[Discussion] Propaganda, Disinformation and Reality

We as a nation are supremely naive about education, participation in policy-making as well as politics, and unbelievably naive about how we handle crackpot messaging (which is to say, if it's interesting, we love it, and embrace it rather than fear it). I'm becoming convinced that this kind of reshuffling of social and political believes through propaganda is the biggest threat we face today and in the near future. Everyone forgets that one of the big elements of modern dystopias is thought control, and one of the effects of that can be chaos and disorganization to the benefit of others outside the society. That's what we are facing, and we are as children in our deliberately neglected ability to distinguish fake from real. This is where the Right's careful crafting of anti-science and anti-logic and "fact-neutral" education and news and opinion channels will come back to thrash us all. They have encouraged fully half our population to destroy their filters and rely solely on party affiliation and it's associated tags (religious belief, particular economic policies, etc.) to validate information. Since those have nothing to do with whether the information is *true* - based in the real world and accurate and contextually meaningful - they provide absolutely nothing to stop manipulative memes and messages from wreaking havoc.

If you've lost politics you attack thru culture and hope that shifts the politics.

Or, if you are a different country, you just stir up confusion and disrupt things.

A few ideas I have floating in my head about this:

  • Most folks think they're being wise/clever in their beliefs, event when they're way off.
  • I think the predominant message coming out of psych research indicates that we're wired for this, which makes me wonder what was keeping things in check before—or if the situation was previously so different.
wordsmythe wrote:
  • I think the predominant message coming out of psych research indicates that we're wired for this, which makes me wonder what was keeping things in check before—or if the situation was previously so different.

I suspect the proliferation of Twitter/Facebook, the ability to instantly share/spread that propaganda, and never have a need to double check sources before the Next Big Thing pops is a pretty big cause of that. We may have always been wired for it, but the chance for Random Person #56796 to pop out an blog/tweet that goes viral across the globe has been small.

One thing that's really worrisome here becomes the 'team' mentality. The link I posted is actually true, and it points out the extreme injustice and racism in the War on Drugs. It's built right in, and has been from the very beginning.

My fear, here, is that people will start backing the government reflexively, even when it's wrong, because they know that the Russians are trying to damage us. The other team is pointing out the War on Drugs is bad, so that means the War on Drugs must be good.

I think that kind of damage would be much worse; we become incapable of change if the other team points out that we're screwing things up.

wordsmythe wrote:

I think the predominant message coming out of psych research indicates that we're wired for this, which makes me wonder what was keeping things in check before—or if the situation was previously so different.

Isolation, distance and the homogenous nature of pre-internet (or mass media if you want to apply a deeper RCA) community.

There are so many axes along which to choose a side now and so little guidance or critical thought applied to the process of doing so that I think we retreat to the lowest comfortable state of decision-making. What this means is people who have not been exposed to higher processes and methodologies are completely open to the strongest strain of manipulation and subversion they encounter.

The way to fix it? Education, which is why the apparatus is so keen on dismantling the institution.

"Structured processes and methodologies" might be a better term, DC. People get riled when you tell them their thinking process is "lower"...

Interesting article on some of the super misleading ways various partisan media groups have covered the DC baseball shootings. What Alex Jones did is particularly heinous.

Fair call Ro

This is my number one concern in the realm of our current politics and I am at a loss as to how I can personally combat it. This may sound cheesy but I really worry about my family members who have fully invested themselves into what I see as misinformation and a complete culture of hating the Other. My failing is that I don't have the time (and if I am being honest, the patience) to chase every single erroneous claim they make down to show them they are being misled. I always try to put myself in the shoes of others so I can try to make my position seem as if I came around to a way of thinking based on the facts in the hopes they may see the path also. It kind of works but only one little bit at a time and then they revert back to the Buttery Males. Whoever coined Buttery Males has my thanks ... it's the simple things that make me happy.

PissedYeti wrote:

My failing is that I don't have the time (and if I am being honest, the patience) to chase every single erroneous claim they make down to show them they are being misled.

What I find most frustrating is that for every one of the 10 lies proven wrong they still believe the source about the other 9! It is like they don't learn that breitbart, inforwars, fox, etc are propaganda and are lying.

Information Wars: A Window into the Alternative Media Ecosystem
Conspiracy Theories, Muddled Thinking, and Political Disinformation
(Kate Starbird, Medium, 2017-03-14)

For more than three years, my lab at the University of Washington has conducted research looking at how people spread rumors online during crisis events. We have looked at natural disasters like earthquakes and hurricanes as well as man-made events such as mass shootings and terrorist attacks. Due to the public availability of data, we focused primarily on Twitter — but we also used data collected there (tweets) to expose broader activity in the surrounding media ecosystem.

Over time, we noted that a similar kind of rumor kept showing up, over and over again, after each of the man-made crisis events — a conspiracy theory or “alternative narrative” of the event that claimed it either didn’t happen or that it was perpetrated by someone other than the current suspects.

We first encountered this type of rumor while studying the Boston Marathon bombings in 2013. We noticed a large number of tweets (>4000) claiming that the bombings were a “false flag” perpetrated by U.S. Navy Seals. The initial spread of this rumor involved a “cascade” of tweets linking to an article on the InfoWars website. At the time, our researchers did not know what InfoWars was, but the significance of that connection became clear over time.

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It's just like looking into cybersecurity. Once you start to learn what is actually happening out there right now, it's hard to sleep well again.

Robear wrote:

It's just like looking into cybersecurity. Once you start to learn what is actually happening out there right now, it's hard to sleep well again.

Yup. I don't think it'd be at all hard to find a significant number of people who believe that the killer in Charlottesville (if not, the entirety of the Far-Right groups) were actually Soros-funded leftists, or that BLM blocked authorities from helping victims during Hurricane Harvey.

I've seen both stories being bandied about right-wing social media with abandon, and it really underlines the "living in different realities" feeling, and whether or not a society can function that way.

It can't function that way, once the confusion starts to affect policy-making. Or even just convinces enough people that the government is "the enemy".