Gamers who play musical instruments

So, quick question! Since I won't be able to see my teacher for another 6 weeks after my next lesson, I'm thinking about buying a book on guitar. Any suggestions? I'm going to ask him too, but I figured I'd gather a few opinions as well

I would forego the book, and just use the Justin Guitar website and YouTube.

What specifically are you looking to learn? I might have a better answer for you if I knew.

Mostly metal, but I enjoy playing classical and honestly just want to learn everything I can. (I know that's not a helpful answer).

That's not the first time I've seen someone recommend that website. I'll get stuck into it.

A_Unicycle wrote:

So, quick question! Since I won't be able to see my teacher for another 6 weeks after my next lesson, I'm thinking about buying a book on guitar. Any suggestions? I'm going to ask him too, but I figured I'd gather a few opinions as well

I agree with RawkGWJ, at this point online videos would probably be more useful. Books are great for showing you what do to, but not how to do it. Unless it's a book your teacher recommends as having music of the right difficulty and complexity for you, I'd avoid just jumping in blind. Websites like justinguitar.com are great because they show you the how, which is what you really need when you're starting out.

Now that said, I would absolutely ask your teacher for some material to work on over the holidays.

Boudreaux wrote:
A_Unicycle wrote:

So, quick question! Since I won't be able to see my teacher for another 6 weeks after my next lesson, I'm thinking about buying a book on guitar. Any suggestions? I'm going to ask him too, but I figured I'd gather a few opinions as well

I agree with RawkGWJ, at this point online videos would probably be more useful. Books are great for showing you what do to, but not how to do it. Unless it's a book your teacher recommends as having music of the right difficulty and complexity for you, I'd avoid just jumping in blind. Websites like justinguitar.com are great because they show you the how, which is what you really need when you're starting out.

Now that said, I would absolutely ask your teacher for some material to work on over the holidays.

I find that the combination of sheet music and online videos is really powerful. If you don't know how to sightread music, that should absolutely be your first real task. Ear-playing only is a serious impediment to your musical progress.

Paleocon wrote:
Boudreaux wrote:
A_Unicycle wrote:

So, quick question! Since I won't be able to see my teacher for another 6 weeks after my next lesson, I'm thinking about buying a book on guitar. Any suggestions? I'm going to ask him too, but I figured I'd gather a few opinions as well

I agree with RawkGWJ, at this point online videos would probably be more useful. Books are great for showing you what do to, but not how to do it. Unless it's a book your teacher recommends as having music of the right difficulty and complexity for you, I'd avoid just jumping in blind. Websites like justinguitar.com are great because they show you the how, which is what you really need when you're starting out.

Now that said, I would absolutely ask your teacher for some material to work on over the holidays.

I find that the combination of sheet music and online videos is really powerful. If you don't know how to sightread music, that should absolutely be your first real task. Ear-playing only is a serious impediment to your musical progress.

Unless you’re playing Spanish style classical guitar, reading sheet music is really unnecessary. If you want to learn to read sheet music, then by all means do it. With rock guitar, you probably should learn TAB. Internet TAB is messy and hard to follow, but it’s well worth learning. There are nearly infinite resources for internet TAB. Sadly though not all internet TABs are accurate.

RawkGWJ wrote:
Paleocon wrote:
Boudreaux wrote:
A_Unicycle wrote:

So, quick question! Since I won't be able to see my teacher for another 6 weeks after my next lesson, I'm thinking about buying a book on guitar. Any suggestions? I'm going to ask him too, but I figured I'd gather a few opinions as well

I agree with RawkGWJ, at this point online videos would probably be more useful. Books are great for showing you what do to, but not how to do it. Unless it's a book your teacher recommends as having music of the right difficulty and complexity for you, I'd avoid just jumping in blind. Websites like justinguitar.com are great because they show you the how, which is what you really need when you're starting out.

Now that said, I would absolutely ask your teacher for some material to work on over the holidays.

I find that the combination of sheet music and online videos is really powerful. If you don't know how to sightread music, that should absolutely be your first real task. Ear-playing only is a serious impediment to your musical progress.

Unless you’re playing Spanish style classical guitar, reading sheet music is really unnecessary. If you want to learn to read sheet music, then by all means do it. With rock guitar, you probably should learn TAB. Internet TAB is messy and hard to follow, but it’s well worth learning. There are nearly infinite resources for internet TAB. Sadly though not all internet TABs are accurate.

Is there another reason to learn guitar?

Rock guitar is mostly just 3 chord stuff anyway.

I found this on YouTube. This channel seems to have tons of excellent lessons. I thought these two would be fun and not too difficult. Crazy Train and Wherever I May Roam.

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The YouTube channel is called GuitarLessons365.

