[Discussion] Mass Shootings - Yeah, we need a thread just for this...

This year is the deadliest year ever in terms of mass shootings. In a political climate of polarization, it becomes harder to suss out legitimate information from the misinformation propagated by those with political agendas. Complicating this more is the continual resistance of 2nd amendment advocates to allow for political talk surrounding these massacres. This will involve political discussion to see if there are ways we can all agree might be good ways to prevent mass shootings.

This discussion should involve the details of any current, or future mass shooting, and how they compare to past mass shootings. How are they the same? How are they different? Do gun laws have an impact? Does the race of the shooter affect how we treat them? What makes one a hate crime and one an act or terrorism? Are these shootings the price of freedom?

For those who haven't read into it, here's the story behind why they're charging the parents.

CNN wrote:

"I have tremendous compassion and empathy for parents who have children struggling. I am, by no means, saying that an active shooter situation should always result in a criminal prosecution against parents. But the facts of this case are so egregious," McDonald added.

Ethan Crumbley was present when his father purchased a Sig Sauer gun just four days before the shooting, McDonald said. The teenager called the gun "my new beauty" on social media, while his mother referred to the weapon as "his new Christmas present," according to McDonald. After a teacher said she saw Ethan Crumbley searching ammunition on his phone during class, school officials tried to contact the parents the night before the shooting -- but got no response. The mother however, exchanged text messages with her son that day, and wrote, "LOL, I'm not mad at you. You have to learn not to get caught," according to McDonald. When another teacher found a disturbing note on the student's desk the morning of the shooting, both parents were summoned to school and told to get their son counseling, the prosecutor said. But the parents then left and the boy was sent back to class.

So besides all the other warning signs they ignored, that morning they were called into the school and told they had to get their son counseling within 48 hours. But they resisted taking him out of school and left without him, where later that day he killed four people. They knew the gun wasn't locked away, and they knew that he had access to it, but didn't check to see if he had it (it was in his backpack, which was in the office with them while they were called in).

"Gross negligence" doesn't even begin to cover it.

I think we can all agree the real villain here is critical race theory. If the parents weren't forced to fight CRT at the school board meetings they would have had more time to stop themselves buying a gun for their kid. Thanks Obama.

Keldar wrote:

"Gross negligence" doesn't even begin to cover it.

Yeah, wow. You might even call it criminally negligent

Baron Of Hell wrote:

I think we can all agree the real villain here is critical race theory. If the parents weren't forced to fight CRT at the school board meetings they would have had more time to stop themselves buying a gun for their kid. Thanks Obama.

I think Marie Calendar has to accept some of the blame as well.

The mother of the shooter wrote the below letter to trump.

“As a female and a Realtor, thank you for allowing my right to bear arms. Allowing me to be protected if I show a home to someone with bad intentions,” she wrote in November 2016. “Thank you respecting that Amendment.”

Jennifer added that she liked the fact that the former president was “not good at public speaking” and that she did not blame him for not making his tax returns public. She also wrote about Ethan, just 10 years old at the time, explaining how she was skipping bill payments in order to afford a tutor capable of teaching “Common Core.”

“My son struggles daily, and my teachers tell me they hate teaching it but the [sic] HAVE to,” Jennifer wrote. “I have to pay for a Tutor, why? Because I can’t figure out 4th grade math. I used to be good at math. I can’t afford a Tutor, in fact I sacrifice car insurance to make sure my son gets a good education and hopefully succeeds in life.”

The open letter was signed: “A hard working Middle Class Law Abiding Citizen who is sick of getting f---ed in the a-- and would rather be grabbed by the p----.”

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Can’t afford car insurance. Can’t pay the bills. Can’t afford a tutor for their son. But something tells me even back then they still had plenty of money for guns and ammo.

When you're pilled so far you refer to yourself as a female. Yikes to this whole family. I can only hope that it prompts families and loved ones of people who behave this way to watch and report before things go as far as they did in this instance. People so up in their own freedoms that they're a risk to everyone around them.

The community outreach and support for the affected families of this tragedy is the only good in this story. Everything else about this situation is rotten to the core and I hope those two negligent, selfish idiots have some sense of self-awareness of how thoroughly they've ruined not just the life of their child with their stupidity, and those of the many, many others, ended or harmed by his actions.

gewy wrote:

Can’t afford car insurance. Can’t pay the bills. Can’t afford a tutor for their son. But something tells me even back then they still had plenty of money for guns and ammo.

Daddy's $1200 in arrears on child support, but they can drop $600 on a gun and withdraw $4k in cash during their little run to the border...

On the bright side she won’t have to worry about getting a tutor for her son anymore.

Tone deaf senator shares his holiday fiasco card.

Wife and I got into an argument about this today. She thinks the Crumbleys' behavior will be seen as unforgivable to everyone, now and going forward.

