Football Manager Series Catch-All

I think your builders accidentally got the plans for Everton's new stadium by mistake, then realised partway through.

Blends nicely with the surroundings though.

Weird things can happen in FM.

For instance, I went back to my Fulham game. We somehow managed to win the EFL Cup, got promoted at a canter, but that's not what struck me as super-weird.

What was weird was that, as the season wound down, I went looking for new wingers, and was able to secure the services of one Vinicius Junior for $18.5M upfront. One of the hottest young talents in world football. To a just-promoted PL side. From Real Madrid.

Weird game.

(We also locked up Timothy Weah for $8M, because I am now making Fulham like Athletic Bilbao, except with US Internationals.)

Prederick wrote:

Weird game.

(We also locked up Timothy Weah for $8M, because I am now making Fulham like Athletic Bilbao, except with US Internationals.)

As a Southampton fan I'm very wary of anyone with the surname Weah... not as wary as Graeme Souness probably is though...

George Weah's cousin you say?

Hmm, George Weah. Signed for Man City in 2000 just before the start of the season, when we were desperate for strikers. Left after 7 games because he wasn't starting, and also (apocryphally) because he had the temerity to interrupt one of manager Joe Royle's half-time teamtalks and was told to "shut the f*** up".

This is incredibly embarrassing, but also very funny. So we're coming down the home stretch in my Fulham game, and have a shot at 100 points with two games left. So obviously, in the next-to-last game, we lost 2-1 to Birmingham despite outshooting them 20-5.

But that's not what's embarrassing or funny, what is embarrassing and funny is that, after watching my striker miss a THIRD clear-cut chance to get us a point, I slammed my first on the desk so hard I bruised my pinky.

I hope someone on reddit has started a "FM injuries YOU'VE suffered" thread somewhere.

Haha!

I probably came the closest I've ever come to smashing my keyboard to bits this weekend after we drew 1-1 vs. a team in the league below us in the FA Trophy Cup, then lost to them 2-1 in the rematch, despite them getting a red card in the 39th minute.

In the two matches combined we outshot them 60-20.

FM Injuries Thread

I think they had to stop it when it reached page 2000.

My entry - after a penalty miss in a cup final, I reached for the nearest thing and hit myself on the head with it (I was really mad). It was a 400 page book. Hardback.

Nearly knocked myself sensible.

Oh FM.

First game in the Premier League, against Southampton.

We dominate, have 6 CCCs, 5 HCs, but only win 1-0, and Mitro breaks his foot and is gone for at least 3 months. Fantastic.

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Mmmm. The sweet, sweet sensation of rage.

(They blocked THIRTEEN shots and their goalie played a 7.8.)

I don't know what it is, but the AI goalies are really starting to infuriate me. When my team is superior, i'm regularly seeing them play 7.1+ games and it's really getting under my skin.

Prederick wrote:

What was weird was that, as the season wound down, I went looking for new wingers, and was able to secure the services of one Vinicius Junior for $18.5M upfront. One of the hottest young talents in world football. To a just-promoted PL side. From Real Madrid.

Weird game.

(We also locked up Timothy Weah for $8M, because I am now making Fulham like Athletic Bilbao, except with US Internationals.)

So! I was fully expecting for Vinicius to be the great one, and Weah to be coming along.

Instead, Weah has been great, and Vinicius is playing a 6.74 in all competitions with some real 6.3/6.1 stinkers in there. He's missed an absolute truckload of CCCs, and it's starting to drive me insane. Sure, his finishing and composure are both 12's right now, but Aboubakar Kamara has 11's and he's got 9 goals in 11 starts!

So I come to you, fellow FM players, have any of you had this experience? You sign a player who on paper is plenty good enough, but in game just repeatedly turns out disappointing performance after disappointing performance? Is there a fix?

(And what makes it extra annoying is that he's fantastic in training each week! But once the game starts? Useless.)

EDIT: Y'know what? I think it's his PPMs. I took a look at some of the finest inside forwards in the game today, and none of them have "Hugs Line" as a PPM. I suspect it heavily screws with my narrower tactic. Although that simply doesn't explain his extreme profligacy infront of the net. He's getting into scoring positions, he's just wasting all of them.

First world football problems - when you buy Milinkovic-Savic from Lazio, and he plays like he's only heard of this game 'football' through other people. And I was managing City, so it wasn't like he was making passes that no one else could see.

Behind the striker - 6.5 ave
Part of a midfield triangle with Fernandinho and KDB - 6.6 ave
Middle of a midfield 3 - 6.7 ave

That's the best I ever got out of him in 2 seasons (and City won the PL in one of them).

