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If any of them spawn an extended discussion, please spawn it off into its own thread. Replies to non-picture replies should take the form of a link pointing to a post on a different discussion thread.

And I shouldn't have to say it, but the images still need to abide by the rules.

NSMike wrote:
SallyNasty wrote:

Badken isn't always right, but when he is right he is really right. Right now he is really right, right on.

BadKen wrote:

he is a freaking heroic beacon of truth, justice and the American Way compared to Donald Trump.

Gonna say nope, not right. Not right on.

He is a disaster of a human being of lesser proportions in comparison to Donald Trump.

Beacon of the American Way? Yeah, pretty much, unfortunately.

Beacon of truth and justice? F*ck no.

You're ignoring the bolded part of BadKen's quote, and that's the important part. Like it or lump it, "compared to Donald Trump" is where y'all are at with every comparison about presidential candidates. Every. Single. One. It sucks to watch, I'm sure it sucks more to be in it, but that's where US politics are right now.

I didn't ignore it. My second line still compares him to Trump. I don't agree that he approaches anything like what BadKen said, even in comparison to Trump.

DSGamer wrote:
gewy wrote:
Mixolyde wrote:
Tanglebones wrote:

LOL. https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/wa...

IDGAF about national polls. Show me the states that matter.

Case in point

Donald Trump Leads Joe Biden By Two Points Across Six Battleground States

The latest survey by Change Research and CNBC revealed that 47 percent of likely voters in Arizona, Florida, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin would back the commander-in-chief if an election were held the same day. By comparison, 45 percent told pollsters they would opt for former Vice President Biden.

Coooooooollllllll

At least a chunk of Michigan Trump voters will die of COVID-19 before November because of their idiotic %^$^$* protest gatherings in Lansing.

NSMike isn't wrong. We can be upset that foreign meddling continues but the Dems also put creep back on the ticket. We talk a mean game but it shouldn't have been this way.

Most is also right that you can defend this but we shouldn't be stuck between hot turd and less evil hot turd.

If Democrats keep compromising their principles and beliefs I’m sure they’ll get their way eventually. /s

Something something incremental change

I wouldn't talk about Biden as if all Democrats compromised their beliefs to support him. He was performing terribly in the first few primaries until South Carolina came along. If anything, blame the other Democratic candidates who dropped out, giving all of the remaining primaries a pretty stark choice between a progressive guy who thought he could get the youth vote (got mine but I'm not youth) and wasn't great at convincing minorities he would fight for them, and an old-timey misogynist, who nevertheless was reassuringly familiar and actually knew how to get the minority vote. It put millions of D primary voters in an unfair position.

Most wrote:

Well, sure, Im not even sure we're really at cross purposes here. Its clear that if you want an improvement within the existing system, that senile sunglasses guy is the only option.
But for the life of me I can not understand why you are not razing that two parties bs to the ground. Objectively, it is much more important than say gay rights, abortion rights, sex equality etc. Because having multiple parties would give enormous power boost to each of those ideas instead of needing to convert more than half of population for each of those concepts.
So it really should be priority number one not some distant vague idea.

Because we have a first past the post, winner take all, system were whoever get's the biggest plurality wins. The Republicans are in lockstep with their evil. I'm sure everyone who post here would at the very least like to raze the GOP to the ground and salt the earth behind them, but their voters aren't going anywhere.

Most wrote:

"both sides are the same, you're being eaten by your government no matter you do, everything is futile." Is both effective tool for foreign disruptors while also *being absolutely true* and not seeing that actually speaks of huge blindness of priviledge. Which is fine and understandable, this forum is one of many social bubbles with median affinity above average, its not a condemnation, its a fact. But do also try to remember occasionally that in your country there are quite a lot of people for whom Biden and Trump are equally bad, especially of they dont care about the lofty human ideals stuff but only for the survival of their families. They are also most likely politically illiterate because what would exactly be the point of spending energy on that stuff?

No. Simply put, f*ck that. There is no f*cking world in which the two parties are the same and I get really tired of hearing it. Especially from people outside the U.S who seem to have only the most cursory surface level understand of how the U.S government works and the f*cking culture that shapes our politics.

Most wrote:

You react to Trump so nervously because him being in power impacts you suddenly in ways you could not have predicted. But for a poor schmuck being tyranized by his landlord and debt collectors knocking on the door and new health bills piling in the drawers...both Trump and Biden are *exactly the same* objectively. They might want to care about immigrant kids in cages but they are overworked and really being worried about their own kids being unfed. How many of us in this forum can claim such experience? My guess is - less than one in hundred.

