce overdose drugs and make them provide it with pennies of profit. I hope they're still pursuing the Sacklers because those people are real pieces of garbage.

Sackler family ran away with over 10 billion dollars and hid it offshore

An audit shows that from 2008 through late 2018, the family withdrew more than eight times as much money from Purdue as the previous 13 years. Details of the withdrawals emerged during an audit of the company, which filed for bankruptcy in September. The audit, commissioned by Purdue, was filed in bankruptcy court Monday evening.
It showed that from 1995 through 2007, the Sacklers received $1.3 billion from Purdue; but from 2008 through 2018, those payments amounted to $10.7 billion.

Seems like the Pope would be more of an Offspring fan.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

Seems like the Pope would be more of an Offspring fan.

Dark pun response incoming

Spoiler:

Well I'd say his message is more Come as you are and less Rape me, even if reality has a ways to go

Mixolyde wrote:
BadKen wrote:

I don't want to say their shame is mitigated by the lining of their pockets, but...

But they don't feel shame.

Hard to feel anything with all that money stuffed into pockets.....

Hobear wrote:
Mixolyde wrote:
BadKen wrote:

I don't want to say their shame is mitigated by the lining of their pockets, but...

But they don't feel shame.

Hard to feel anything with all that money stuffed into pockets.....

Is that a corporate bribe in your pocket, or are you happy to see me?

Giuliani was just adjusting his corporate bribes?

Chumpy_McChump wrote:

Giuliani was just adjusting his corporate bribes?

He just wanted to see if the reporter wanted to look at his October Surprise.

Is just innocent sexy times.

I didn't have Mitch McConnell is Watermelon Man on my bingo card.

Forbes wrote:

For example, if a hedgehog riding a motorcycle were to run into a person, then you may assume that any injuries immediately suffered by the person were the result of the HMVA or hedgehog motor vehicle accident. Although, in such a case, you couldn’t completely rule out the possibility that injuries actually resulted when the person subsequently fell on a tarantula holding a knife.