Fix - transfer list, sell. Made a loss of about £20m on him.

According to wikipedia, he's got a brother who's a goalie (and not a very good one). You don't think....it would explain a LOT.

So! Fulham update:

We are 11-4-11 after 26 games, sitting smack at 10th. Losing Mitro didn't turn out to be such an issue, as Aboubakar Kamara has been absolutely obliterating it as our striker, and is 2nd in the league with 13 goals.

We've had a perfectly serviceable league campaign thus far, and the cups have gone nicely too. We got drawn against Grimsby to start the FA Cup (ended up being a 2-1 comeback win, but whatever), and got through our Europa League group with reasonable ease (Fiorentina/Dynamo Kyiv/Levski Sofia), finishing 1st on goal difference. And we've repeated our EFL Cup miracle of last season, this time managing to defeat Norwich (4th in the PL!) 4-4 on away goals to advance to a repeat EFL Cup final, this time against Arsenal.

It's been a great first season in the Premier League, including a 8-0 thrashing of Everton where they had a man sent off and absolutely collapsed.

We are 7 points off Europe... could we?

No, likely not, we've still got to play Arsenal, Wolves, Man U, Tottenham and Liverpool. But we're almost certainly not going down and should finish safely mid-table.

Nice work, Prederick! You'll have them in Champions League in no time!

I got rumored to be connected to the Fulham job in my world, but nothing materialized.

New patch

Football Manager 2020 Match Engine Update 20.2.4 Out Now!
We’re pleased to announce we’ve released Update 20.2.4 which, alongside some performance optimisation, includes an updated match engine containing a number of tweaks, improvements and changes.

As always, this update is save game compatible and the next time you log onto Steam it’ll automatically update. You can see the version number of Football Manager in the bottom left-hand corner of the main menu. If for whatever reason you find the game hasn’t updated, we’d recommend restarting Steam.

20.2.4 Changelist
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- Performance and optimisation improvements

Various Match Engine (version 2039) changes including (but not limited to):

- Improved one-on-one finishing
- Recalculations regarding clear-cut chances
- Tweaks to penalty kick conversion rates
- Lowered frequency of players overrunning ball and losing possession
- Improved realism of player recoveries from slide tackles
- Improved crossing variation and instruction behaviour
- Improved defensive tracking from long balls
- Improved heading accuracy
- Improvements/tweaks to referee behaviour
- Throw-in positional adjustments
- Various other balancing tweaks/improvements

Yes, I spent a bit of time reading the forums about the latest patch. Sorting through the chaff, general feeling seems to be that the match engine is better. I've seen a few complaints about high injuries, but statements like "I played a match and had two injuries!!!" aren't all that helpful in sorting things out.

I'm more interested in the things not listed, like low goalkeeper ratings, stuck coaching attributes, etc. Those things aren't listed.

I'm excited to give it a look tonight. I wonder if I'll need all new players and tactics now.

Godzilla Blitz wrote:

I'm more interested in the things not listed, like low goalkeeper ratings, stuck coaching attributes, etc. Those things aren't listed.

I've seen that gripe in a few places and man oh man, have I not had that problem in my save. I mean, it's almost always been opposition goalkeepers, but I've seen GKs fairly regularly put up 7.2+ ratings.

- Improved heading accuracy

Well here's hoping, because corners have been mostly useless and Mitro hasn't scored a damn thing for me with his head, when he's actually fairly good at that in real life?

Another thing, I thought they'd fixed free kicks this year when FM 20 dropped, but it seems like they're almost impossible now. Although, looking at the stats, they haven't exactly been flying in this season.

I've always wondered if FM should tack a little bit after OOTP, and tie some of their statistical output to, y'know, real-life statistical outputs, but I suspect that'd require completely re-hauling the engine, in-match and out.

Y'know, I do still love FM, but people even with the patch, one-on-ones are completely broken. It genuinely feels like the game artificially makes strikers worse and goalies better in those situations to produce more realistic scores, lest you end up with games ending 6-2.

I did a quickie experiment, and used the Editor to make a PERFECT striker, and to be clear, he will bang them in, but he'll stll miss several chances against keepers that the best strikers just don't miss. Alisson is great, but even the best keepers can only do so much in a one-on-one against he best strikers in the world.

Also, there's still way too much crossing through the air and shots from near impossible angles when they really need to be pulling the ball back towards the penalty spot or the edge of the area. Just stuff they've still gotta fix.

