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Previous incarnations of Cleveland/P&C/D&D have had an image thread, to handle political cartoons and other image-based stuff that doesn't belong in the general post-a-picture threads.

If any of them spawn an extended discussion, please spawn it off into its own thread. Replies to non-picture replies should take the form of a link pointing to a post on a different discussion thread.

And I shouldn't have to say it, but the images still need to abide by the rules.

I wonder where that idea came from?


"Democrats are scaring women by playing tapes of what we are saying and showing evidence of what we are doing!"






They posted the wrong image.


Easy mistake



farley3k wrote:


From what I've observed, many Americans don't want to pay for health insurance either. OK, that's fine.

But then they still feel angrily entitled to medical care when something happens to them and they need it and can't afford it. Usually it's accompanied by some racist sentiment that the government is throwing all its money away at illegal immigrants, foreign aid, and welfare queens and should instead be paying for their own disability benefits and medical care.

That smile will spawn a thousand jokes. but I remember clearly trump looking like an idiot several times in 2016 and all the jokes and look at the sh*t storm it sill is today. Just because he looks stupid doesn't mean he can't destroy lots of our country.





farley3k wrote:


Uh, wat?

I ain't buyin what Mr. Disruptive is shovelin.

Freedom from laws? WTF, dude.

Conversely, I couldn't agree with him more.

2nd Amendment fans are the poster boys for this - "you can't stop me from packing heat at a little league game, it's infringing my rights and is downright unamerican."

Remember people getting pissed that Obamacare FORCED them to have health coverage? "You can't tell me what to do, if I want to die from easily treatable diseases, I WILL"

Those people are not a majority of Americans. Nor does their world view reflect the historical basis of American freedom.

Just another way, I suppose, that the profit-driven press is pounding this country into the dirt. Outraged idiots get outsized exposure.

They may not be a majority, but they are good examples of the " freedom from" mindset that permeates every level of this country.

To be honest, I think federalism is a big part of that too. Don't want to have to have a unionized workforce? Right-to-work states can give you freedom from that! The patchwork of regulation and laws that arise out of federalism encourages that mindset, and provide a fertile ground for races-to-the-bottom.

I would argue that, from the point of view of this Canadian, the average US mindset is "F***you, I got mine"

mudbunny wrote:

I would argue that, from the point of view of this Canadian, the average US mindset is "F***you, I got mine"

That jives with the point of view of the people I grew up around for the most part.

There are reasons I rarely visit with my bio-family and even more rarely visit with my extended bio-family.

Yeah I think my mom moved her side of the family's holiday gathering so that I could attend this year. But like I haven't missed it the last 10 years. I don't need to see those people. Prefer to keep my Christmas season merry.


mudbunny wrote:

I would argue that, from the point of view of this Canadian, the average US mindset is "F***you, I got mine"

Which is, of course, freedom from compassion.


So f*cking short sighted. Kids who do well in school grow up to get citizens who work good jobs, commit less crime, and generally raise the standard of living for their communities.


Comments from Reddit that say it better than I can.

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58 min. ago
Is that [kids going hungry] the problem of the state of North Dakota?

YES The state exists to serve the interests of the people. If the state is incapable of ensuring hungry children are fed then why does it exist?

If our political system cannot perform it's only function then we should raze it to the ground and build a new one that is fit for purpose.

31 min. ago
They require children to go to school, they will send truancy officers to the home to bring kids to school. Once they get to school they ask them why they didn’t pack a lunch. Going to school is compulsory, but they can starve you while you are there. Even people in prison get three meals a day, terrible as the food may be.
30 min. ago
Plus the knock on costs to the whole of society over the kid's lifetime far exceeds the cost of ensuring they have one hot meal a day: lower academic achievements, worse job prospects, worse health prospects, and a greater chance to turn to drugs and crime, or even just drop out of school entirely in order to get a job to help provide for their family.

Remember kids, the cruelty of the system is intentional, not a byproduct.

33 min. ago
Why is paying state senator Mike Wobbema’s salary the problem of the people?
44 min. ago
As long as education is compulsory and children have to be present then yes, that is the problem of the state.

I have an idea. Let's design a system where kids need to be somewhere 8+ hours a day (counting transport) and not feed them.

That seems like a great idea.

This just passed in MN and took effect this school year. We used to have a 'free and reduced lunch' program, that required families to apply and be evaluated, in addition to any other programs they might already by approved for. More onerous bureaucracy for families already struggling to juggle their other challenges.

Since its inception, the number of breakfasts and lunches we've served has gone up substantially since last year. That made it obvious that many families were falling through the cracks.

Captain Obvious take: Hungry kids don't learn as well.

This happened back in March. But wait! There's more!

Wikipedia wrote:

Wobbema was again criticized for voting, less than two weeks later, to increase meal reimbursements for North Dakota lawmakers by nearly 30 percent.

Trump Spokesperson: Trump's not a Fascist Authoritarian! Also Trump Spokesperson: If you say something Trump doesn't like, if he gets into office, he'll have you offed.



farley3k wrote:

Trump Spokesperson: Trump's not a Fascist Authoritarian! Also Trump Spokesperson: If you say something Trump doesn't like, if he gets into office, he'll have you offed.

We're so far gone into Poe's Law territory that I have no idea whether this is real or not.

But Axios verifies it, with a caveat by the spokesperson, who maybe realized how awful the earlier statement sounded:


Why it matters: Some historians have compared Trump's dehumanizing language — including his claim that undocumented immigrants are "poisoning the blood of our country" — to the rhetoric of fascist dictators like Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini.
• "[T]o call your opponent vermin, to dehumanize them, is to not only open the door, but to walk through the door toward the most ghastly kinds of crimes," presidential historian Jon Meacham said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."
• "[T]hose who try to make that ridiculous assertion are clearly snowflakes grasping for anything because they are suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome and their entire existence will be crushed when President Trump returns to the White House," Trump campaign spokesman Steven Cheung told the Post in a statement.
• Cheung later said he was referencing their "sad, miserable existence" instead of their "entire existence," the Post noted.

Sooo... not their "entire" existence, just their "miserable" existence. Mmkay.

No, they’re crushing the miserable part of their existence, leaving them only happiness and joy! Right? Right?