[News] Trump, Russia, and the 2016 Election

All news related to Donald Trump's alleged ties to Russia and to the Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election. New details should be cited to reputable sources.

Gremlin wrote:

Maybe it's been too long since politicians dealt with the rule of law actually punishing them. Instead, they followed the polite assumption that breaking norms leads to resignations.

I think it's this. There weren't consequences for the Iraq War. There weren't consequences for the financial collapse. Obama, in the interest of tacking to the center and moving on to his mandate, allowed record levels of criminal behavior to go unpunished.

Hundreds of thousands of people directly died because of Bush's lie. Millions of people were displaced, raped or killed when ISIS filled the vacuum we created.

The world economy was thrown into peril and the banks were given a handout.

The reason #nothingmatters is because we spent 8 years fawning over Obama as a personality instead of insisting he uphold the rule of law. Now we don't have the rule of law as a result.

Yeah, as I keep saying: in 2008, we deployed trillions of dollars to explicitly prevent anything from changing, to make damn sure that no lessons were learned and nobody was punished. Most of the worst pathological behaviors were rewarded. So we're doing all that same sh*t still, and it's going to blow up again. I don't yet know where or how, but privatized profit with socialized risk has become a staple of the American economy.

This is a lot of why I disliked Hillary so much, because we'd just get more of the same. Yeah, better than Trump, but Mickey Mouse would be better than Trump.

Malor wrote:

eah, better than Trump, but Mickey Mouse would be better than Trump.

He He How about healthcare for all?! - Mickey

Veering off topic. Stay on target.

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Certis wrote:

Veering off topic. Stay on target.

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Ahem...

Porkins didn't say that. It was Gold Five.

They came from.... behind.

Trump Goes All In on the 'Collusion Is Normal' Defense

Most politicians would have gone to a meeting like the one Don jr attended in order to get info on an opponent. That's politics!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 17, 2017

[snip]

The new tactic was to normalize collusion, arguing that in fact colluding with a foreign government in such a situation was neither nefarious nor illegal, and was in fact standard operating procedure. Jeanine Pirro, a Fox News host who has emerged as one of Trump’s most dogged defenders, even said, “If the devil called me and said he wanted to set up a meeting to give me opposition research on my opponent, I’d be on the first trolley to hell to get it.”

Just marching right on down my list, right on schedule.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

The next lines of argument from Trump's defenders are going to be:

  • There wasn't collusion because nothing came of this meeting.
  • There was collusion, but this kind of thing is normal.
  • There was collusion, but this kind of thing isn't illegal.
  • There was collusion, but Trump himself didn't know about it.

There's been this steady progress in the arguments on two fronts: that collusion didn't happen; happened but wasn't intentional; happened but didn't involve important people in the campaign, etc. And simultaneously, that collusion is common; isn't common but isn't unethical; is unethical but isn't illegal; is illegal but isn't a "major" crime; etc. We've been slowly sliding from one end of that spectrum to the other. I don't know where it ends. That depends on what the country is willing to tolerate.

I don't think I said so back then, but I thought that was probably true, and well... yep, you called it. Wonder how long it'll take to get to the next step?

Isn't the third one used a lot already.
http://nordic.businessinsider.com/co...
Though they are still clinging to an "If there was collusion, it isnt a crime", so maybe not entirely there yet.

To be fair, they keep flipping 3 and 4.

Shadout wrote:

Isn't the third one used a lot already.
http://nordic.businessinsider.com/co...
Though they are still clinging to an "If there was collusion, it isnt a crime", so maybe not entirely there yet.

Yeah, I'm looking more for an acknowledgement of collision but an insistence that it's not illegal.

Likewise, the "Trump didn't know" argument is after they've conceded the illegality of it.

It's a progression from one argument to the next as the previous is disproven.

Only 45% of Republicans believe Trump Jr. had a meeting with the Russians... a meeting he has publicly admitted he took and published his own evidence of.

...

Demosthenes wrote:

Only 45% of Republicans believe Trump Jr. had a meeting with the Russians... a meeting he has publicly admitted he took and published his own evidence of.

What the ever-living f*ck?

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Some crazy polls in there (though it would be interesting to see exactly how the questions were worded).
I would see a big difference in asking if Trump Jr. met with a Russian vs. meeting the Russians.
Am I totally wrong in thinking 'the Russians' indicates Russian government officials, and not merely Russian citizens? (everything certainly points toward both being true in the meeting, but it would be far easier to feint ignorance toward a meeting with someone working for the Russian government, and Jr. has afaik not admitted that the people he met with were working for the Russian government).

"44% of Trump voters say that Russia wanted Hillary Clinton to win the election, 26% say it wanted Trump to"
Putin has no problem admitting that he preferred Trump, even if we ignore any active influence.

I know, polls like these are fairly meaningless, but...
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I mean, seriously, even if you would vote for Trump after he had shot someone, at least have the decency to lie in the poll

This however is just sad:

2020 GE:
Biden 54%
Trump 39%
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Sanders 52%
Trump 39%
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Warren 49%
Trump 42%
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Booker 45%
Trump 40%
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Harris 41%
Trump 40%

Pretty sure they are the same numbers he had during the election campaign.