Prederick wrote:

Y'know, I do still love FM, but people even with the patch, one-on-ones are completely broken. It genuinely feels like the game artificially makes strikers worse and goalies better in those situations to produce more realistic scores, lest you end up with games ending 6-2.

I did a quickie experiment, and used the Editor to make a PERFECT striker, and to be clear, he will bang them in, but he'll stll miss several chances against keepers that the best strikers just don't miss. Alisson is great, but even the best keepers can only do so much in a one-on-one against he best strikers in the world.

Also, there's still way too much crossing through the air and shots from near impossible angles when they really need to be pulling the ball back towards the penalty spot or the edge of the area. Just stuff they've still gotta fix.

This is the most I've played FM in a long time, and I definitely agree that certain things feel kind of broken. I don't envy them trying to merge all the formations and tactics and player attributes and playstyles into something that resembles real football over decades of play, though.

Having said that, part of me feels as if they're lacking a certain staff skill set to make this all work, but I'm more than able to have fun with the game, and am definitely happy with my purchase.

Oh, I haven't regretted an FM purchase in ears, but every year generally has one particular thing that's frustrating about it, and watching Ronaldo-caliber players routinely squander one-on-one opportunities is genuinely infuriating.

I'd also like them to introduce a little more granularity to long shots, as while there' s a little more variety this year, you still can tell way too easily if a long shot has any chance of going in just by how quickly it's traveling.

Having spent more time with the newly patched version, I'm not sure that I agree with the contention that one-on-ones are totally broken. In my season of play, I'm getting a conversion rate of (approx) 25-30% on them, probably more than I've seen in a couple of previous FMs. I've even seen a player take it almost round the keeper and score.

As for Pred's theory that the best strikers don't miss...I've seen them miss tap-ins from two yards in real life, and most of them would be ecstatic at scoring every other match.

My current game is Celtic, I've got the best keeper in the division, and I would say that his save rate on one-on-ones is about 70%. I'm not sure whether those stats are kept IRL, but I'd be surprised if a top keeper came in much below that. Unless he's Claudio Bravo.

davet010 wrote:

As for Pred's theory that the best strikers don't miss...I've seen them miss tap-ins from two yards in real life, and most of them would be ecstatic at scoring every other match.

You have a point (see 1:30):

I know it's absolutely Not At All Important right now, but I must admit, I am curious to see how FM 21 handles the impact of coronavirus.

They tweeted out something that the game was meant to be an escape from all this so they weren't planning to make alterations to ... this year's version, I think.

But including Euros in 2021 in FM 21 would be a whole different thing, I'd imagine they'd do that for the new version.

FM seems to be for free now? No idea if it is with a time-limit. But I gave it download nonetheless.

Time limited. It was free for a week last week, and based on the response, FM 20 is now free until April 1.

Prederick wrote:

Time limited. It was free for a week last week, and based on the response, FM 20 is now free until April 1.

Ahh... that would give me just the time to setup training regimes and start scouting going.
I'll pass

I finally bought a new CPU/motherboard/RAM to replace the 10 year-old set I'm currently running.

Really looking forward to playing FM again the next time it goes on sale. OOTP just isn't quite scratching that itch for me.

Roke wrote:

I finally bought a new CPU/motherboard/RAM to replace the 10 year-old set I'm currently running.

Really looking forward to playing FM again the next time it goes on sale. OOTP just isn't quite scratching that itch for me.

Nice! That'll make a huge difference in playability, I'd expect. You can add leagues, increase database size, etc. Fun times. Who are you going to start with?

Godzilla Blitz wrote:
Roke wrote:

I finally bought a new CPU/motherboard/RAM to replace the 10 year-old set I'm currently running.

Really looking forward to playing FM again the next time it goes on sale. OOTP just isn't quite scratching that itch for me.

Nice! That'll make a huge difference in playability, I'd expect. You can add leagues, increase database size, etc. Fun times. Who are you going to start with?

Newcastle, of course.

First thing I'm doing is selling Almiron.

Roke wrote:
Godzilla Blitz wrote:
Roke wrote:

I finally bought a new CPU/motherboard/RAM to replace the 10 year-old set I'm currently running.

Really looking forward to playing FM again the next time it goes on sale. OOTP just isn't quite scratching that itch for me.

Nice! That'll make a huge difference in playability, I'd expect. You can add leagues, increase database size, etc. Fun times. Who are you going to start with?

Newcastle, of course.

First thing I'm doing is selling Almiron.

Most excellent. It'll be like playing a whole new game when you update from 10 years ago.