Again..the f*k should i care about foreign country but the sad truth is that US influence projects itself across the globe and when you have finally selfcannibalized your systems to the point that scum like Trump can run amok your corridors of power, it starts to actually impact everyone else all around the globe.
And if Biden manages narrowly to beat Trump, he will do frickin nothing to stop another clown show coming to power four years later.
So excuse me for feeling bewildered, confused, amazed and friggin scared of America.

Objectively hua?
You know what, I'm going to stop here before I cross some line. I'm going to take a break from posting in D&D for a while. It's not worth the inevitable headache I get from the endless talking in circles and preemptive defeatism.

Democrats: "We're the reasonable ones, vote for us!"

Republicans: Slide to the Right

Democrats: "Uh oh..." slide a little to the right "Independents, look! We're sorta like them, too!"

Republicans Slide to the Right

Democratic Voters: "This is fine."

Leftist Voters: "Ah, f*ck, this isn't what we want, but if we don't vote for the Democrats, the other guys win."

At what point do the Leftist voters realize they can't afford to be the reliable pragmatic vote in this whole situation anymore?

Are they the largest voting bloc? No, probably not, but that doesn't mean the Democrats shouldn't have to work with them. Instead we keep getting the, "vote for us or you get them" line, and you know what? I may hate Trump and badly want him to lose, but what am I getting with a win? And I don't mean Biden. I mean a perpetuation of a broken system.

It's a hard sell, because there are too many people who are wringing their hands over not voting for the less-terrible thing. But it's hard not to think that the only way we prevent future Bidens is to wholesale, as a group, reject Biden.

Are both parties the same? Obviously not.

Is either party anything that I want? Obviously not.

Sure. Whatevs. Im not going to lose my sanity either over something like this. And I truly am not saying it in too snarky a mood.
But if you guys are going to be a global superpower, better get your house in order because we are also affected by them.
Your politics are not a domestic problem, they are a global one. I know that it feels that guy from pissant little country is intruding into a domestic dispute but your squabbles are waking up every household in the vicinity and setting the block on fire.

Sooo...I guess I got that out of my system, I had been a rather quiet lurker the last year and there was lots of steam aggregated in mah brain pipes. Sorry for rubbing some of you folks the wrong way and being a bit of a dicky richard. I guess Im getting a bit angsty angry with years and a bit more of a molotov cocktail guy than I was when I was younger and had more faith in humanity and systems.
Time to throw some smoke bombs and whoosh away from the slippery P&C, back to the safety of games, tv shows and books.

I can't believe it's already June. Man, how time flies.

OG_slinger wrote:

I can't believe it's already June. Man, how time flies.

Yeah, well.

There's an old bit that shows up in cartoons where a character discovers a leaky dam and plugs the hole with their finger. Then the dam sprouts a new leak, and the character ends up using increasingly absurd methods of using their body parts to plug the new leaks until the dam breaks anyway.

Shutter one outlet and things are gonna pop up elsewhere. It's not like we're suddenly not interested in talking about it.

Also, to be fair, someone posted a meme and a bunch of GWJers jumped him and essentially said he was aiding and abetting Russian treachery.

I’m not sure why it’s surprising that got a response.

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Yeah, don't know if that's so much controversial as it is terrifying.

Gremlin wrote:

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What sucks here is I am at the very bottom of that red line where my company decided now, of all the f*cking time in f*cking history, would be a good idea to cut a business off and lay off folks. They sold us down niagra falls naked.

Thanks, company. You greedy pricks. We were at the verge of fixing your mistake of a company but instead you decided to f*ck us all and then make money off of it. Hope you rot!

Somehow this was the wrong thread See DS2 thread instead.

Edit: Oh my God, never mind. I gotta stop doing this. Maybe the mods can show mercy on me and lock me out of P&C, too.

Oh, ffs, Mike, way to edit my message and take it completely out of context.

Do you think I'm some kind of Joe Biden fan?

I said:

"Biden is the worst candidate to be running"
"Biden is very likely to be a crappy, or at best mediocre, president"
"as unfortunate as Joe Biden is, and he is pretty unfortunate"

Don't you dare f*cking paint me as a Joe Biden cheerleader. The part of my message that you quoted was in no way meant to be taken seriously. It was extreme exaggeration intended to provide stark contrast with the bozo he is running against. Because who knows what another four years of Trump is going to do to this country. Can you see the future enough to claim that this country won't end up in a place that makes Biden, as awful as he is, seem like Franklin Delano f*cking Roosevelt?

We have two choices in November: Biden and Trump. We have one choice that doesn't turn the country into an apocalyptic hellscape from which there is no recovery ever.

I am f*cking furious right now and in serious need of a break from willful misrepresentation of my comments.