RawkGWJ wrote:

Unless you’re playing Spanish style classical guitar, reading sheet music is really unnecessary. If you want to learn to read sheet music, then by all means do it. With rock guitar, you probably should learn TAB. Internet TAB is messy and hard to follow, but it’s well worth learning. There are nearly infinite resources for internet TAB. Sadly though not all internet TABs are accurate.

I'll take the middle road and say that while I find reading sheet music to be pretty unnecessary for most guitar styles, having some music theory under your belt is still great. Knowing the relative minors and majors, knowing what things like 7th and augmented chords really consist of, and understanding intervals and how they relate to the guitar neck is all pretty useful stuff. Reading tab and such is all ok for just playing along but if you want to play with people, getting a sense of how to do things like transpose on the fly and improvise on scales is really important.

Paleocon wrote:
RawkGWJ wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

I find that the combination of sheet music and online videos is really powerful. If you don't know how to sightread music, that should absolutely be your first real task. Ear-playing only is a serious impediment to your musical progress.

Unless you’re playing Spanish style classical guitar, reading sheet music is really unnecessary. If you want to learn to read sheet music, then by all means do it. With rock guitar, you probably should learn TAB. Internet TAB is messy and hard to follow, but it’s well worth learning. There are nearly infinite resources for internet TAB. Sadly though not all internet TABs are accurate.

Is there another reason to learn guitar?

Rock guitar is mostly just 3 chord stuff anyway.

I feel like this is a good discussion. Please don't take offence, but I would like to respectfully disagree about learning to read sheet music, unless you're talking about TABlature notation.

If I may be so bold, I would suggest that the most important thing to learn first is the note names on the fretboard of the guitar. This is really important for communicating with other musicians. Especially a teacher. In the quest for learning music theory on guitar, it's vital.

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RawkGWJ wrote:

If I may be so bold, I would suggest that the most important thing to learn first is the note names on the fretboard of the guitar. This is really important for communicating with other musicians. Especially a teacher. In the quest for learning music theory on guitar, it's vital.

To add to this since he's interested in rock is how to transpose chords into their power chord equivalents.

Really interesting discussion, thanks for all the wise words! Those videos are very thorough (although maybe a bit too simple for my current skill-level :P), I'll have a look through the channel for anything appropriate.

My main interest right now is finally learning the theory I ignored years ago. Reading sheet music isn't quite my main focus at the moment, but I definitely want to know the notes I'm playing! I'll follow the above video and work on naming the notes on the fret-board as priority.

Is there another reason to learn guitar?

Rock guitar is mostly just 3 chord stuff anyway.

Lol, I can partly agree. I actually really want to learn a little Spanish guitar! I've got a nice enough nylon string classical guitar here which I love fiddling around with. I often take breaks to work on stuff like Classical Gas and various videogame arrangements (poorly) when I'm sick of powerchords

My personal opinion is that every musician should at least learn how to read music and understand chords, scales and intervals, but most don't need to sight-read.

Yeah, but only if that interests them. It’s not necessary. My friend Jason is such a ripping blues guitarist. He’s better than I’ll ever be. He can tell you everything about blues music. If I name any blues standard he can play it instantly.

He can’t talk theory too much. But he doesn’t need to and it doesn’t interest him.

So, update! Looks like in the 6-weeks between terms I've got homework. Each week, teacher wants me to learn each time a note appears on the fretboard. So, week 1 I teach myself where all the Es are, week 2, all the As, and so on and so forth.

I'm actually surprised how easy he made it for me. I learned how to find octaves based on any note (and now I can mostly do it by feel). He also showed me how everything sort of "resets" at the 12th fret, which halves the amount of positions I have to learn (sort of?).

So tonight I found all the Es I could, then loaded up a diagram to make sure I got them all. As a total theory rookie, I'm feeling really great about how quickly I picked that up.

Still bummed that I have to wait six weeks, but damnit, I'm going to impress teacher when I return.

Get a friend to drill you. You can make flash cards so it’s easier for them. Example:

Play an E on the A string
C on the B string
B flat on the E string

Once you master that, start learning triads on different string sets. This is quite tricky. It will take a lot of practice. Learn the 2 inversion shapes, as well as the normal shape, for each string set. This is some real ish.

Example:
Strings GBE play a G major triad
DGB - F# minor
EAD - C major 2nd inversion
Etc...

Here’s another drill. Stay between frets 3 and 6 on the neck. Don’t let your hand leave this zone.

Play me a C major
B flat minor
E minor
Etc...

This will take a long time to learn and master. Be patient with yourself. It’s probably the most valuable thing I ever learned on guitar. You will have an incredibly deep knowledge of your chosen musical instrument once you get this skill in your toolbox.

