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Yes.

I am watching again because that is not the impression I got but I was listening with half an ear.

2:17 - the evidence for weakening protection is less that convincing. Most of the studies have point to very minimal change, if any....

5:19 - it is not the same decision as the initial vaccination. for many the still is in flux and resources may be better spend elsewhere.

His point is that resources used to create boosters should probably be reallocated to under-vaccinated countries at this point. J&J booster is recommended. Everything else - not so much.

He has a point, but as it is, this country is setting up for boosters and that's not changing, sooo.... I got mine.

farley3k wrote:

I am watching again because that is not the impression I got but I was listening with half an ear.

2:17 - the evidence for weakening protection is less that convincing. Most of the studies have point to very minimal change, if any....

5:19 - it is not the same decision as the initial vaccination. for many the still is in flux and resources may be better spend elsewhere.

Idk. Should I trust the recommendation of the 18 doctors specializing in infectious diseases on the FDA's Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee and the 15 doctors also specializing in infectious diseases on the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices or should I trust a pediatrician with a YouTube channel? It's a tough call.

I'll give you the tldr on this:

Spoiler:

Rich people suck.

This video is infuriating on one specific level.

Spoiler:

The conservative wing of one side isn’t living up to its values.

The other side’s values are trash.

These are both the same, right?

We keep telling people the Democratic elite are too conservative.

It's the NYT, what do you expect?

Also, everyone knows that red states bus homeless people to blue states, right? So this is a little more complex than this video makes it out to be.

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OG_slinger wrote:
farley3k wrote:

I am watching again because that is not the impression I got but I was listening with half an ear.

2:17 - the evidence for weakening protection is less that convincing. Most of the studies have point to very minimal change, if any....

5:19 - it is not the same decision as the initial vaccination. for many the still is in flux and resources may be better spend elsewhere.

Idk. Should I trust the recommendation of the 18 doctors specializing in infectious diseases on the FDA's Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee and the 15 doctors also specializing in infectious diseases on the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices or should I trust a pediatrician with a YouTube channel? It's a tough call.

He doesn't tell people not to get the booster as far as I noticed; he just provides more information and context for the decision, and he does so pretty quickly and efficiently. Your snark seems to indicate that you don't like his credentials, but it's worth noting that he's saying basically the same thing as the WHO, so the view he presents is also backed up by a big panel of experts.

WHO, with support of the Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) on Immunization and its COVID-19 Vaccines Working Group wrote:

Introducing booster doses should be firmly evidence-driven and targeted to the population groups in greatest need. The rationale for implementing booster doses should be guided by evidence on waning vaccine effectiveness, in particular a decline in protection against severe disease in the general population and in high-risk populations, or due to a circulating VoC. To date, the evidence remains limited and still inconclusive on any widespread need for booster doses following a primary vaccination series.

In the context of ongoing global vaccine supply constraints, broad-based administration of booster doses risks exacerbating inequities in vaccine access by driving up demand and diverting supply while priority populations in some countries, or in subnational settings, have not yet received a primary vaccination series. The focus remains on urgently increasing global vaccination coverage with the primary series driven by the objective to protect against severe disease.

There are probably good reasons for differences in the recommendations of the WHO and CDC/FDA. I am certain that they are both making recommendations in good faith, and I suspect that a big part of the difference is that the CDC/FDA are less inclined to take a global view of the situation, and more inclined to prioritize a marginal benefit to the USA than a large benefit to people elsewhere.

There is important nuance in this issue, and it shouldn't be dismissed because he is just a pediatrician with a YouTube channel. Granted, he's not an immunologist, virologist, or epidemiologist, but that doesn't mean he's giving bad information. What he's saying is supported by people with those specialties who don't happen to have YouTube channels.

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*I like her, wow.