Nintendo Switch Catch-All 2.0

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jrralls wrote:

Anyone know if this is valid logical reasoning:

Doesn't mean much.

Mario Kart 8 DX lists a 2017 copyright date on the eShop website. Not 2014-2017.

And I'll reiterate what I said before:

shoptroll wrote:

Smash has always been a highly iterative series with each game building on top of the previous one.

What I meant by this is that a port + new content or a full-on sequel are going to be virtually indistinguishable to most people unless they dramatically shake things up like Melee -> Brawl did (Ultras, tripping, slowing down the pace, etc.). Smash 4 largely took Brawl, removed tripping, tweaked the balance (and some ultras), sped it up a bit and added a wealth of new characters and stages. This is a gross simplification of the changes and their impact, but we're just arguing semantics at this point.

New Smash means new Amiibos. Might be a better business case for that than there is for reissuing the old ones for a port.

There might also be licensing issues with the 3rd party characters when it comes to doing a straight port.

Vargen wrote:

There might also be licensing issues with the 3rd party characters when it comes to doing a straight port.

That is a really solid point. I would be really surprised if the licensing original deal covered ports.

Vargen wrote:

New Smash means new Amiibos. Might be a better business case for that than there is for reissuing the old ones for a port.

There might also be licensing issues with the 3rd party characters when it comes to doing a straight port.

Eeehhhh.

They've already released new iterations of Samus for Samus Returns. Even if it is a port, they can just have a "series two" of all the same characters in different poses.

As for licensing issues, Nintendo continues to be in good cooperative standing with SEGA, Bandai Namco, Capcom and Square Enix (covering Sonic, Bayonetta, Pac-Man, Mega Man and Cloud, respectively). About the only uncertainty would be Konami and Snake, and seeing as it costs Konami nothing to leave Snake in and they're willing to sell their franchise out with Pachinko machines and zombie mods... meh.

Still, I've got my speculation cap on. Why would Breath of the Wild Link mean anything more than a reskin? My best guess is because BotW Link himself plays differently than post-Ocarina Link would. Theoretically, at least. You could easily just swap the bomb skin and explosion effect no problem, Link still has bow & arrow, and he's still got the ability to use boomerangs if they aren't really a major tool. About the only thing that might be out of place is the grappling hook, which you could just reskin as the magnet power. In addition, Link in Smash has always implemented attacks from Zelda II as well, or at least poses resembling such animations. So I don't see any reason for BotW Link to mean "new character" or "new game".

Now, they could change the character to play differently, and I'd be curious to see how they'd implement the new tools like stasis as Smash abilities. Simultaneously, I'd be curious – and in fact would love to see – Linkle as a character. If I recall she primarily dual-wields crossbows and has a totally different combat style simply from being in a Musou game. I'd love to see Linkle on the roster.

In fact, regardless of it's new or a port, let's get down to character wishlists. I say Captain Toad and Captain Toadette get their due! Either as swappable skins or an Ice Climbers type pairing.

ccesarano wrote:

In fact, regardless of it's new or a port, let's get down to character wishlists. I say Captain Toad and Captain Toadette get their due! Either as swappable skins or an Ice Climbers type pairing.

My vote will always be for Geno from SMRPG and Issac from Golden Sun. We got Issac as an Assist Trophy, but it's not the same. And if they need to give us another Fire Emblem character, it should be a Lord that doesn't use swords, like Hector or Ephraim.

Oh man Captain Toad and Toadette would be fantastic inclusions! I have mained Toad in Mario Kart since MK64 and I've been thrilled with the emergence of his role as Captain Toad in various games.

Whenever someone starts the SwitchSmash thread, please make sure to drop a link here!

Captain N: The Game Master is the only character I would genuinely freak out if they put in Smash.

Since we're talking roster wishlists...

shoptroll wrote:
shoptroll wrote:

Also, I'd like to see Ice Climbers restored now that 3DS performance isn't an issue. And a better Konami representative... Alucard or one of the Belmonts instead of Snake since Castlevania had much bigger presence on Nintendo hardware than Metal Gear.

I take this back. Linkle and a BotW Zelda alt. that weilds the sheikah slate please!

I don’t think Nintendo would have difficulty licensing the characters, but it wouldn’t surprise me if the specific terms of the Smash 4 license might make things more difficult.

So if they put in Captain Toad and Toadette... how do you design a Smash character whose defining feature is their inability to jump?

Is there any single piece of evidence that points to it being a port?

jrralls wrote:

Is there any single piece of evidence that points to it being a port?

Is there any single piece of evidence that points to it not being a port?

