Help me build my PC 2017 Catch All

bighoppa wrote:

Six months is what I strive for, but it ends up being more like a year. If you have your fans arranged to have positive pressure inside the case (more blowing in than out), it also helps control buildup.

Yeah, I have three fans in the front blowing in, and three on the top and back blowing out.

Maybe flip the back one to blow in. Or just wait six months (you just built this rig, right?), and do a quick inspection to see what the dust buildup looks like.

bighoppa wrote:

Maybe flip the back one to blow in. Or just wait six months (you just built this rig, right?), and do a quick inspection to see what the dust buildup looks like.

The back one is the CPU cooler fan, so I don't think that can be flipped.

And yeah, it was built at the end of October.

Depends on where it is and how it's configured. Mine is small form factor and on the floor. I break out the DataVac and blow it out every 4 to 6 months. My son's is up on a desk and larger. Since building it nearly a year ago there's still barely any dust in it.

Mine is up on a desk and is larger. I guess it'll be okay then. Thanks y'all!

Live in an old house that manufactures its own dust. Also cats. So I clean out my PC case every few weeks. Case choice was the biggest help for me. I have an old Corsair mid tower that I have kept for the last three PC generations. Lots of space inside, wire management and most importantly, removeable fan filters that I can clean with compressed air. I keep the filters clean and also periodically open the case and blow out the CPU, case and GPU fans. Also heat sink on CPU cooler. If you wait too long to do that the dust can stick on fan blades.

I do the case clean in an open and well ventilated area. Helps to have a HEPA filter running nearby.

Early reviews of the Radeon VII are predictable. It trades blows with the RTX 2080 and in some workstation tests it can even best the RTX 2080Ti. It actually runs slightly cooler at load than the RTX series but consumes 30W more power at peak.

Good but not great value and if it was $100 cheaper would be hands down the GPU to get this "generation"

30W at least puts it in the same ZIP code. A Vega 64 could pull nearly 100W more than a 1080ti, depending on application.

According to Ars Technica, the 2080 (the price- and speed-comparable NVidia offering) pulls 215 watts, where the new Radeon 7s pull 300.

A 50% power efficiency disadvantage is kind of dismal.

One article I read says there's an 11GB limit on the amount of RAM games can access. 4k gaming isn't quite there yet, but imagine it will be very soon. Is this something that can be addressed via a driver or API update?

First I've heard about it. Do you remember the source?

Malor wrote:

First I've heard about it. Do you remember the source?

Gizmodo, maybe not the most reliable source.

In theory, this extra memory, coupled with the shrinking die size of the GPU, should allow AMD’s aging architecture to be competitive with Nvidia’s shiny new stuff. AMD told me ahead of my testing that it wouldn’t necessarily beat the RTX 2080 every time, just some of the time. Games, especially the AAA titles that truly tax a high-end GPU, often have soft caps for the amount of GPU memory they can call on. That cap is 11GB, the same amount of memory found in the RTX 2080 Ti which starts at $1000. That means 5GB of the Radeon VII’s memory is wasted on a lot of games.

Sounds like the author is saying the cap is determined by the game.

Yea I would really like to hear an explanation of that 11GB limit. Is that an OS limitation or an API limitation or a limit of a popular middleware engine like Unreal or what? It isn't even a number that makes sense in general computer science terms where limits are usually a power of 2.

My read is just that games are assuming there can't be more than a certain amount of VRAM, with a value that seemed reasonable to that specific team at that specific time. From their wording, it doesn't sound like a limitation in the driver stack or OS.

Looks like the writer just picked a number based on average usage maybe. Here are some number from AMDs site:

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So it looks like the Radeon VII has room to grow. Once the drivers get better optimized and games get designed/patched to take advantage of the extra RAM I bet it will start beating out the 2080 in a few more tests.

It could also be that the difference between 11 and 16 doesn't matter enough to be important. I think it may be in a grey spot that doesn't presently help... more than they need for any specific area of a game, but less than they'd need to just preload every texture the game would ever use. The extra 5 gigs might cut load times a little, because they could maybe cache some textures that get used a lot, but may not matter for framerates or in-play performance.

Later game designs may take advantage of more VRAM, but maybe current ones just won't. And, because so many games are aimed at consoles, and the current consoles have sold so well, we may not see a need for more than about 8GB of VRAM for several years. I remember suggesting, when the consoles first shipped, that 8GB video cards would probably last a lot longer, and I think that's still holding true. I don't see, at present, much benefit to going past that.