I think the right-wing media machine is going to be spinning up in the next week or so to come to their defense. Or maybe closer to their trial at the latest. To their audience, they'll be successful in portraying them as decent, law-abiding, America-loving parents who tried their best and did nothing wrong- now being ruthlessly victimized by the evil liberal media to take away everyone's guns and freedom. Huge sums of money will flow to their defense, and more than likely they'll become regular fixtures to offer commentary on conservative opinion shows. I don't think either one of them will ultimately wind up with enough Republican cachet to run for office later this decade, but... I wouldn't rule it out.

You're not wrong. It could go that way however the stories seem fairly neglegent. That said I've seen the right tackle worse in the name of guns.

I've already seen attempts to suggest it's the prosecutor's fault they ran, because she apparently didn't give the sheriff's office, enough notice of the incoming charges. So even if they don't spin it to exonerate the parents, they'll still spin it into a way to stoke anger at the liberal elites (the prosecutor).

There's a problem with the parents-as-heroes narrative, which is they left their kid to rot in jail when they ran. I could've almost seen some sort of "I will protect my son regardless of what terrors he committed" spun into the reactionary narrative, but those cowards left him with the authorities to save their own hides. I realize the right has decades of experience turning cowards into heroes, but this situation is not Rittenhouse.

I think it is far more likely that there will be a right wing media blackout on the Crumbleys and that they will make it all about "why are the SJWs picking on law abiding gun owners about a mentally ill person??"

I agree. They'll abandon the Crumbleys and use No True Scotsman to protect all the "good gun owners".

Agree on the blackout but I don’t think they will completely abandon them..I suspect somehow they will magically be able to afford a top notch legal team and PR. It will just be very hush hush.

Right now they have one of Larry Nassar's defense attorneys, so they've got nowhere to go but up.

TheGameguru wrote:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...

Parents of the year.

What in the ever loving f*ck?

Yeah, when you shoot and kill two pretty white girls, not even the 2A activists can help you.

Or the parents are playing a 4D chess game, garnering sympathy for their son by acting like the worst parents ever?

Yeah, I got nothing...

Not sure if other parents experienced this, but local schools are on alert due to the “kill your classmates for Christmas” TikTok challenge. I’m 99.999 percent sure that it’s sh*tlord trolling but still sucks that we are at this place in America.

The "Notice" that my son showed me on Snapchat ended in "Let's Go Brandon" so that gave me all the info I nedded.

I saw about a dozen teacher friends post something from their school about this today.

EverythingsTentative wrote:

The "Notice" that my son showed me on Snapchat ended in "Let's Go Brandon" so that gave me all the info I nedded.

To be clear, I'm not really buying into it. School officials and law enforcement though are on high alert, at least here in the greater Seattle area.

jdzappa wrote:
EverythingsTentative wrote:

The "Notice" that my son showed me on Snapchat ended in "Let's Go Brandon" so that gave me all the info I nedded.

To be clear, I'm not really buying into it. School officials and law enforcement though are on high alert, at least here in the greater Seattle area.

Some schools in the Twin Cities area closed. My district leadership investigated and determined there wasn't a valid-enough threat to close schools.

jdzappa wrote:

Not sure if other parents experienced this, but local schools are on alert due to the “kill your classmates for Christmas” TikTok challenge. I’m 99.999 percent sure that it’s sh*tlord trolling but still sucks that we are at this place in America.

Yup, both girls schools sent out notes.

I've loathed social media since... well pretty much since not long after I first learned about Twitter. And that hate has only grown more comprehensively against social media over time.

But what has really made me hate social media and wish I could just burn it all down and/or stop it from ever being invented has been raising a child. Once she was in mid-to-late elementary school, her peer group really started getting rooted in social media, and it has only gotten worse and worse ever since. I've done what I can to try to moderate her experience & views with regard to it, but there's only so much a parent can do.

Sometimes I wish we could have just frozen technology sometime in the 90's or 00's before it became so invasive into every corner of life. The ways in which it makes the lives of our youth so much more stressful and toxic than even my generation during the early days of AOL and the like (which had its own problems, certainly; not speaking as if that was some idyllic time without adult predators and cyberbullies going after minors online) are just... frankly the challenges are insurmountable on a family level.

I know it's a lot of fun to pile on the hate for social media, but maybe we should be a tad more pissed about the f*cking stupid near-universal access to murder toys?

There was a news report in MA today about how many schools are experiencing a high volume of kids not going to school because of fear of a shooting - and the principals are also blaming social media. Blame the f*cking guns! We can teach kids to hide behind locked doors, or shelter in place from a shooter, but we can't get Federal gun locker laws? It's not f*cking Facebook or TikTok who murdered a room full of kindergarteners 7 years ago, it was a human person who had access to a gun and decided to do it.