NFL 2017 Week 10 Thread

I love how the 2nd sack is Claiborne from a stand-up position, dropping into zone coverage, then beating Prescott to the line of scrimmage and tackling him just behind it.

Still counts as a sack!

But besides that, a lot of those blocks from Chaz Green were straight up TJ Clemmings blocks:

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Colin Kaepernick may not have a QB job, but being named GQ's Citizen of the Year ain't too shabby.

Troy Aikmen actually stated on one of those sacks it was the worst play he had ever seen in his career in football

It's almost as if losing an all-world left tackle makes a difference, especially when you are forced to rely on your passing game. That game was painful to listen to. In fact, I turned it off after Claiborne's 5th sack, and enjoyed spending time with my daughter instead.

Abu5217 wrote:

I turned it off...and enjoyed spending time with my daughter instead.

I'm finding I'm doing a lot more of this during SUNDAY NFL CHURCH OF FOOTBALL as well.

I've missed a couple Seahawks comebacks but my time w/my kiddos never comes back.

The Browns with the worst play of the season. Kizer audibled into that play.

Abu5217 wrote:

It's almost as if losing an all-world left tackle makes a difference, especially when you are forced to rely on your passing game.

Sure, but it's worse than just that. That was not acceptable level of play from a reserve tackle. Nevermind how good the guy that starts ahead of him is. He needs to meet a certain level of play to justify taking a spot on an NFL roster. That wasn't close to it, especially since Adrian Clayborn is not some elite stud edge rusher. How do you give up 6 sacks to a guy that had 22 sacks in a 6.5 year career before that game?

Oh, I don't disagree at all, it was an embarrassing display, and I fault the Cowboys' staff for being woefully unprepared.

*Legion* wrote:

The Browns reportedly tried to trade for Terrelle Pryor at the trade deadline, but Washington wasn't interested in dealing him.

Pryor, you all will remember, was a player the Browns let walk in free agency just a few months ago, despite having all the cap space in the world. But I guess since he signed a cheaper deal in Washington than the one he turned down from Cleveland, his cost became Moneyball (tm) again.

garion333 wrote:

The Browns with the worst play of the season. Kizer audibled into that play.

That was my weekend, how was yours?

I feel bad Iso. The Browns Browns-ing is one of the most fun things in the NFL, but nobody likes their team getting too trashed in these threads.

Don't you want to take a break and cheer for someone else for a while? I feel like you and every other Browns fan deserves it.

*Legion* wrote:

The Browns reportedly tried to trade for Terrelle Pryor at the trade deadline, but Washington wasn't interested in dealing him.

Pryor, you all will remember, was a player the Browns let walk in free agency just a few months ago, despite having all the cap space in the world. But I guess since he signed a cheaper deal in Washington than the one he turned down from Cleveland, his cost became Moneyball (tm) again.

The moneyball actually made sense here though. Pryor only wanted a one year deal, and Kenny Britt on paper is a better replacement. Can't compare $6m/1y to $32m/4y, and it wouldn't be the browns without choices like Kenny Britt. (My dad went to Rutgers and makes sure I know every Rutgers player in the NFL. Measureables are great though lol)

*Legion* wrote:

I feel bad Iso. The Browns Browns-ing is one of the most fun things in the NFL, but nobody likes their team getting too trashed in these threads.

Don't you want to take a break and cheer for someone else for a while? I feel like you and every other Browns fan deserves it.

I find it telling that I'm a Bucs fan and you're a Jaguars fan, and we both still feel incredibly bad for Browns fans.

captainchaos wrote:

Pryor only wanted a one year deal

And if I were the Browns, I would have given it to him instead of signing Kenny Britt until he's 32.

Britt's 2016 was an outlier.

*Legion* wrote:
captainchaos wrote:

Pryor only wanted a one year deal

And if I were the Browns, I would have given it to him instead of signing Kenny Britt until he's 32.

Britt's 2016 was an outlier.

I thought Pryor wanted a longer deal for more money when the Browns offered 4/$32. He bet on himself on the one year deal and so far is failing miserably.

Touchdown Panthers!

Are you not entertained?

Actually, I'm not. It's kind of a dull game. Watching Cutler wing the ball all over the stadium isn't nearly as fun as I hoped it would.

Enix wrote:

Touchdown Panthers!

Are you not entertained?

Actually, I'm not. It's kind of a dull game. Watching Cutler wing the ball all over the stadium isn't nearly as fun as I hoped it would.

We can always hope he drills a fan like Oz did yesterday.

This is why I love GWJ.

* deleted my Dolphins-bashing because Miami just ripped off a huge TD run *

garion333 wrote:
*Legion* wrote:
captainchaos wrote:

Pryor only wanted a one year deal

And if I were the Browns, I would have given it to him instead of signing Kenny Britt until he's 32.

Britt's 2016 was an outlier.

I thought Pryor wanted a longer deal for more money when the Browns offered 4/$32. He bet on himself on the one year deal and so far is failing miserably.

I think it was a case of, he either wanted a long term deal of a certain size, or he wanted the one-year deal.