Will we? It really depends, I suppose, on how relatively large the PC market still is, and whether devs think they can get a sales advantage by shipping monster-texture versions on that platform. I only remember that happening once or twice so far.

I just finally noticed, for the first time, an actual limitation from the 3.5G of VRAM I have on my 970. It's more than fast enough to drive Total War Warhammer 1, even at 2560x1600. (That part was a pleasant surprise, I was expecting only 1080p with good frame rates.) The game complains, however, if I try to do Ultra textures, even though it recommends them by default. Seems okay at High so far, though, and I can't really see the difference.

Hi all,
I'm looking at building a new PC this month. Does anyone mind checking over my build? This will be the first build I plan to overclock the CPU along with using a M.2 SSD. The primary game I play is IRacing which is fairly CPU dependent. Also I would like to be ready for next generation VR headsets but I assume this setup to be fine. Any pointers would be great.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MGLs7W

Thanks

WizKid wrote:

It's time for me to build a new computer as my CFO has approved my budget. I'm upgrading from an Intel 2500k(over clocked to 4.4ish), 8 gigs of ram, and a Nvida 970. My current monitor is an ancient Dell SE198WFP (1440 x 900). I'm trying to keep the build around $2000, with the goal of doing 4k gaming, the GPU is a stand in for the Radeon 7.
Any thoughts?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($59.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - TUF X470-PLUS GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard ($127.84 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team - Night Hawk RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($134.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB Black Video Card ($698.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair - Crystal 460X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($98.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: LG - 27UD58-B 27.0" 3840x2160 60 Hz Monitor ($299.00 @ B&H)
Total: $1949.36
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-13 21:48 EST-0500

WizKid did you end up building this yet? Curious how it’s going for you.

muraii wrote:
WizKid wrote:

It's time for me to build a new computer as my CFO has approved my budget. I'm upgrading from an Intel 2500k(over clocked to 4.4ish), 8 gigs of ram, and a Nvida 970. My current monitor is an ancient Dell SE198WFP (1440 x 900). I'm trying to keep the build around $2000, with the goal of doing 4k gaming, the GPU is a stand in for the Radeon 7.
Any thoughts?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML240L RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($59.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus - TUF X470-PLUS GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard ($127.84 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team - Night Hawk RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($134.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB Black Video Card ($698.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair - Crystal 460X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($98.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: LG - 27UD58-B 27.0" 3840x2160 60 Hz Monitor ($299.00 @ B&H)
Total: $1949.36
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-13 21:48 EST-0500

WizKid did you end up building this yet? Curious how it’s going for you.

I did end up building this with some slight changes. I dropped the Cooler, opting to use the stock cooler and put the money towards the GPU and splurged for the EVGA 2080 XC Ultra (this thing is a beast). The SSD ended up being from TEAM due to the listed one being out of stock, and the PSU ended up being a Seasonic 650 W 80+ Platium (was on sale).

Build went great, all the cables are neatly hidden, and best of all, it booted up the first time with no errors.

Performance wise it's been great running at 4k with only a few adjustments here and there. I'm still getting use to a 27" monitor as I jumped up from my trusty 19" Dell (1440 x 900).

Obliged.

So I got my new monitor and plug in the display port cable no response. I try the other slots on the graphics card no response. I try the HDMI and it works fine. I am wondering if the cord that came with it is busted. On one hand I love PC gaming, on the other dumb stuff like this makes me glad I own consoles too.

I consider it unlikely that all three of the Display ports on the card are not working and this would not be the first time a replacing a cord helped me. I just hope it is that simple.

RROD, never forget!

Distantsound wrote:

Hi all,
I'm looking at building a new PC this month. Does anyone mind checking over my build? This will be the first build I plan to overclock the CPU along with using a M.2 SSD. The primary game I play is IRacing which is fairly CPU dependent. Also I would like to be ready for next generation VR headsets but I assume this setup to be fine. Any pointers would be great.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MGLs7W

Thanks

Seems like a solid start.
What resolution is your monitor, are you using an old one or upgrading?
As a new build don't forget that you'll need to purchase a Windows 10 key ( or acquire other OS of choice).
Have you considered going AMD for the CPU? The extra cores you can get from AMD could be of benefit. Double check some benchmarks, but if iRacing has good multi-threading support you might be better off with an AMD 2700(x) or 2600(x).
That SSD is only 500 GB, will you be using a second drive? As well 1 TB SSD drives can be found for around the same price as the one you listed.

