NFL 2017 Week 5 Thread

cube wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

Russell Wilson is one of the few who has earned his money, but he seems to have a hard ceiling that's just beneath the elite caliber.

Andrew Luck is the guy the class voted Most Likely to Be The Next Elite QB, but he keeps not quite making it, injuries being part of but not all of the problem.

These two are victims of their GM trying to kill them on the field than anything else.

That's certainly part of it. For Wilson, I'm still not sure he's quite the caliber of raw passer it takes to ascend to absolute elite status. Even when he does get some protection, he's a solid but not earth-shattering downfield passer. I mean in comparison to the elite caliber, which is essentially comparing against Hall of Fame candidates. What he is capable of is obviously championship caliber, so there's no slighting him here. Like I said, he's one of the few younger guys who's coming close enough to even remotely discuss.

Stele wrote:

Teddy B was heading for great, with his playoff win botched by a kicker, then derailed by freak injury. He'll be back this season.

I'm really not sure what to make of Teddy. Obviously I was very strongly on board with him during the draft process, and 2015 was a step forward, but I have a hard time getting excited about 200 passing yards a game average in the modern NFL era. I don't think that's his ceiling by any means, but Sam Bradford steps into the same offense and those numbers jump way up. Of course, there has been some change in the Vikings O over that course of time, with it now fully in the hands of Pat Shurmur. And there's no denying which direction Teddy's arrow was pointing. But still a lot I need to see from him before I'd factor him into that conversation.

Teddy B. played great two years ago considering the line he was behind, largely because he had enough functional mobility to move around in the pocket and buy a little time. He's not a running QB, but he moved well enough to compensate.

The man's leg nearly fell off. I mean, like, everything ruptured outside of skin. I would really like Bridgewater to come back in some way, but between mobility concerns and just basic mechanical issues with planning your legs and powering through throws, I think there's a solid chance he's done. It sucks, and I have no medical knowledge to back this up, but that's about the worst knee injury I've ever heard of, and buzz out of the Vikings has been basically nonexistent. Nobody is talking about his great recovery or anything.

*Legion* wrote:

That's certainly part of it. For Wilson, I'm still not sure he's quite the caliber of raw passer it takes to ascend to absolute elite status. Even when he does get some protection, he's a solid but not earth-shattering downfield passer. I mean in comparison to the elite caliber, which is essentially comparing against Hall of Fame candidates. What he is capable of is obviously championship caliber, so there's no slighting him here. Like I said, he's one of the few younger guys who's coming close enough to even remotely discuss.

For me, the inexplicable thing about Wilson is that, the more time and calm he has, the worse he performs. And vice versa. When he's under extreme duress, being tackled and crushed by 3 backs, he'll throw a 40 yard ball through the eye of a sprinting needle. Sometimes I wonder if Pete & Co. accept that fact about Wilson and that's why they don't provide him with proper coverage. He needs the pressure to perform.

Gronk is out tonight.

MoonDragon wrote:

For me, the inexplicable thing about Wilson is that, the more time and calm he has, the worse he performs. And vice versa. When he's under extreme duress, being tackled and crushed by 3 backs, he'll throw a 40 yard ball through the eye of a sprinting needle. Sometimes I wonder if Pete & Co. accept that fact about Wilson and that's why they don't provide him with proper coverage. He needs the pressure to perform.

There is something to that as well.

According to PFF's pressure metrics, last season Wilson had the 4th highest QB rating when under pressure. On plays when kept clean, that ranking dropped to 18th.

Now, the "kept clean" QB rating was still higher than the "pressure" rating. Protecting Wilson better would be a good thing. But the improvement is much more modest than with other QBs. Other QBs are better equipped to play from a clean pocket than Wilson is, while Wilson is much better equipped at dealing with a collapsing pocket than most QBs.

My takeaway is that it goes against the narrative that Wilson would be significantly better if better protected. What the numbers tell us is that the bump in production we should expect from a well-protected Wilson would likely be incremental, not transformational.

Is Bill Cowher growing a mullet?

Did someone say Bill Cowher? Is it Queen V time again?

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*Legion* wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:

So, for tonight, MLB Kwon Alexander is out, as is WLB Lavonte David and safety T.J. Ward. Tampa will be starting rookies at safety and MLB. While LB Kendell Beckwith has played phenomenally well this year and PFF named him Honorable Mention on their team, he's still a rookie.

It's a really, really good week to have anybody on the Patriots offense in fantasy football, I'd bet.

This seems like the kind of game that should be a 39-35 shootout score, but since it's Thursday Night Football, it's equally likely that everyone on the field forgets how to play the f*cking game and it ends 13-7, after two missed TB field goal attempts keep them from tying.

And so far, the game is more 13-7 than 39-35.

Fightin' Texas Aggie Justin Evans intercepts Tom Brady in his first NFL start! Whoop!

