[Discussion] Mass Shootings - Yeah, we need a thread just for this...

This year is the deadliest year ever in terms of mass shootings. In a political climate of polarization, it becomes harder to suss out legitimate information from the misinformation propagated by those with political agendas. Complicating this more is the continual resistance of 2nd amendment advocates to allow for political talk surrounding these massacres. This will involve political discussion to see if there are ways we can all agree might be good ways to prevent mass shootings.

This discussion should involve the details of any current, or future mass shooting, and how they compare to past mass shootings. How are they the same? How are they different? Do gun laws have an impact? Does the race of the shooter affect how we treat them? What makes one a hate crime and one an act or terrorism? Are these shootings the price of freedom?

Well, that explains all the helicopter and siren noise. Still a lot of helicopters in the air.

Did the cops not have guns? All that is needed to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, right? Wait, are the cops good guys? I forget.

They were serving a warrant for possession of a firearm by a convicted felon. But you know, guns aren't the problem.

Sad that 3 US Marshalls lost their lives. 4 CMPD officers also shot, 1 in critical condition.

If only there was an concealed carry teacher there...

“High powered rifle” so I’m assuming AR15.

This barely even made the news today:

yeah, I saw that last night. It's even more buried this morning. I guess it wasn't violent enough to draw enough eye-balls.

Wisconsin got very lucky. And because we are incapable of learning...

From an interviewed parent

“Not here,” she said in disbelief. “You hear about this everywhere else but not here.”

and the superintendent

“It’s an experience that you just pray to God every day that you just don’t ever have to enter into,” Salerno told reporters.

Or, you know, restrict the ability to get guns in the first place...

WASHINGTON (AP) — The rate of guns stolen from cars in the U.S. has tripled over the last decade, making them the largest source of stolen guns in the country, an analysis of FBI data by the gun safety group Everytown found.

The alarming trend underscores the need for Americans to safely secure their firearms to prevent them from getting into the hands of dangerous people, said Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Director Steve Dettelbach, whose agency has separately found links between stolen guns and violent crimes.

Gun went off in local high school here this week, accidentally inside a kid's backpack.

Just like the above... how the hell does a gun get in a kid's backpack to start with? Then get forgotten about... then accidentally discharge, which means the safety wasn't on... and so on...

Everyone's a "responsible" gun owner until they aren't.

You would be amazed at the number of posts in r/justrolledintotheshop, that are of guns just laying loose in the passenger compartment of people's cars. Not hidden, not secured, just stuffed between the seat and the console.

Agent 86 wrote:

You would be amazed at the number of posts in r/justrolledintotheshop, that are of guns just laying loose in the passenger compartment of people's cars. Not hidden, not secured, just stuffed between the seat and the console.

My brother in law owns a chain of auto repair shops in very gun restrictive Maryland and he says he sees this sort of sh*t way more often than you think. It gets a call to County every time.

I have friends who work for Canada Customs, and the number of Americans rolling up to the border with their firearms on them who are convinced the 2nd amendment is applicable in Canada is shocking.

mudbunny wrote:

I have friends who work for Canada Customs, and the number of Americans rolling up to the border with their firearms on them who are convinced the 2nd amendment is applicable in Canada is shocking.

That should result in an immediate forfeiture of their firearms.

The people who do come in with this attitude do get their weapons forfeited, along with a monetary fine and/or criminal charges.

A lot of people show up having forgotten, and they are allowed to either "export it" or store it at the border in a secure locker.

It happens at the US/Mexico border as well. The attitude you tend to get is that I NEED it, Mexico is so dangerous. :eyeroll:

Uvalde Victims’ Families Allege Gun Maker Advertised to Shooter Through Instagram, Call of Duty

Families of children killed in the 2022 mass shooting in Uvalde, Texas filed lawsuits Friday accusing companies including the maker of Call of Duty videogames, Instagram and an AR-15 rifle manufacturer of colluding to market military-style semiautomatic guns to minors.

I'm skeptical if this goes anywhere, personally. Mostly because this wouldn't be as much of an issue if we had civilized gun control laws.

Was he using an air rifle? How did he manage so low a kill rate?

Paleocon wrote:

Was he using an air rifle? How did he manage so low a kill rate?

Commenting about his choice of weapon to explain his low kill rate is peak cyberpunk America

Don’t forget that bullets can and will leave someone with life long crippling injuries that can significantly reduce the quality of life. It’s rare you can walk away from a bullet wound completely unscathed

TheGameguru wrote:

Don’t forget that bullets can and will leave someone with life long crippling injuries that can significantly reduce the quality of life. It’s rare you can walk away from a bullet wound completely unscathed

As the saying goes, "what doesn't kill you only makes you really really weak."

TheGameguru wrote:

Don’t forget that bullets can and will leave someone with life long crippling injuries that can significantly reduce the quality of life. It’s rare you can walk away from a bullet wound completely unscathed

Good point. I often hear about these things thinking "only x dead, y wounded, that's not so bad", but sometimes that wounded is losing a limb, being comatose, needing several expensive operations to not die, really life-altering things. Thanks for the reminder.

Atras wrote:
TheGameguru wrote:

Don’t forget that bullets can and will leave someone with life long crippling injuries that can significantly reduce the quality of life. It’s rare you can walk away from a bullet wound completely unscathed

Good point. I often hear about these things thinking "only x dead, y wounded, that's not so bad", but sometimes that wounded is losing a limb, being comatose, needing several expensive operations to not die, really life-altering things. Thanks for the reminder.

Maybe to help drive the point home to everyone we should just start referring to all shooting victims, whether killed or injured, as "casualties".

For example, according to Wikipedia, in the US there were eight mass shootings between June 1st and June 2nd. (That's not a typo. Let that sink in a minute.)

We can either say that over the weekend 8 people died in mass shootings, and maybe try to shrug it off as life in America, or we can say there were 62 casualties, and make it a little harder for everyone else to hand-wave away.

The Sandy Hook survivors are graduating high school.

It is genuinely embarrassing that absolutely nothing has meaningfully changed since then.

Newtown, Connecticut
CNN

High school seniors Emma Ehrens and Grace Fischer will hear their names read out today as they are called to collect their diplomas and start the next chapter of their lives.

But they are also steeling themselves to hear 20 other names of former classmates who never got to leave first grade, let alone plan for college and grow into adulthood.

Today is the day that the 20 children massacred at Sandy Hook Elementary School in December 2012 would have graduated, perhaps cheered on by the six teachers and administrators also killed in the deadliest K-12 shooting in US history.

“It’s just going to be heartbreaking,” Grace told CNN. “I can’t imagine that 20 kids are not graduating with us and that they’re not having the opportunity to walk across the stage.”

Emma said she’s trying to prepare herself for a range of emotions – the joy at leaving school, nerves about what’s next and reflecting on what should have been.

“Thinking about all the what ifs: what if they were sitting next to me at graduation, what if we were still friends, where would we be? It’s just going to be a lot of what ifs in my head,” she said.

With gun violence the leading cause of death for children in the United States, and with shootings inside schools continuing to claim the lives of students and teachers while devastating communities in places like Uvalde, Texas; Parkland, Florida; Nashville, Tennessee; and Santa Fe, Texas – all since Newtown – many other students may be faced with their own “what ifs.”

Newtown High School’s Class of 2024 will be wearing green and white ribbons on their graduation gowns, each inscribed with “Forever In Our Hearts” to remember the children and adults who were killed while the new graduates survived, because they happened to be in a different classroom or got an extra few seconds to escape.