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Previous incarnations of Cleveland/P&C/D&D have had an image thread, to handle political cartoons and other image-based stuff that doesn't belong in the general post-a-picture threads.

If any of them spawn an extended discussion, please spawn it off into its own thread. Replies to non-picture replies should take the form of a link pointing to a post on a different discussion thread.

And I shouldn't have to say it, but the images still need to abide by the rules.

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This strikes me as a "too good to be true" type of post.

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farley3k wrote:

This strikes me as a "too good to be true" type of post.
*Hong Kong mask wearing comments*

In what way? That you don't believe only 6 deaths, or that virtually everybody wears masks?

(I know this wasn't your intent, but it struck me as sort of, "This can't be true, so why should we wear masks?" Again, I know that's not what you meant.)

Chumpy_McChump wrote:
farley3k wrote:

This strikes me as a "too good to be true" type of post.
*Hong Kong mask wearing comments*

In what way? That you don't believe only 6 deaths, or that virtually everybody wears masks?

(I know this wasn't your intent, but it struck me as sort of, "This can't be true, so why should we wear masks?" Again, I know that's not what you meant.)

Fake news I'm afraid - it's now 7 deaths.

Chumpy_McChump wrote:
farley3k wrote:

This strikes me as a "too good to be true" type of post.
*Hong Kong mask wearing comments*

In what way? That you don't believe only 6 deaths, or that virtually everybody wears masks?

(I know this wasn't your intent, but it struck me as sort of, "This can't be true, so why should we wear masks?" Again, I know that's not what you meant.)

I find it hard to believe that wearing masks, even a 100% in public, could stop the disease. I assume these people don't wear at home, I assume they likewise go to friends houses and some percentage wouldn't wear then so I just believe the disease would have better spread.

Maybe I am giving the disease too much credit but it just feels too good to be true.

farley3k wrote:

I find it hard to believe that wearing masks, even a 100% in public, could stop the disease. I assume these people don't wear at home, I assume they likewise go to friends houses and some percentage wouldn't wear then so I just believe the disease would have better spread.

Maybe I am giving the disease too much credit but it just feels too good to be true.

Well what's your alternative explanation for Hong Kong's low rates?

farley3k wrote:
Chumpy_McChump wrote:
farley3k wrote:

This strikes me as a "too good to be true" type of post.
*Hong Kong mask wearing comments*

In what way? That you don't believe only 6 deaths, or that virtually everybody wears masks?

(I know this wasn't your intent, but it struck me as sort of, "This can't be true, so why should we wear masks?" Again, I know that's not what you meant.)

I find it hard to believe that wearing masks, even a 100% in public, could stop the disease. I assume these people don't wear at home, I assume they likewise go to friends houses and some percentage wouldn't wear then so I just believe the disease would have better spread.

Maybe I am giving the disease too much credit but it just feels too good to be true.

People in Asia are so used to wearing masks that forgetting to wear one would almost be like forgetting to put underwear on. You're projecting a social stigma/awkwardness to wearing them that simply doesn't exist in most of those countries.

I don't know. I admit. It just feels too simple. I hope to be wrong but it just feels so easy.

It makes me want to throttle every person I see at the store these days without a mask.

farley3k wrote:

I don't know. I admit. It just feels too simple. I hope to be wrong but it just feels so easy.

It makes me want to throttle every person I see at the store these days without a mask.

If we've learned anything from the last few years, it should be to second, third and fourth-guess our intuitions.

January 20th, 2021

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Beautiful.

Chairman_Mao wrote:

People in Asia are so used to wearing masks that forgetting to wear one would almost be like forgetting to put underwear on.

Not sure I'd go that far (my friends and colleagues definitely forget their mask more than their underwear), but pretty close.

The big thing is that in Asia masks were common and had zero or negative stigma even before the virus arrived, so the pandemic response over here is mainly just people being more consistent about something they already did at least occasionally.