Had a breakthrough moment today. I was jamming out to a song from one of my favourite bands, just fiddling with my amp settings to get the sound right. I yelled out to my girlfriend "Hey, does this setting sound like Type O Negative?"

And very confused, a reply came back "What? You're playing guitar? I thought you were just listening to music."

Guess I've nailed the song

Haha! Awesome, A_Unicycle!

I had my first new guitar lesson for the year, with a relieving teacher for the day, and he got me doing some lead improvisation over the 12 bar blues I've been learning. It turned out to be both something I could do, and quite fun! I've been pointed at youtube "play along" videos to practice that some more.

A_Unicycle wrote:

Had a breakthrough moment today. I was jamming out to a song from one of my favourite bands, just fiddling with my amp settings to get the sound right. I yelled out to my girlfriend "Hey, does this setting sound like Type O Negative?"

And very confused, a reply came back "What? You're playing guitar? I thought you were just listening to music."

Guess I've nailed the song

The boy who cried "i need a transfusion".

Paleo,
I started buying the parts for the travel/backpack uke. I'd have bought 2 of everything but shipping is killing me. Buying from cbgitty.com. They have everything. Just the Chicago bolts and wood I need to get.

I'll take pics once I start the build. Probably wont be until later in the spring. I need to find someone with the power tools.

groan wrote:

Paleo,
I started buying the parts for the travel/backpack uke. I'd have bought 2 of everything but shipping is killing me. Buying from cbgitty.com. They have everything. Just the Chicago bolts and wood I need to get.

I'll take pics once I start the build. Probably wont be until later in the spring. I need to find someone with the power tools.

Wow.

I am sitting at gate a8 right now at rdu airport wishing I had a travel uke on me.

I’ve been working on the kiyosaki arrangement of girl from ipanema, so I could use the practice.

Paleocon wrote:
groan wrote:

Paleo,
I started buying the parts for the travel/backpack uke. I'd have bought 2 of everything but shipping is killing me. Buying from cbgitty.com. They have everything. Just the Chicago bolts and wood I need to get.

I'll take pics once I start the build. Probably wont be until later in the spring. I need to find someone with the power tools.

Wow.

I am sitting at gate a8 right now at rdu airport wishing I had a travel uke on me.

I’ve been working on the kiyosaki arrangement of girl from ipanema, so I could use the practice.

Now when anyone types "wow" i immediately hear it like Owen Wilson.

Getting my wood from here

I'm starting to feel unsure of my music teacher. I really like him, we get along well, he likes the music I like etc.

But every lesson starts with "what do you want to learn?" "What did I teach you last week". As much as I explain I don't know what I want to learn because I don't know anything other than what I've been taught, it's the same thing each time. He might show me a little lick, or teach me a scale, but there's no real sense of progression.

Is that normal? I assumed most tutors would have a rough class outline or schedule. I understand he likely sees a lot of people, but to not even remember what he taught me last week seems a bit unprofessional.

I'm considering finding someone else.

Edit: Despite this, I have learned a lot, even if I had to tease it out of him. I've learned all of the pentatonic box positions up and down the fretboard, allowing me to improvise over any backing track (provided it's in e minor...) and I finally feel like I'm playing guitar, not just copying other people. I can also bend now! Hurray!

I used to teach guitar in a music school a long time ago. Each teacher there had their own approach, but generally speaking the better teachers usually had a loose program, with flexibility to suit the individual student. I never personally knew any with a strict program or a set program, though I know there are some out there.

Having said all that, the fact that your teacher has no direction at all and doesn't even remember what you did last week is a major red flag and I'd start looking elsewhere.

My guitar guru, Jon Sosin, was always pushing me to expand my horizons. I was lucky to find him.

If you give me a sample of some of the newest stuff you’ve learned, I could suggest a couple of concepts to explore.

My teacher asks me what we are aiming for. For a while that was my grade 4 exam, but my schedule really isn't up to that. So now i'm working on making sure that my pieces for band are in a good shape for our concert. after that i'll move back to exams maybe!

dibs,
What school do you play for? And what’s your instrument? You’ve probably already given that info, but I’ve not been in the forums here recently.

@paleocon

Still havn't pieced together the wodden travel uke, so I'm printing one

So far. Waiting for my endpin. The one I have doesn't work in this build.
From this model:
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:27...

IMAGE(https://i.imgur.com/92SuJkR.jpg)

Cool. Let me know how it goes

Annoyed to find one of my acoustic guitars damaged with a hairline crack between the bridge and the base. I hear it is easy enough to get fixed around town but sad to see. Damaged before it got solid use. Pretty sure it was from heat or a fall during our move in spite of being super careful with the instrument moving.