Browns didn't offer him a big enough multi-year deal, but they weren't offering the prove-it deal either.

I would have offered Pryor the one-year deal at a higher value than he got from anyone else. Even with his poor season with Washington, I stand by that. He was successful in Hue's system. They should have held onto him a year to see if he could repeat it, and if so, give him the deal he wants the next offseason.

Listen, the Browns have a fabulous history of making terrible decisions when it comes to the QB position. Every once and a while they want to spread their wings and try making terrible decisions when it comes to the WR position. Fly, birdie, fly!

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OOPS.

Let's review the progress of the free agents that the Browns allowed to walk away from their organization, in favor of more unused cap dollars:

Alex Mack: still a top 5 center, went to his 4th Pro Bowl last year
Mitchell Schwartz: still good, has taken over for Joe Thomas as holder of the NFL's longest consecutive snaps streak for an offensive lineman
Tashaun Gipson: having a fantastic year as part of that Jacksonville secondary (83.7 PFF grade)
Jordan Poyer: having an excellent year in Buffalo (82.0 PFF grade)
Travis Benjamin: more productive as Chargers #3 WR than any WR on Browns roster
Terrelle Pryor: they want him back

The linemen we've gone on about before, but those safeties blow my mind. They dumped them to turn around and spend a 1st round pick on Jabrill Peppers (PFF grade: 37.4, the Greg Robinson of the safety position)

Maybe Peppers eventually gets good, but that's how you become an 0-and-forever team in the modern parity NFL: have guys on your roster capable of playing a position at a high level, and let them walk in free agency so you can spend draft picks on the same position, filling the holes you just created.

NO!

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They were just too good for this world.

:'(

Going back to something only slightly less sad - the Browns - Tashaun Gipson is teeing off on everything Browns on the radio, except for the fans.

I don't get how the Browns land Gipson as an undrafted free agent, have him go to the Pro Bowl in 2014, have him near the top of the INT list for safeties over his final 3 seasons there, and then don't even express any real interest in having him come back.

*Legion* wrote:

:'(

Going back to something only slightly less sad - the Browns - Tashaun Gipson is teeing off on everything Browns on the radio, except for the fans.

I don't get how the Browns land Gipson as an undrafted free agent, have him go to the Pro Bowl in 2014, have him near the top of the INT list for safeties over his final 3 seasons there, and then don't even express any real interest in having him come back.

They're morons.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

:'(

Going back to something only slightly less sad - the Browns - Tashaun Gipson is teeing off on everything Browns on the radio, except for the fans.

I don't get how the Browns land Gipson as an undrafted free agent, have him go to the Pro Bowl in 2014, have him near the top of the INT list for safeties over his final 3 seasons there, and then don't even express any real interest in having him come back.

They're morons.

That about wraps it up, honestly.

One immutable fact of the NFL is that the winning formula to building a roster core is drafting good players, and then signing those players to contract extensions before they reach free agency. The player accepts less money than they would command on the open market in exchange for getting security earlier. That's how you build a core of a roster that you can afford in the salary cap era, and free agency is how you build the periphery. Occasionally you land a cornerstone of your franchise in free agency (or trade), but it's much rarer and not something you can count on.

Doing some thinking and searching, it's hard to come up with cases where the Browns have had the foresight to extend homegrown players. They might have gotten a clue after seeing what their 2016 purge did, as they extended both Joel Bitonio and Christian Kirksey this past offseason, their two highest 2014 picks that are still in football. They should be looking at extending Danny Shelton this offseason - or right now - as he is entering the final year of his rookie deal next season.

Joe Thomas is the one player they really invested in an extension in before he could reach the market.

Oh, and this reminds me of one of those Browns FAs I missed:

Jabaal Sheard: One of the league's leading pass rushers in terms of overall pressures, currently graded by PFF at just a hair under the "elite" designation: 89.9.

Hey, even New England let Sheard go even though they have literally no pass rush this season. Probably priced out, but ...

And, to be fair, I think Sheard was allowed to leave because he was then considered a 4-3 DE instead of a 3-4 WLB or vice versa. So, they at least had a decent, if flawed, reason to let him walk, unlike Schwartz or Gipson.

garion333 wrote:

And, to be fair, I think Sheard was allowed to leave because he was then considered a 4-3 DE instead of a 3-4 WLB or vice versa.

It goes back and forth here a bit. He had his most success early in Dick Jauron's very classic 4-3, had a bit less success in the schemes that came next (Ray Horton's 3-4, Jim O'Neil's hybrid 3-4/4-3), posted his best sack total in New England's 4-3/3-4 hybrid that leaned more 4-man line... but he's playing 3-4 in Indianapolis this year.

So, if they determined he couldn't stand up and play 3-4, they were wrong. It was just that their 3-4s were bad.

Hey, even New England let Sheard go even though they have literally no pass rush this season. Probably priced out, but ...

This is a fair point, but I do think it was primarily that the Colts were up to their traditional Colts oh-god-we-need-someone-on-this-defense desperation.