Spoiler:

In before some wise-ass says "Um,
this isn't Brady's first start!"

Winston appears to have his traditional big-game yips, and has missed some open guys. Doug Martin looks phenomenal, but, if Winston had hit a few of those passes, they'd be hammering the Patriots.

Somehow I think the "Be better than me" line is going to get memed left and right.

Could you ask James to look Adam Humphries way a few times so I don't look like a total idiot for starting him this week. Well, it wasn't Amari Cooper was going to catch anything anyway...

Jayhawker wrote:

Could you ask James to look Adam Humphries way a few times so I don't look like a total idiot for starting him this week. Well, it wasn't Amari Cooper was going to catch anything anyway...

Look his way, sure. Complete a deep ball to him? Probably not.

Rat Boy wrote:

Somehow I think the "Be better than me" line is going to get memed left and right.

Well, that was way better than I expected.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Winston appears to have his traditional big-game yips, and has missed some open guys. Doug Martin looks phenomenal, but, if Winston had hit a few of those passes, they'd be hammering the Patriots.

Okay, so Winston doesn't normally look *this* bad? Cause he looks terrible.

Every time Winston has played a night game he has looked terrible, at least early. He tends to play better later after he calms down, but he's always been worse early in games and had some bizarre proportion of his INTs be in the first quarter last year. So, no, not usually this bad at all, but, man, he looks awful. He's actually looked good this year and even against the Vikings looked really good with all the balls that didn't, you know, go into Vikings' defenders hands.

garion333 wrote:
Rat Boy wrote:

Somehow I think the "Be better than me" line is going to get memed left and right.

Well, that was way better than I expected.

It really was. He obviously wasn't understanding the how poorly this made him look. I'm sure the loss of Dannon and other sponsors helped clear that up.

But that was a legit good apology. Finally.

GODDAMN IT DESEAN JACKSON WIDE STINKING OPEN GODDAMN IT

This is why I always laugh when people think the Bucs will make it to post-season. Until they are CONSISTENT I scoff.

I don't think I like Tony Romo as a TV person.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

He tends to play better later after he calms down

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*Legion* wrote:

it's equally likely that everyone on the field forgets how to play the f*cking game and it ends 13-7, after two missed TB field goal attempts keep them from tying.

OK, so 16-7 with three missed FGs that would tie it up. Close enough.

Oh dang, Tampa scores a TD! Man one of those field goals would be real good right now.

EDIT: Tampa getting the ball back after a NE FG with some time left on the clock. Finally something interesting.

Tampa should have spiked it after the first catch of the drive. With 0:44 on the clock, you don't need to preserve the extra down, you need to stop the clock and save time, and take that next snap without rushing. If you don't get another first down in the next 3 downs, then you weren't moving down the field enough anyway.

Desean could have lined up for the spike. That was just bad.

Its really not as funny when its not Aguayo.

jowner wrote:

Its really not as funny when its not Aguayo.

Through 5 games, Folk has been sub-Aguayo. He had 2 missed FGs and 2 missed XPs already, going into this game. This game drops his FG% to 55%.

Looking around free agency for kickers, you have Josh Lambo, Mike Nugent... and, well, Roberto Aguayo.

Do you think about giving Aguayo another chance?

That is, if you get the chance. The Bears just brought him in for a workout, they are considering their options to replace, ironically enough, Connor Barth. They brought in Lambo to work out too.

I mean, I probably take Lambo. He's out of work because he's an 81% kicker in a league where the median is about 85%, and his XPs are 91% where the median is about 95%. He's below average reliable but not a meltdown.

Still though, there's a chance. The door is cracked open...

Aguayo coming back to Tampa would be The Story of the Season.

iaintgotnopants wrote:

I don't think I like Tony Romo as a TV person.

I do, but he rambles. He'll tighten it up as things go on. Or he'll be out of a job.

*Legion* wrote:
jowner wrote:

Its really not as funny when its not Aguayo.

Through 5 games, Folk has been sub-Aguayo. He had 2 missed FGs and 2 missed XPs already, going into this game. This game drops his FG% to 55%.

Looking around free agency for kickers, you have Josh Lambo, Mike Nugent... and, well, Roberto Aguayo.

Do you think about giving Aguayo another chance?

That is, if you get the chance. The Bears just brought him in for a workout, they are considering their options to replace, ironically enough, Connor Barth. They brought in Lambo to work out too.

I mean, I probably take Lambo. He's out of work because he's an 81% kicker in a league where the median is about 85%, and his XPs are 91% where the median is about 95%. He's below average reliable but not a meltdown.

Still though, there's a chance. The door is cracked open...

There are...other options.

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Myles Garrett expected to play this weekend. May the football gods have mercy on his body.

Well, he was my Browns draft pic, so surely that means he will have a long and productive career.

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