I may have quoted only part of it, but I think I made clear how I feel about Biden. As much of a bottom-scraping effort your comments were to find a bright side to voting Biden, it was more positive than I'd be.

Hyperbole, maybe. But still saying "swallow your pride and vote for the one we all know is better."

I don't think he's qualitatively better. I don't think he's equal, but I don't think he's better. You do. That's that.

In short, you may feel misrepresented, but you were just a springboard for making the point I wanted to make.

Zona wrote:
Most wrote:

Well, sure, Im not even sure we're really at cross purposes here. Its clear that if you want an improvement within the existing system, that senile sunglasses guy is the only option.
But for the life of me I can not understand why you are not razing that two parties bs to the ground. Objectively, it is much more important than say gay rights, abortion rights, sex equality etc. Because having multiple parties would give enormous power boost to each of those ideas instead of needing to convert more than half of population for each of those concepts.
So it really should be priority number one not some distant vague idea.

Because we have a first past the post, winner take all, system were whoever get's the biggest plurality wins. The Republicans are in lockstep with their evil. I'm sure everyone who post here would at the very least like to raze the GOP to the ground and salt the earth behind them, but their voters aren't going anywhere.

Ranked Choice Voting is achievable, we've got it (mostly) up and running here. Republicans will fight it tooth and nail, but they were already going to fight anything the Democrats try to do anyways, so you may as well make the fight about making actual progress and not just maintaining a demonstrably broken system.

I don't understand how anyone could possibly say they don't think Biden is better than Trump. It is just inconceivable to me. No, he isn't great, and a lot of things will go back to the status quo. Compared to Trump though the status quo is amazing.

I do agree the Democrats consistently fail at explaining why someone should vote for them other than "you don't want the other guy do you?". The Republican propaganda machine has always been more effective.

To paraphrase something I saw on Twitter a while back:

Joe Biden spent 8 years working for and closely with a black man who's smarter than him. He spent a lot of time working around and with a lot of smart black men and women. There aren't a lot of powerful old white dudes who have that perspective.

I'll add: Donald Trump certainly doesn't.

If that doesn't count as "objectively better" then I don't know what does.

Vargen wrote:

To paraphrase something I saw on Twitter a while back:

Joe Biden spent 8 years working for and closely with a black man who's smarter than him. He spent a lot of time working around and with a lot of smart black men and women. There aren't a lot of powerful old white dudes who have that perspective.

I'll add: Donald Trump certainly doesn't.

If that doesn't count as "objectively better" then I don't know what does.

Because this isn't objective. It's sentimentality. And a perspective of the Obama administration that I can't possibly share. It wasn't as dreadful, but it wasn't good, either.

NSMike wrote:
Democrats: "We're the reasonable ones, vote for us!"

Republicans: Slide to the Right

Democrats: "Uh oh..." slide a little to the right "Independents, look! We're sorta like them, too!"

Republicans Slide to the Right

Democratic Voters: "This is fine."

Leftist Voters: "Ah, f*ck, this isn't what we want, but if we don't vote for the Democrats, the other guys win."

At what point do the Leftist voters realize they can't afford to be the reliable pragmatic vote in this whole situation anymore?

Are they the largest voting bloc? No, probably not, but that doesn't mean the Democrats shouldn't have to work with them. Instead we keep getting the, "vote for us or you get them" line, and you know what? I may hate Trump and badly want him to lose, but what am I getting with a win? And I don't mean Biden. I mean a perpetuation of a broken system.

It's a hard sell, because there are too many people who are wringing their hands over not voting for the less-terrible thing. But it's hard not to think that the only way we prevent future Bidens is to wholesale, as a group, reject Biden.

Are both parties the same? Obviously not.

Is either party anything that I want? Obviously not.

Your naive belief that future Bidens or Trumps can be prevented is kind of charming.

Your fatalistic view that it can't isn't.

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NSMike wrote:

I don't think he's qualitatively better. I don't think he's equal, but I don't think he's better.

There are only three choices here: better, equal, and worse. If you don’t think Biden is better than Trump, and you don’t think Biden is equal to Trump, are you saying Biden is worse than Trump?

I reject that premise. Why is "not better than" the same as "equal"?

NSMike wrote:

I reject that premise. Why is "not better than" the same as "equal"?

I didn’t say it was. You said “I don’t think he’s equal, but I don’t think he’s better”. The only option left is worse.

Chumpy_McChump wrote:
NSMike wrote:

I reject that premise. Why is "not better than" the same as "equal"?

I didn’t say it was. You said “I don’t think he’s equal, but I don’t think he’s better”. The only option left is worse.

Once again, that there are these three choices and only these three is your premise, not mine.