Thanks for the reply WizKid.

I'll be using old triple monitors and have windows 10. I'm pretty set in the Intel processor, and I also think Iracing isnt optimized for multiple cores. The base game is over 10 years old. I also have a spare 3tb mechanical drive for extra storage.

fangblackbone wrote:

RROD, never forget!

I wish I could forget that. I gave up on the third one.

Stealthpizza wrote:

So I got my new monitor and plug in the display port cable no response. I try the other slots on the graphics card no response. I try the HDMI and it works fine. I am wondering if the cord that came with it is busted. On one hand I love PC gaming, on the other dumb stuff like this makes me glad I own consoles too.

I consider it unlikely that all three of the Display ports on the card are not working and this would not be the first time a replacing a cord helped me. I just hope it is that simple.

I've had not one but two bad Displayport cables. They seem to be finicky. Might be worth a shot before you start looking at things that are significantly more hassle or more money.

I have the means now to start a build. I've researched some and skimmed this thread, as usual. I'm curious about thoughts here before I start making purchases.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI - B450 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($110.41 @ B&H)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($147.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PowerColor - Radeon RX 580 8 GB Video Card ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair - 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($98.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: LG - 24MP59G-P 23.8" 1920x1080 75 Hz Monitor ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Monitor: LG - 24MP59G-P 23.8" 1920x1080 75 Hz Monitor ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1290.12
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-02-11 18:54 EST-0500

Thin_J wrote:
Stealthpizza wrote:

So I got my new monitor and plug in the display port cable no response. I try the other slots on the graphics card no response. I try the HDMI and it works fine. I am wondering if the cord that came with it is busted. On one hand I love PC gaming, on the other dumb stuff like this makes me glad I own consoles too.

I consider it unlikely that all three of the Display ports on the card are not working and this would not be the first time a replacing a cord helped me. I just hope it is that simple.

I've had not one but two bad Displayport cables. They seem to be finicky. Might be worth a shot before you start looking at things that are significantly more hassle or more money.

New cable arrived and the monitor lives!

I love these types of solutions.

Need some help with a NAS unit If you all wouldn't mind helping out with this.

First is application. My wife is starting her own law firm here in PA. She is getting 3 workstations for her, her firm partner, and her paralegal/ legal secretary. NAS needs to handle backup primarily, file hosting for collaborative access, hosting VM's may be something they do in the future but not needed.

Currently I am looking at a Synology DS718+. I like this because of the Synology software suite, it can be expanded with a 5 Bay unit down the line, direct backup of office 365. I am wanting to pair this with 2 WD Reds, 4tb for a raid 1 setup.

Options;
1: I can switch out the reds for red pros, I am thinking its not needed though.
2: I could use the 918+. It would offer the ability to expand quicker as it would have a total of 4 bays, 2 of which would be empty to begin with. Also the 918 offers the ability to use a NVMe drive for cache purposes.

So what do you much more knowledgeable people think? I will say I dont really want to build my own solution since this is for a business.

Igneus wrote:

Need some help with a NAS unit If you all wouldn't mind helping out with this.

First is application. My wife is starting her own law firm here in PA. She is getting 3 workstations for her, her firm partner, and her paralegal/ legal secretary. NAS needs to handle backup primarily, file hosting for collaborative access, hosting VM's may be something they do in the future but not needed.

Currently I am looking at a Synology DS718+. I like this because of the Synology software suite, it can be expanded with a 5 Bay unit down the line, direct backup of office 365. I am wanting to pair this with 2 WD Reds, 4tb for a raid 1 setup.

Options;
1: I can switch out the reds for red pros, I am thinking its not needed though.
2: I could use the 918+. It would offer the ability to expand quicker as it would have a total of 4 bays, 2 of which would be empty to begin with. Also the 918 offers the ability to use a NVMe drive for cache purposes.

So what do you much more knowledgeable people think? I will say I dont really want to build my own solution since this is for a business.

I would go with the 4 bay and the plain red drives or Seagate Ironwolf drives. Alternately the two bay with larger drives might be good. Either that or a OneDrive business account with client side encryption on the workstations.