One other thing that gets overlooked is, in most Asian countries every drugstore and convenience store already stocked masks, and most households already had a pile of them somewhere, before the pandemic started. E.g. in my house we never wore them day-to-day, but we did have a bunch in a drawer for when somebody catches a cold. As such, over here 100% mask coverage wasn't something that required ramp-up time or supply chain improvements, the capability was there to do it basically overnight.

farley3k wrote:

I don't know. I admit. It just feels too simple.

Also want to add: I'm hugely sympathetic, in the abstract I feel the same way. But all I can say is, Japan is relatively-speaking a success story, and the government here has done nothing. So my informal view is, either masks are ridiculously effective or else Asians are just genetically resistant to the virus, because I don't think there are any other variables in play.

fenomas wrote:
Chairman_Mao wrote:

People in Asia are so used to wearing masks that forgetting to wear one would almost be like forgetting to put underwear on.

Not sure I'd go that far (my friends and colleagues definitely forget their mask more than their underwear), but pretty close.

As far as you know.

muraii wrote:

As far as you know.

That's fair, I don't check their masks as often as I check their underwear.

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Chairman_Mao wrote:

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(I know it’s not the main point, but her total lack of trigger discipline is appalling.)

It looks like a still from a satirical zombie movie where the zombies are the good guys

A silver lining is that they are personal injury lawyers in the city. They were pointing guns and their customers. He is representing a guy that has been beaten by the police.

He just absolutely destroyed his client base.

Obviously, they have a ton of money and will be fine, but this was stupid on so many levels.

I wish I could post the stories I’ve been hearing from Teresa about him. They are batsh*t crazy. Teresa told me that in one of those close-up photos of the wife pointing the gun and screaming, she’s had to deal with that face. She was just pointing her finger in her face instead of a gun, but that is who she is.

Will there be charges? The video evidence (from what I've seen) implies that there wasn't any threat to their lives.

I am wondering if stand your ground applies here for the protesters. Is Missouri a stand your ground state?
Two agitated and manic middle aged people waving guns and pointing them at the crowd (with a finger on the trigger no less) is far more dangerous than a black teenager wearing a hoodie.

fangblackbone wrote:

I am wondering if stand your ground applies here for the protesters. Is Missouri a stand your ground state?
Two agitated and manic middle aged people waving guns and pointing them at the crowd (with a finger on the trigger no less) is far more dangerous than a black teenager wearing a hoodie.

Don't be ridiculous, those laws are for protecting White people.

IANAL, but I think stand your ground is something that would only come into play if they'd used force against someone and wanted to claim it was done in self-defense.

OTOH, various twitter lawyers were suggesting that the two are likely guilty of brandishing a firearm (if they actually get charged for it).

I’ve read articles that they will skate because it was private property, the protesters were trespassing and the Castle doctrine applies

It wasn't their property though right? I thought they went over onto the mayor's property?

NathanialG wrote:
fangblackbone wrote:

I am wondering if stand your ground applies here for the protesters. Is Missouri a stand your ground state?
Two agitated and manic middle aged people waving guns and pointing them at the crowd (with a finger on the trigger no less) is far more dangerous than a black teenager wearing a hoodie.

Don't be ridiculous, those laws are for protecting White people.

It is WAY more complicated than that in St. Louis. Kim Gardner is the circuit attorney, and she is locked in a major battle with the police union. Teresa is actually part of her defense for the lawsuits they keep filing on her.

Gardner has said publicly that she is considering charges, but I doubt it happens. But, it won’t be because she is protecting white people.

And seriously, you don’t practice personal injury law in the city of St. Louis if blacks do not trust you. And cases in the city are substantially more valuable than cases in the county for a variety of reasons.

All she has to do to punish him is to keep considering charges and keep it in the news.

It’s why I said the moment Krewson doxxed the people writing her to defund the police that it was going to get ugly. And Krewson was elected, in part, due to police union backing. She is tight with the union still, according to Teresa, who deals with those ramifications in her defense for Gardner.

fangblackbone wrote:

It wasn't their property though right? I thought they went over onto the mayor's property?

According to the news articles I have read, The subdivision they live in is a gated community. The roads are privately owned. The argument put forth is that the protesters broke down the gates and went onto the private road on the way to the mayor’s house (protesters said the gates were unlocked)

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