Demosthenes wrote:

Only 45% of Republicans believe Trump Jr. had a meeting with the Russians... a meeting he has publicly admitted he took and published his own evidence of.

OHMERGERD! FERRK NEWWZZZZ!

Eighth man in Trump Tower meeting was linked to money laundering: Irakly Kaveladze, who met with Trump Jr. and Kushner, is linked to a Kremlin-friendly Russian oligarch through a network of shell companies.

The eighth named attendee at a June 2016 Trump Tower meeting between top Trump associates and a politically-connected Russian lawyer is a business associate of a top Moscow oligarch and was once identified as a key figure in a Congressional money laundering probe.

Irakly Kaveladze, until now the mysterious “eighth man” in the room, attended the meeting on behalf of Aras Agalarov, a billionaire real estate magnate with ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin and a Trump family friend. A lawyer for Agalarov has confirmed Kaveladze’s attendance to other news outlets, though he did not respond to requests for comment from POLITICO.

Feinstein: Mueller says Senate Judiciary can interview Trump Jr., Manafort

Special counsel Robert Mueller has given the Senate Judiciary Committee the green light to publicly interview Donald Trump Jr. and former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, the panel’s top Democrat, Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s (Calif.), said Tuesday.

It is unclear whether either potential witness will accept an invitation, though both have said they are willing to cooperate with investigators looking into Russian meddling in the presidential election and possible ties between the Trump campaign and Moscow.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) has indicated he is willing to subpoena both men if necessary.

The panel has been sparring with the Senate Intelligence Committee over which committee will get first crack at Trump Jr. after he published emails detailing planning for a 2016 meeting with a Russian lawyer offering political dirt on then-Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.
The OK from Mueller gives the Judiciary Committee the latitude to proceed with its probe into the meeting, which took place on June 9, 2016, at Trump Tower in New York.

At lunch I saw that Mueller confirmed the 8th person. So that also means that he's at least investigating Trumps, if not Donald himself.

Stele wrote:

At lunch I saw that Mueller confirmed the 8th person. So that also means that he's at least investigating Trumps, if not Donald himself.

The 8th being someone with ties to money laundering makes sense as to why they've been hiring those types of lawyers as well. The long held rumors of money laundering via Trump properties have always made quite a bit of sense.

Ian Bremmer: Trump, Putin held second informal meeting at G-20

President Trump held a second, informal meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin on the sidelines of the Group of 20 summit in Hamburg earlier this month, according to Ian Bremmer, the president of the international consulting firm Eurasia Group.

The meeting took place during the G-20 heads of state dinner, according to Bremmer, hours after Trump's formal bilateral sit-down with Putin.

In that conversation, Trump spoke with the Russian leader for roughly an hour, joined only by Putin's translator. The meeting had previously gone without mention by the White House.

Trump's interactions with Putin are the subject of particularly intense scrutiny in the U.S., because of the ongoing special counsel and congressional investigations into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Moscow.

That Trump was not joined in the conversation by his own translator is a breach of national security protocol, Bremmer noted, though one that the president likely would not know about.

Trump had a second, secret hour-long meeting with Putin at the G20 Summit. The meeting was only with Putin and Putin's translator which is a breach of national security protocols.

The Hill wrote:

President Trump held a second, informal meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin on the sidelines of the Group of 20 summit in Hamburg earlier this month, according to Ian Bremmer, the president of the international consulting firm Eurasia Group.

The meeting took place during the G-20 heads of state dinner, according to Bremmer, hours after Trump's formal bilateral sit-down with Putin.

In that conversation, Trump spoke with the Russian leader for roughly an hour, joined only by Putin's translator. The meeting had previously gone without mention by the White House.

Trump's interactions with Putin are the subject of particularly intense scrutiny in the U.S., because of the ongoing special counsel and congressional investigations into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Moscow.

That Trump was not joined in the conversation by his own translator is a breach of national security protocol, Bremmer noted, though one that the president likely would not know about.

Trump and Putin met for a formal discussion during the G-20 summit — a meeting that was scheduled to last 30 minutes but exceeded two hours.

Bremmer said in an interview with Bloomberg's Charlie Rose that the rapport that Trump established with Putin during the summit is "clearly his best personal relationship" with a G-20 leader.

EDIT: Grelimhausered

"That Trump was not joined in the conversation by his own translator is a breach of national security protocol, Bremmer noted, though one that the president likely would not know about."

I am really sick and f*cking tired of seeing that excuse.

BadKen wrote:

"That Trump was not joined in the conversation by his own translator is a breach of national security protocol, Bremmer noted, though one that the president likely would not know about."

I am really sick and f*cking tired of seeing that excuse.

I didn't know that the gold codes would fire them right away, I'm new at this!

vaphiz wrote:
BadKen wrote:

"That Trump was not joined in the conversation by his own translator is a breach of national security protocol, Bremmer noted, though one that the president likely would not know about."

I am really sick and f*cking tired of seeing that excuse.

I didn't know that the gold codes would fire them right away, I'm new at this!

Nobody knew global thermonuclear war could be so complicated