Seriously, here's the beginning and end of my argument:

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The Inklings trailer had the imagery of a number of Smash alum on a giant plateau that was used in many of the Smash 4 trailers. That key visual is largely why I believe an enhanced port (in the vein of Mario Kart 8 DX) is what's happening.

Hrm. Would anyone be able to wait until 2021 for a new Smash on Switch...?

EDIT: I was pondering starting a new thread for it, but yeah, based on what Shop said and studies of silhouettes we are likely not looking at characters too far off from what we've already got.

Personally, I'd wait to see if it's an enhanced port or not. If it's a continuation of Smash 4 then I see no reason for a new thread, but ymmv, obv.

Yeah, garion333’s image sums up my thoughts as well. I’d be seriously concerned for Sakurai’s health if this was not built upon 4.

It's probably splitting hairs, but I'm still wondering why all their news related posts list it as "Smash Brothers: Working Title" rather than Smash 4.

Well, there is the fact that Smash 4 wasn’t called Smash 4, but Super Smash Bros. for Wii U and Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS. Probably the worst thing about those games is the title. So maybe they’re just holding off to see if they can come up with anything better than Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo Switch. (That’s probably what it will be called.)

It might be a terrible title but they earn points for wordplay in my book

As a lifelong gamer I get where the "it's only a port" comes from. As a logical human, though, I don't really get where it comes from.

Around here I'm not seeing anyone argue "it's only a port" or if they did I forgot.

By saying it's a port, I'm not denigrating it, I don't think it needs a full sequel.

Sorry. I just mean in general. You're right that no one here is saying it, and yet everyone is speculating on whether it is or isn't a port, so when I hear that I'm hearing (implied) the wider Internet conversation. You're correct that no one here is saying that.

I just think it's weird in general to care about that. It seems so close that it *should* be a port. I think with games like this, Mario Kart, Splatoon, etc. we should want them to be long running platforms until major changes warrant otherwise.

DSGamer wrote:

As a lifelong gamer I get where the "it's only a port" comes from. As a logical human, though, I don't really get where it comes from.

Which is more of a draw - Hour 50 of the same experience you've been having, or Hour 1 of an entirely novel experience?

Though to be fair, that only really applies if you've already played the original title. F'rinstance, I've been all over Mario Kart 8 on the Switch, but only because I never played it on Wii U - it is essentially a new game to me.

ccesarano wrote:

Hrm. Would anyone be able to wait until 2021 for a new Smash on Switch...?

EDIT: I was pondering starting a new thread for it, but yeah, based on what Shop said and studies of silhouettes we are likely not looking at characters too far off from what we've already got.

Are there any characters left without scraping the barrel?

Warriorpoet897 wrote:
ccesarano wrote:

Hrm. Would anyone be able to wait until 2021 for a new Smash on Switch...?

EDIT: I was pondering starting a new thread for it, but yeah, based on what Shop said and studies of silhouettes we are likely not looking at characters too far off from what we've already got.

Are there any characters left without scraping the barrel?

What's crazier than Wii Fit Trainer? Start pulling characters out of Rhythm Heaven? Rabbids from Kingdom Battle?

I was personally disappointed that Mario Kart and Captain Toad were ports. I'm not a hipster or whatever, I just want more content!

If Mario Kart had included two new circuits, maybe I would have felt differently. I'd be happy for MK8 to be a platform if they periodically brought out more content.

I'm very happy the best Kart ever and brilliant Captain Toad are getting wider audiences, but I want more!

Also, I've never really Smashed, so I'm not really sure how that model works. I perceive there's a steady drip of free content, not unlike Splatoon, which makes me kinda jealous.

I get why they did MK, it was the best MK ever and a system seller.

I'm a bit more disappointed that Captain Toad is a port, but I guess of all the games it's the one that needs to be introduced to people before a sequel is made. Of all the games it probably took the most to port because of the way it used the Wii U Gamepad.

garion333 wrote:

I'm a bit more disappointed that Captain Toad is a port, but I guess of all the games it's the one that needs to be introduced to people before a sequel is made.

(Ignoring #TMS and Wonderful 101 of course ;))

It didn't even show up on the official best sellers of Nintendo Published titles list. So as a follow-up title to Mario 3D World (which did nearly 6 million units worldwide) it ranks below even the likes of Mario Party 10.

It also remains to be seen how much new content they add with this version. Hopefully it's another fully sized chapter which would be like 25% more content.

A simultaneous 3DS version suggests they still want to recoup development costs (similar to how Yoshi's Wooly World nabbed a port very quickly). I'm more surprised they waited this long, I think I was predicting a Captain Toad 3DS title a couple years ago in one of the prediction threads on the front page.